TRP: Who is more attractive to women: a physically attractive guy who acts beta or a physically unattractive guy who acts alpha?

despoticVeracity · 2015-05-28T00:58:46+00:00

Firstly, you've hit on a less spoken of point in TRP: beta actions are good for a relationship. Beta is comfort and security. It's money, cuddles and an emotional tampon. You need beta traits to have a relationship work. Otherwise she'll eventually leave, because she needs security. This is more spoken of in MRP.

Secondly, TRP cares about sex. For your former relationship, he had to 'top up' his poor sexual value with extra kindness to get sex. Even then, it was duty sex, not rip-your-clothes-off sex. This is why TRP bemoans beta traits for sex. Even if it works, both of you are less happy because he can tell you're doing it for him and you know you're not into it. The kindness isn't upping his SMV, because it doesn't add to the value of his sex. it just gets him sex, because you want the kindness to continue.

Thirdly, having an abundance of SMV means your new lay gets away with more. You inherently don't sweat the small stuff. You say this is because he's more attractive and could get a girl. But what if he were besotted with you and completely dependent? What if, despite his looks, he seemed incapable of leaving? In that case you would sweat the small stuff, because you can. In other words, the looks, confidence and power make a man attractive. The abundance mentality makes a man able to lever that attractiveness.

Fourthly, 'pretending' to have abundance through actions gives the impression that others are equally as interested, providing social proof by proxy. If your first reckoned he can get another chick easily and told you to walk, it would make him more attractive, but perhaps not attractive enough to raise his SMV high enough to keep you or make you actually attracted to him. This goes double if he just doesn't have the evidence (body/confidence) to back it up.

Finally, no doubt the two, body and attitude, are linked. Upping the body will in turn up the attitude. Upping the attitude will up the perception of the body. A great disparity won't work out either way. High body with low attitude will lead to an inability to leverage the increased attractiveness, and lower the attractiveness. Low body with high attitude will be hotter than a low body with low attitude, but still won't cut the mustard. Such a man will have to make up for the lack of attractiveness with labour and other services (beta).

[deleted] · 2015-05-27T22:49:24+00:00

Depends how beta/alpha and how physically (un)attractive.

cxj · 2015-05-27T23:02:45+00:00

Eh IDK, there may be some truth to this, but acting beta still carries long term consequences. For example, my Dad was very good looking in his day, which is likely why my mom picked him, but she treats him like shit in spite of him being the proverbial good man who works hard, is involved with the kids, does lots of housework, agrees with all her PC/feminist/leftist garbage, goes to church, etc.

buttlollipop · 2015-05-27T22:32:54+00:00

I basically 100% agree with you. TRP does advocate lifting but largely ignores that women care about looks almost as much as men do (they just ALSO care about other things, too, whereas apparently men are all about looks and nothing else- this makes women pickier than men).

I cannot for the life of me remember a guy who was physically attractive but too "nice" to arouse me. Usually when guys blame women not being interested in them on their being too "nice" they are either referring to a complete lack of backbone, or just not being physically attractive but thinking that being "nice" will earn them physically attractive women (which it won't).

Men like confident women too, but because attractive women tend to be confident, so confidence implies attractiveness (TRP will deny it, but it's true, lol). But no man is going to be aroused by an unattractive woman who goes around acting like she's the shit and purposefully being an asshole, whereas there are "bitchy" hot women who men still flock to, just because they're hot.

TheGreasyPole · 2015-05-27T23:03:36+00:00

Fuck if you don't take a red flair I'm going to shoot myself.

Tell me your already red because if you're not you just nailed the core of RP.

It's why "lift bro" is first, "be your ideal weight" is second, "groom and dress well" is third.... And everything else we do brings up the rear ;)

Don't get me wrong, all that other stuff adds value. Big time. But almost all of it only works if you're already well on the way with the first three.

It's why we advise low SMV guys to go into "monk mode" for a year. Get that SMV up, up, up... Then learn how to flirt, to be confident, to have the right attitudes.

They won't work in day 1 if you ain't already pretty decent. But given a year of monk mode ? Most guys can get the basis required, and the game can take it from there. Some can take it further than others, not everyone can spin plates. But almost anyone can get to the level of a satisfying LTR with a chick they dig.

Lift, bro.

SirNemesis · 2015-05-28T19:18:41+00:00

They are both attractive depending in how good looking vs charismatic they are. The good looking guy has alpha attributes through his looks and beta attributes through his behavior making him a highly desirable relationship prospect as well.

[deleted] · 2015-05-27T23:33:16+00:00

An attractive guy will almost always have leverage.

iamyo · 2015-05-28T04:48:35+00:00

Do people here all agree that men divide so neatly into Alphas and Betas?

despisedlove2 · 2015-05-28T01:13:55+00:00

Both. They serve different needs.

What women find physically attractive is heavily colored by what the man in question makes them feel like.

chasingstatues · 2015-05-28T03:15:13+00:00

Out of curiosity, how was your first boyfriend in bed (if that's not TMI to ask for)? At least, in comparison to your current boyfriend, regarding performance and your satisfaction, not looks.

[deleted] · 2015-05-28T12:22:39+00:00

A normal guy that is not a doormat neither dominant.

jintana · 2015-05-28T17:09:07+00:00

The former. I knew that about myself as young as 8 years old. The "hot" and coveted guy was nasty to me. I wanted the nerd. I could see having a primal reaction, but I'm personally sapiosexual.

[deleted] · 2015-05-28T17:22:22+00:00

A is more attractive to teenagers, B is more attractive to everyone else. IMO.

Title	TRP: Who is more attractive to women: a physically attractive guy who acts beta or a physically unattractive guy who acts alpha?
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Date	May 27, 2015 10:23 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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