Q4BP: Attempted to calmly explain TRP to someone working in mental health advocacy on another site; told me I need intensive therapy. Why is the dehumanisation of women (indeed people) so threatening to you, why can you not accept our general behavioural model for all people?

scrantonic1ty · 2015-09-20T07:22:42+00:00

Xemnas, with all due respect you're legit mentally ill, you need some kind of treatment whether you subscribe to TRP or not.

Xemnas81 · 2015-09-20T05:33:17+00:00

honestly, it doesn't sound like you tried to explain this calmly; it sounds like you asked for help and gave the impression you were seeking advice, and then argued with anyone who responded to you. i wouldn't be surprised if that's part of what cut those conversations short.

but aside from that, i agree with their general response: professional help is in order, and reddit/the internet isn't really the most suitable place to go looking for it (certainly not the red pill, as you yourself have cited that as one of the sources of your problems).

sleuthoftrades · 2015-09-20T04:45:22+00:00

You're trying a lot of things, so you might as well try professional therapy as well.

wuboo · 2015-09-20T07:42:26+00:00

Basically I admitted to another website that my mental health was affecting my dating chances. Tl;dr "I know women want high status men or men demonstrating high value, my conditions make me do the opposite often, will I be foerveralone?"

Dude, even if you had high value or status or SMV, having poor mental health is going to be a major detractor for pretty much anyone. This is one of those cases where you need to be able to clear the absolute lowest bar first, which is taking care of your mental well being. It's liking worrying over whether or not you can hit a bullseye with an arrow at 60 yards when you can't even draw the bow. Normally it's ok to talk about the next steps but only focusing on that is getting you nowhere.

The outside world is threatened by Redpillers and those with my thought patterns. TBP, why do I keep receiving cop-outs like this? They basically just gave up on convincing me of anything other than a shoddy feminist argument…

That is because the fundamentals as each side sees it are completely different. It's analogous to the issues surrounding pro-choice vs pro-life - the arguments get nowhere because what they see as the root problem aren't the same.

Why can you not accept our general behavioural model for all people?

All models are wrong but some are useful. It's not useful for people who already have social skills and it's not useful for people who deal with only segments of the population.

Why is the dehumanisation of women (indeed people) so threatening to you?

Psych experiments have suggested that dehumanization can lead reasonable and rational people to do terrible things to others.

From a cultural perspective, it's literally engrained in most kids growing up in the U.S. that dehumanization corresponded to some of the worst acts in history - Holocaust, slavery, Unit 731, etc. and in more recent years, the treatment of ethnic minorities and the resulting civil rights movements. Don't be so shocked at the reaction you get.

Amethhyst · 2015-09-20T14:11:23+00:00

When you said 'explained it calmly', do you actually mean you explained your view calmly, or do you mean you tried to foist your views down this person's throat as 'the truth', and get pissed off when they didn't agree with you?

prodigy2throw · 2015-09-20T05:18:24+00:00

For real, you got some issues you need to sort out. Maybe posting and reading online forums, including TRP, isn't the best thing for you right now.

Some of the realizations you find on trp are hard to swallow. If you have mental issues you may not be able to handle all this shit right now. Take a break, get healthy and then come back. Sexual strategy shouldn't be your main priority right now. I don't know how nobody hasn't told you this before yet

Xemnas81 · 2015-09-20T12:05:49+00:00

People aren't telling you you need therapy because of TRP.

People are telling you you need therapy because of what you write.

Basically I admitted to another website that my mental health was affecting my dating chances.

Right there. You admitted your mental health was affecting your dating chances -> Advice is to get mental health help.

treebog · 2015-09-20T11:46:24+00:00

Shaming tactics: Anybody who believes all this must have 'serious issues' or be a 'bitter virgin'. I actually take less offence to the latter than the former. I do have issues, but debating some views which I acknowledge as prejudiced does not fall under mental illness for me.

OK let's say you meet a rad-fem who says. Men are rapists and violent creatures. Would you try and explain to her that it is not true? I personally wouldn't. It would be pointless to have an argument with someone in that state of mind.

People tell you to see a therapist because your mindset is not going to change with an argument or debate. They aren't trying to be mean, it is literally the best way to handle the situation.

dragoness_leclerq · 2015-09-20T19:06:54+00:00

The real question is, did you get a fucking diagnosis yet??

Xemnas81 · 2015-09-20T04:56:56+00:00

I know women want high status men or men demonstrating high value, my conditions make me do the opposite often, will I be foerveralone?

You sound like an obese woman complaining that she will never be loved because she is not a Victoria Secret model.

Most men will date women who aren't extremely thin. Most women will date men who do not have high value. An obese women can lose weight and become a "chubby but cute" type who has a chance.

Your goal should be to improve and not give up just because you wouldn't be able to be a part of the top 10 percentile of the SMV rank.

Xemnas81 · 2015-09-20T18:45:03+00:00

Man why can't you forget about this stuff for now and work on yourself first ? You said many times that you have mental issues and you need therapy , why not focus on this for now ?

Also , you're only describing things from your point of view , I don't know how you expressed your beliefs and what exactly was told in your conversations. In many of your threads here you come across as very angry and distressed , maybe this was shown so people told you to calm down and stop thinking about this stuff .

NightwingTRP · 2015-09-20T08:33:07+00:00

"Forget dating, get better, go to therapy to get rid of toxic beliefs like 'women only date men of high status' then you can go back to it"

Ironically, this is similar advice to what RP would give. If something like bad posture is holding you back when you're out in the field... go fix that first. It's why Monk Mode is a typical first move for the majority of men who join TRP.

Also, don't try to convince the plugged in. Denial is the first stage... you clearly have more important things to do bro.

ReddishBlack · 2015-09-20T15:00:50+00:00

Both sides, you and the people you speak with, make valid points. They aren't familiar with evo psych based philosophy though so you are somewhat blindsiding them, which is not in the spirit of generous debate.

They are correct about beliefs manifesting your experience of the world, you are overladen with ruminative ideologies to the point of social dysfunction.

I'd prescribe forgetting about the debate, going on an information diet, and engage with the world with the attitude of disproving your beliefs, rather than confirming them. You will show yourself new possibilities, and realize that TRP is worst case scenario, and does not account for people who choose to manage their primitive instincts using their rational minds.

Xemnas81 · 2015-09-20T16:36:08+00:00

Just going to mention here that the way you mention TRP concepts to people is going to seem covert or secretive to them, as if you believe women are running some sort of a conspiracy. If you want a more valid response, you have to mention it in a more subtle way.

About Hypergamy, you could instead ask: "Given a choice of men, I believe that women will always choose the most attractive man. What do you say?"

taiboworks · 2015-09-20T12:11:43+00:00

Why is the dehumanisation of women (indeed people) so threatening to you

it's associated with npd/aspd - https://books.google.com/books?id=SFnMUZFqtnIC&pg=PA326&lpg=PA326&dq=dehumanization+narcissism&source=bl&ots=ORpnXcquQQ&sig=NbwO45at2cG--jArZxthrscSPOE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CE0Q6AEwCGoVChMIlPqjtcmFyAIVQSUeCh0wbwlj#v=onepage&q=dehumanization%20narcissism&f=false
http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/klocke/publications/2009%20locke%20JRP.pdf

why can you not accept our general behavioural model for all people?

for the same reason you don't accept behavioral models you don't think are accurate/true.

[deleted] · 2015-09-21T15:25:05+00:00

I met 2 people who responded. Person 1: Trans-gender rad-fem, mid-late 20s

Well, this is the sort of person who is willing to debate dumb things on the internet.

cloudstryfe · 2015-09-22T00:50:01+00:00

I didn't come here to contribute at all. I'm just here to say props for the kingdom hearts references in your username here and on tsr

[deleted] · 2015-09-21T06:17:55+00:00

You are trying to use logic on people who don't even use their brains to think.

You will only get frustrated if you keep doing that.

Carkudo · 2015-09-20T05:15:19+00:00

Dude, someone who suggests therapy in order to attack or punish you, and even seems to imply that therapy is punishment, is a complete twat and doesn't warrant your attention.

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