Am I part of a Silent Majority?

littleyellowpills · 2015-08-20T18:36:08+00:00

In a word, yes. It's easy to forget what an extreme fringe group TRP is if it forms a large part of your information diet. They take a few accurate observations and put a uniquely bitter and misanthropic twist on them. Please consider leaving TRP before you become bitter and misanthropic as well.

All of the good parts of TRP you mentioned are things that the wider society (and most of TBP) agrees with them on. The only unique thing that TRP adds is the misanthropy.

wtknight · 2015-08-20T20:04:06+00:00

There are lots of men who are successful with women without employing Red Pill strategies. TRP is the equivalent to me of being fat and deciding that you need to go on a diet and the way you do it is by fasting. It's an extreme solution that isn't very healthy, but in the end you'll get some kind of result and at least you won't be fat anymore. Likewise, TRP will get you some women, the ones who fall for the fake confidence, pseudo-alpha spiel, but it's probably not the healthiest way to go. If you know how to use self-improvement and caution about women in moderation, you'll be much more successful than going full Red Pill, in my opinion. The problem is that it leaves you more potentially emotionally vulnerable, and vulnerability is something TRP attempts to minimize as much as possible (to their detriment, in my opinion). However, I'll agree with TRP in that if you are not successful at finding relationships or sex, you need to change and improve something about yourself because nobody is going to be attracted to you just for being "nice" unless you look like a male model.

alcockell · 2015-08-20T20:26:57+00:00

I've come here before saying that I support the idea of people improving themselves, and getting results in things that they desire. Yes, working out and being successful can lead to more confidence, and with that, better opportunities with relationships.

The thing is though, that itself is not a TRP exclusive philosophy. You can find this very ideal suggested on sites for women, people who just broke up, people with depression, and so on. Taking care of yourself, and loving yourself for who you are, is a good life choice.

Somewhere, it seems to me at least, TRP took this idea, which is good at its core, and attached a score board to it. So now many TRP's on Reddit feels that their posts have to begin with "lifting" and "plates" and about six acronyms before the topic is reached, and instead of getting positive reinforcement or advice, the commenters work to villainize the OP's issues and leave him as the protagonist. This is then amplified by Reddit's tendency to be an echo chamber, and complexes develop.

[deleted] · 2015-08-20T19:30:24+00:00

does anyone else thing that TheRedPill has a lot of good ideas, but is always crazy nutty in a lot of areas.

I try to look at it from a more big picture point of view while realizing that any school of thought or philosophy might have its share of "crazy nutty."

As a point of comparison, one might look at the environmental movement and find sane conservationists with moderate views, and then there are those who are more radical and might be considered "crazy nutty." It doesn't mean that environmentalism overall is bad, but you just have to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

bonerdude420 · 2015-08-21T02:04:43+00:00

Im with you, OP. And the more i read trp the more i feel it is self help for autists. A couple examples in this thread

nicetryprolapse · 2015-08-20T17:36:36+00:00

I just assume RP men have terrible mothers. Which would explain their backwards take on women. The funny thing though is that it seems they are are drawn to women with daddy issues because they are easy to manipulate. So, you know, it's sad for all involved.

[deleted] · 2015-08-20T18:31:23+00:00

TLDR: does anyone else thing that TheRedPill has a lot of good ideas, but is always crazy nutty in a lot of areas.

Totally. We also have a bunch of people who either

a) Don´t know what they´re talking about,

b) Are trying to hard to be "alpha", thus ending up as assholes

or

c) are just plain trolls.

BaadKitteh · 2015-08-20T23:20:04+00:00

The things they get right are common sense. I'm part of your majority; I've said many times that *not being obsessed with getting laid (the "pussy pedestal") and being a person people want to be around are obviously good ideas. It's the disrespectful, demeaning, damn-near dehumanizing way terpers talk about women that makes them batshit crazy misogynists. It's their willingness to follow people like Roosh who openly and proudly admit to and advocate rape that make people look upon them with disgust.

[deleted] · 2015-08-20T17:31:52+00:00

What I really don't understand is the concept of being a jerk to a woman.

Shit interpretation

Will just live in a way to sexual society.

Lol

Note this is in Real Life

Fuckboys in the real life have nothing to do with TRP, nor does TRP advocate to be an insecure idiot while calling it "alpha". Being a more of a cheerleader is always better than trying to one-up other people it seems to me

Basically I never identify through a group. It's self-destructive behaviour.

You don't even understand the shit, what the fuck

GayLubeOil · 2015-08-20T17:23:03+00:00

Yes you are the silent majority. Silent isn't the correct word for it. The correct word is reasonable. Most men are like you which is to say: boring as fuck. Women don't want to fuck boring men. Girls just want to have fun.

I wrote an article about you its called: Men Without Faces

Dietyz · 2015-08-20T19:09:11+00:00

TRP doesn't really advocate being a jerk to women, you might look like a jerk to the woman because she isn't used to men stonewalling her but it isn't really "jerky" at all

For example, if you text back "k" women might call you a jerk, but that's just their selfish expectations. Or if you ignore a woman who is trying to gain something from you without giving you anything in return, she may think you are a jerk but this is totally fair.

TRP advocates teasing women, sure. You might be perceived as an asshole because she is used to desperate men but if you acted that same way towards a male friend no one would think anything of it.

Women don't like when men behave this way because women want you to show negative emotion so that they know you care, but not enough negative emotion that you become unattractive to them. So TRP comes off as attractive but also makes the woman a bit uncomfortable because she wants you to be emotional enough so that she knows she has some control over you and can trust you. So if you don't want to be controlled and you want to be as attractive as possible to all women, than trying to force out your emotions(in which you won't sugarcoat and they will be poorly articulated due to inexperience in this field) it will just make your life worse

Whisper · 2015-08-20T22:01:45+00:00

What I really don't understand is the concept of being a jerk to a woman.

Then stop yapping and test it.

Go meet two girls, separately. Be nice and sweet and compliant to one. Be a jerk to the other. See which one puts your penis in her mouth first.

Or you could sit here on reddit, sperging away about how you feeeeeeeeeeeeel about what you read on TRP, as if your feelings were interesting to anyone but you. Everyone is fascinating to themselves. But unless you work at it, you're boring as shit to everyone else.

I promise you I did not wake up this morning thinking "I wonder what /u/RoyRW thinks of TRP".

The reason why the silent majority is silent is that no one wants to hear what they have to say. Not even other members of the silent majority. What they have to say is fucking boring, because it's calculated to be nice. Which means agreeing with other people, not upsetting their preconceptions, blah blah blah.

What you have to say amounts to "Derp... uh... Me, too! I agree with all those other people."

Get this through that bowl of bland oatmeal you're using for a brain: Women would rather be offended than bored. (Men, too. )

Inoffensive is white bread. It's a Honda Civic. It's elevator music. It's a MacDonald's hamburger. It's a strip mall full of discount clothing stores. It's a job as assistant manager at Starbucks. It's a Thomas Kincaid painting. It's a retirement community full of old Jewish women playing canasta and complaining about their children's spouses.

If the best thing you can say about yourself is that you are inoffensive, then you are a waste of skin.

Please, offend me if you can. Tell me that Thomas Jefferson was a fascist. Drive a custom hot rod made in the shape of an enormous steel dildo. Write an article about how we should feed our dead relatives to pigs instead of burying them in cemeteries. Launch a concerted effort to breed domesticated raccoons. Put up a kickstarter page for an expedition to carve a giant happy face onto the moon. Start the Professional Wiffle Ball Bat Combat League.

Just don't softly snow boring, bland, unimaginative drivel on me. Don't sit there telling me how you agree with what other people have said six billion times before, and expect me to care because this time it's you saying it.

When you talk to someone, you are asking for their time and attention. At least repay them by making it a memorable experience.

blametheboogie · 2015-08-21T10:37:11+00:00

Some people just go overboard in everything they do. They can't just get a nice car they have to spend thousands customizing it. They can't just enjoy playing a game, they get obsessed and buy all of the collectors editions, novelizations, comics and toys.

Reddit is full of obsessive nerds, some of them are on trp.

Xemnas81 · 2015-08-21T18:22:19+00:00

Confidence is important

Useless, ethereal, transient concept. Ranges from my smiling through my chubby cheeks to acting like a goof ball on crack. Better explained empirically by Models and the Art of Seduction

it seems that joking around and not being too serious is what is important.

='being a jerk' in everything-is-misogyny land

Again this is what every PUA advocates. Nobody advocates straight up treating her like shit, below-the-belt quips, preying on insecurities etc. except the DTs who RP attracts (they're a different story)

putting a women on a pedestal.

sigh, that's the entire point of Game, negging, amused mastery, agree+amplify, DHV, nexting, 3 day rule, sexual moratorium etc.

One thing I have seen in the past that drives me fucking crazy, is when I see some dude trying desperately to act ALPHA. I've seen it happen a couple of times, and it is one of the most cringe worthy things I have ever seen. Acting Alpha seems to be basically trying to one-up all the men around you, commenting on how bad there handshakes are, trying to one-up gym stories. Just focusing on the other men rather then yourself!

That's not an Alpha that's a beta. An alpha doesn't say why he's alpha, people know it through his SMV, his actions and reactions. Alpha is what Alpha does.

bones_and_love · 2015-08-22T03:59:39+00:00

Pretty much act girls the same you would to your friends.

That means being a jerk. A lot of pretty women treat their male friends ways that those men would never tolerate out of another man.

Having self-respect, confidence, and an understanding that there are plenty of fish in the sea free that man from hopelessly following someone he loves for basically no reason. When he does that, it will translate into him not doing kind, good, and helpful things for someone that is not there for him in any way at all other than chilling. I'll make this a little clearer -- I'm not saying she has to have sex with him. I'm saying she's objectively a terrible friend with little loyalty and ability or willingness to help him in basically any situation. When he finally cuts her off as being a bad friend and for being uninterested in him romantically [either would have saved the relationship[, she will interpret that as him being an asshole.

CopperFox3c · 2015-08-20T19:23:40+00:00

What I really don't understand is the concept of being a jerk to a woman. Being a Jerk? Just because some frat boy is a jerk and gets girls doesn't mean that's some sort of hidden recipe to getting girls.

Who said anything about being a jerk. You maybe should read a little bit more TRP theory, cause I think you misunderstand some of it. Even going back to Pook 15 years ago, it was understood that it was not about being a jerk, rather it was about being a man unafraid of his testosterone.

Read this from the Book of Pook, may help: The Secret of the Jerk

speed3_freak · 2015-08-20T21:46:04+00:00

I think that most rp philosophy is solid, but a lot of the rp subscribers are pretty terrible. When you tease a girl, if she feels like you're being mean to her, you're doing it wrong. Being a jerk to people only attracts people with no self confidence. Why would I want to attract someone who doesn't like themselves?

Also, treat a girl like a friend if you want to be friends, treat them like you want to fuck them if you want to fuck them.

[deleted] · 2015-08-20T17:54:56+00:00

I am not a red pill extremist. And I disagree with most of what the red pillers say. As a guy who grew up friends with international male models, I came to learn that all that matters to women is how a guy looks, and confidence and charm and charisma mean nothing.

Oh, women will enjoy talking to you if you have those characteristics, but they won't put out at all, unless you look like one of the dudes from the German football national team. And even those guys had to be rich to bang their wives.

Now, women who are average(not fat/not ugly) are easier to bang, but you still need to be handsome or tall, and below average women? never seen one in my life, sorry, can't talk about it.

The rest of your post I agree with, except this. If you aren't hot you are just wasting time being funny/charming/treating her like one of the boys. It will not get you laid and it will get her in a good emotional mood, open for a wild Alpha to show up and bang her.

if you are not going to sleep with a woman: why make her feel good?

betterdeadthanbeta · 2015-08-20T20:52:13+00:00

Are you part of a silent majority? Considering you have nothing to say except judging/criticism of men, particularly weak men, the answer is probably yes. Human beings are notorious misandrists generally.

_lock_down_ · 2015-08-20T22:49:15+00:00

I feel like there are a couple of things to point out here. Your post is similar to a lot of posts from people who honestly just don't get it.

I keyed in on a couple of phrases you used like "it seems," "I'm divided", and " I feel." These are all terms used to justify a position. And in case you didn't know it, your position is that you're having a hard time "swallowing the pill."

The good news on that part is that you're not part of a silent majority. There are tons of subscribers here going through the same thing. There are even more of us who've been through it.

"No way. There's no way AWALT is true. I remember my high school sweet heart. She couldn't have possibly been like that at all."

"Pfft yeah right. My wife never acts that way. Sure she gets crazy sometimes but I just have to deal with that."

"Yeah so my ex cheated on me, but that doesn't mean all girls will."

Sound familiar? I guarantee those thoughts or similar ones have passed through your brain. As well they should. It's natural to defend a position from which you've based your whole life on.

The bad news? You've still got a long way to fall. There's going to be more realizations as you continue down this path (if you do.) You're going to get more angry and desperately cling to those old feelings and beliefs like they're air because without them you'd be nothing.

The truth is you will go through it and understand that you are more than you realized you were before it. You'll see the world with clarity and logic and realize that those feelings you used to hold onto so dearly did nothing but hold you back from your potential.

But hey. Don't take my word on it. Do you. But if you continue? I'd recommend reading the sidebar a bit more. Come back in a few months and let us know how it worked out for you.

Title	Am I part of a Silent Majority?
Author	RoyRW
Upvotes	9
Comments	68
Date	August 20, 2015 4:35 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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