Has feminism destroyed the Western Birth Rate and Western World?

wazzup987 · 2015-05-28T04:19:22+00:00

No, it due technology and wealth and affluence of the first world.

wuboo · 2015-05-28T02:49:43+00:00

Falling birth rates is something that happens in developed countries. Places like Singapore and Japan are seeing the same trends.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate#Developed_or_developing_countries

fundude1 · 2015-05-28T03:25:20+00:00

Because of feminism? No. I would guess that security and affluence reduce pressure to have (more) children, and feminism is possibly more likely to be promoted in such a "comfortable" environment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic-economic_paradox

max_peenor · 2015-05-28T12:44:51+00:00

Rationality destroys birth rates.

Honestly, how comes TRP is so adamant about it being a terrible choice for men to get married but at the same time think that falling birth rates are the work of ~~the devil~~ feminism and not just another rational choice.

latercrow · 2015-05-28T02:34:50+00:00

I don't fear the examples you brought up, but I do fear stuff like the quiverfull movement who are very explicit about trying to out-breed the world and doing it in an incredibly patriarchal way. Then again there are a significant amount of ex-quiverfull so the movement isn't that effective.

Also I don't think feminism is all about telling people not to have babies. I think lower birth rate is more about children being less useful to parents in developed countries.

triceratraps · 2015-05-28T02:26:04+00:00

yes viva mexico

haircombsnightmare · 2015-05-28T02:57:55+00:00

Describe Hispanics, and how you think they are.

iamyo · 2015-05-28T08:17:18+00:00

How are these societies 'defeating' the West?

fundude1 · 2015-05-28T10:52:19+00:00

It's just a result of contraception and abortion .

fundude1 · 2015-05-28T17:12:15+00:00

Except that the total fertility rate in Mexico is roughly the same as that in the US and Latin American culture is not as sexist as stereotypes imply.

Vornnash · 2015-05-28T04:40:24+00:00

Yes, I have posted extensively on this topic.

Ajaxeler · 2015-05-28T02:36:14+00:00

Lol this thread. The economy is the reason for low birth rate. All you gotta do is I don't know read the facts?

winndixie · 2015-05-28T15:10:16+00:00

Decadent and rich societies appear to turn feminist. In turn, they are quickly defeated by other patriarchal types of societies in a few generations.

This is very interesting to me, can you give me sources on how societies like that are defeated? I wouldn't consider Europe "defeated" by Islam yet.

SirNemesis · 2015-05-28T15:15:44+00:00

No. Female education has. Iran is perfectly patriarchal but 60% of its university students are female. It is struggling with low birth rates.

Women need to be barefoot, pregnant, and back in the kitchen - or bedroom :).

I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE · 2015-05-28T16:08:18+00:00

Oh FFS guys, nothing has been destroyed. The birth rate is fine. If it drops any, that's probably a good thing in the long run. This isn't a world crisis, it's a debate between the sexes about the bias of Law.

[deleted] · 2015-05-28T19:14:58+00:00

This is mostly among white people. They tend to be the most wealthy and therefore have fewer children. Well..except for the religious fundies.

fundude1 · 2015-05-28T19:46:48+00:00

For all the people claiming Islamic culture is "feminist" like the Western world hasn't watched much middle eastern TV.

Fortunately, I will post a few videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkWVdAfXbXI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ted-NxBbhng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4UF2Jq1xys

fundude1 · 2015-05-28T22:11:42+00:00

Another video confirming the changes going on in London and throughout the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgKMI1wV0ps

[deleted] · 2015-05-29T00:25:19+00:00

The Men of Westeros will be defeated by Tess Munster, who commands three Snackdragons and eight legions of Beta Unsullied.

wombatinaburrow · 2015-05-28T06:51:42+00:00

Quiverfull is a bad idea, even when you call it nationalism or racial pride.

Jet20 · 2015-05-28T11:36:01+00:00

I'd say it's probably more due to values shift away from family towards having a good time when you're young, but it's a bit of a big claim.

TheGreasyPole · 2015-05-28T07:53:57+00:00

I'd say no.

Feminism didn't cause the lower birth rate. Not unless in writing "feminism" you are spelling the word "contraception" very badly indeed.

[deleted] · 2015-05-28T09:09:30+00:00

There is a direct link. Women aren't worth marrying and having a nuclear family with anymore.

RedPill115 · 2015-05-28T20:20:38+00:00

Thomas Sowell explains here how the "wage gap" for women doing the same work / experience level / etc is a myth, but the "wage gap" in terms of the average woman earning less than the average man has exactly 1 factor - whether she got married:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo&feature=youtu.be&t=2m19s

In the western world feminism is a tool to push this - to keep women from getting attached, from getting married (and having kids). They promote scaring everyone about the opposite gender - promoting the message that women are in constant danger of being raped, and promoting the message to men that they should be scared of false rape accusations. When women find talking about sexy to be a turnoff, feminism tries to make talking about sex a legal requirement. They push the hating guys that are nice (just like the red pill does) - as that might cause a girl to fall in love or become attached to a guy. If you filter out anyone who's nice to her, into a "girls only date assholes" situation, it's a lot easier to make sure she doesn't get long term attached. It also causes the girls who really only want long term attachment to become turned off to the entire process - again accomplishing the same goal.

Here feminism is a big pusher of this, but in other places (like Japan) they seem to accomplish the same goal without feminism at all. But the end result is the same - keep women away from getting attached and getting married.

fundude1 · 2015-05-28T18:22:05+00:00

The poor and the religious will always breed more. It's how it is and how it's been since forever.

This appears to be happening in Europe with the rise of Islam and within America by the rise of "machismo" culture with Hispanics.

Have you ever picked up a Qu'ran, spoken to a Muslim man, or been inside the home of a Latin person? I'm going to guess by your responses here and your topic that no, you haven't. Let me shine a little light: the women in those cultures run the fucking show. In Islam, a man can have multiple wives only if he can give them the lifestyle that they want. A woman can divorce her husband if he's not providing her with the life she wants. A man's money goes straight into his wife's hands because she runs the finances. As for hispanics, same concept. The women run shit, the men are essentially figureheads.

Do you think the West will exist for another 1 to 2 generations without being taken over by a more patriarchal culture?

Absolutely. Humans assimilate into the culture they live in because that's how they adapt. Those who are not in the West want to live in the West. Why? Because they like the culture, because it has a system in place that generally works. Why do you think Europe has so many Arab immigrants? Because they want a better life and the only place they are going to find it is in the West. Trust me, we're not going to go anywhere unless third world countries become first world countries.

they are quickly defeated by other patriarchal types of societies in a few generations.

The US wouldn't hesitate to nuke anyone who is a threat to their soil, human rights be damned. Trust me, we'll be okay.

Title	Has feminism destroyed the Western Birth Rate and Western World?
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Date	May 28, 2015 2:25 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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