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How's Mark Mansons Models "Vulnerability" in par with trp?

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January 1, 2020

So I'm curious in trying to understand the things Mark is writing in his book. When he's talking about vulnerability he explicitly said its very important to start getting vulnerable. He said its not beta to tell the girl you're dating or about to fuck what you feel, what anxiety you got and all the things to open up to a girl. I get this and it makes sense, but on the other side, how is this not a beta trait when im meeting a girl and start telling her im nervous, i cant get hard because of less sexual experience or whatever?

People in this sub tell you must never open up to a girl, not even in a LTR. You have to always keep your fears, your weekness to yourself. But Mark guides to a different path. So where's the fine line? Should you really skip this advice even though it makes sense and as he said its an important step to become Non-Needy. And if so, maybe I got it wrong. How do I have to internalize this step counseled by Mark? He explained it like, if you try to manipulate a girl or EXPECT to get laid when you open up, then you're doing it wrong. But when you just let your emotions flow, like in his example when he went over to this girl who wanted to fuck and he couldnt get hard, he told her he's nervous, havent had sex for a long time and first wants to "get to know her". At first she looked at him like she lost interest and creeped out, but then they talked and get to know each other and had great sex.

Im trying to understand this, as im trying to swallow the pill. But I just don't get it. People here tell the opposite and also I dont know how to apply vulnerability in my dating life. Whats your thoughts on this?

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[–]LeatherBoundWisdom71 points72 points  (7 children) | Copy

A good way to think about the vulnerability he describes is a jacked Roman soldier who doesn't wear armor because he doesn't need to. If he did wear armor, it would be because he isn't strong enough to fight without it.

Practically, I don't think you should advertise unprompted "I'm nervous, I can't get an erection sometimes", but if that is the reality and it's relevant or necessary to mention, you shouldn't be afraid to mention it. The focus here is to not think you need to be some perfect super alpha in order to get women. Whoever you are, flawed as you are, is enough. You're then open to mention your flaws if the situation calls for it.

This vulnerability opens the door for you to actually connect, to actually communicate the person you are and not a filtered down archetype. People are only interesting and captivating when they are real - the super hero with no flaws always seems fake and superficial, and that is boring. If you aren't real with a girl, it doesn't matter how much of an asshole you are to her, she won't want to fuck you - because she can see clear as day that you don't think the real you is good enough for her. That if she saw who you actually are she wouldn't want to fuck you.

[–]RacistMuffin14 points15 points  (5 children) | Copy

The thing is that the idea of vulnerability should not be taken to the extent where you are giving away all your power. Its idea is giving away some power, but then you are displaying your value much more high than it seems after getting it all back

For example: when you approach a set, a good opener that puas may use often that displays vulnerability is something along the lines of: "hey, I know this might be completely awkward for you and me, but I just want to approach you since we could make somethings happen"

That opener itself is not indirect and displays vulnerability. However, it allows the female to give some comments to your opener and continue the conversation. Sort of like Todd V's definition of an opening loop conversation. It allows for the conversation to flow through rapport and then you can escalate through creating sexual tension.

The idea is this. You give away power by demonstrating vulnerability early. You allow the female to put in her masculine and lead the conversation early through the rapport stages. Then, you take the power back through escalation and leading narrative with the set.

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Wow, really great practical application. I can see it making you "real" and from that foundation inviting the girl to play. Looking forward to trying this.

[–]AdmCP3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Don't mix vulnerability and weakness.

You show vulnerability because you can afford it, not to brag with your weakness.

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Right. The idea I had in my head, and please critique my understanding if I'm off, isn't to share some fundamental weakness that bothers you existentially, but a recent sort of surface level emotion or observation that shows you're human and imperfect.

For example, at a new year's party I went to I didn't drink because of a recent string of bad health. I could have mentioned to a girl how the vibe doesn't feel as fun and playful when you're sober. Maybe joke "I feel a little Mormon coming on, I hope I don't disappoint my Jewish parents".

Shows your human, you have limitations, but that you care so little (as you should) that you can joke about them, or mention them, in casual conversation. You're not mentioning for the sake of "bragging with weakness", but insofar as it is your relevant and current experience your open to mentioning it.

[–]AdmCP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No. That's just whining.

You never ever open up with a weakness or vulnerability anyway. It does not "show you are human and limited" it just shows you are a whiny bitch.

And this: "the vibe doesn't feel as fun and playful when you're sober." Is totally your own fault btw. You basically tell her you are not fun when sober right away.

You go to the party to have fun or you don't go there. Point. Going there and complaining why its unfun because you cannot drink is exactly the issue many girls have with men when they tell you "need a man who knows what he wants."

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It doesn't feel as fun and playful, or flippant, and is instead slightly more serious and pensive. Not "boo hoo, this sucks because I'm sober".

This would be communicated with the intonation and body language.

[–]abomba240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great reply. I think it's important to be vulnerable and it gets a good response if you are confident in putting those feelings out there

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[–]silvereddi[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Okay makes sense. But lets take his example. Girl hits him up before they even met and tells him to come and fuck her on the kitchen table. He said sure. When he was on his way, he got extremely nervous and anxious because well he havent fucked for a while and he is scared to fail in performance and shit.

Now he comes there, they both get naked and then he cant fuck her because he cant get his dick hard because too nervous and anxious. How would you behave in such a situation? Should you play it cool and say yeah no big deal, lets make some foreplay until you eventually get hard again even though you're still nervous and shit?

Or would you, like he did, just tell her honestly that you're nervous, anxious and first want to get to know her a bit with talking before you can perform?

Makes me curious.

[–]throwawaybpdnpd6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’d say: “little guy’s not ready to get big it seems... I have to get to know you better first”

You don’t have to tell her that you’re anxious/nervous if you know that the solution is just getting to know her more

Get straight to the point without passing by your weaknesses

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[–]silvereddi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Alright, gotcha.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don’t forget in his book he clearly said that it turned her off telling that. Yes he fucked her eventually but it wasn’t what she was looking for

[–]user201806201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


The rational male link posted in this thread is perfect. Totally worth the read.

The idea of vulnerability as an asset is an inherently "logical" one. That is, in order to see a weakness as a strength, the mind has to get involved.

E.g. a coach is choosing teams for a relay race... And on student says, "oh, by the way, I sprained my ankle last week". On the face of it, that's a weakness. And the coach will feel instantly that the student should sit out the race. But if the mind gets involved... There is a chain of logic that goes like this. "Well, Matt told me about his ankle, and he could have concealed it. Obviously it's a weakness, so he should generally have preferred to conceal it so I let him race. But he told me, unprompted... So he must be quite certain that being honest about it won't make me bench him... So it must really not be a big deal that he hurt himself... He must be fully healed if he risked saying such a thing. Therefore, I'll.let him race"

So exposing vulnerabilities to women can be interpreted as a strength... By her mind. But the game is all about speaking to a woman's emotions, her heart.

So... Best to stay strong. And, if vulnerabilities are exposed now and then... We can own them, as valuable men a woman should be able to out up with our occasional weakness... Or we will next that woman for her inability to see us as the prize.

[–]theyearsstartcomin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The former. You shouldnt get clothes off too much before getting a boner anyway because theres no need to "take a step backwards" so to speak

Its not awful to do the latter, but the former is better

[–]ErectileDistention1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think vulnerability should be viewed similar to responsibility as viewed according to Jock willink. Weakness doesn't have an upside. But whenever you act weak, vulnerability is better then trying to cover it up. Same goes for responsibility. Whenever you fail you should take responsibility. It doesn't mean you always end up well, or that People absolve you of your failures. But if you don't, you show even greater weakness than if you do. Vulnerability, or taking responsibility basically shows your mature enough to learn from your mistakes, not taking them to seriously, not thinking trying to escape from them, not afraid they will define you, which is attractive.

[–]user201806200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That link is solid gold!!

This bit just rang out with truth like a bell...

From Of Love and War:

We want to relax. We want to be open and honest. We want to have a safe haven in which struggle has no place, where we gain strength and rest instead of having it pulled from us. We want to stop being on guard all the time, and have a chance to simply be with someone who can understand our basic humanity without begrudging it. To stop fighting, to stop playing the game, just for a while.

We want to, so badly.

If we do, we soon are no longer able to.

Dear God.... That speaks to me. I've never articulated it quite that well.... But it's the single overriding thing my soul craves. That rest.

And it comes so rarely. It's the quiet moments with your woman... The falling asleep. God.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy


This is in the sense of being honest, eg asking a girl out directly, showing you like her, etc.

You should never be vulnerable as in "let yourself be in a weak position", which is never attractive and attractive people never do this. Eg don't wait for her, don't do what she says, don't let her call the shots, don't let her run your life or make your decisions, etc.

Girls will exploit vulnerability as if you're offering them free cash. Which is why the "I find you attractive" frame should also include "but you're not the only attractive woman who likes me".

you must never open up to a girl, not even in a LTR.

Never show weakness, it's unattractive. She doesn't want the story, she wants the end result. I think it was Bill Burr who says "they wait at the finish line and fuck the winner".

But Mark guides to a different path

He does, and he sells books that women don't complain about.

Women complain about TRP endlessly.

Which do you think is acting in your best interests?

as he said its an important step to become Non-Needy

Being non-needy is the absolute most important first step.

He explained it like, if you try to manipulate a girl or EXPECT to get laid when you open up, then you're doing it wrong. But when you just let your emotions flow, like in his example when he went over to this girl who wanted to fuck and he couldnt get hard, he told her he's nervous, havent had sex for a long time and first wants to "get to know her".

What the fucking fuckity fuck.

Im trying to understand this, as im trying to swallow the pill.

Manson is NOT "the pill". His dating advice is pretty good, but he's not hardcore red.

[–]NigroqueSimillima4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Manson was also living in asian when he wrote models, which honestly make me skeptical of alot of his personal ancedotes being relevant to a man living in the west.

Truth be told, he seems to be similar to TRP in that he's trying to prevent men from becoming PUA approach monkey, throwing down lines and routines, getting girls into bed occasionally, but not knowing how to have a lasting relationship with them.

Nowadays PUA advice is more red pill theory based than when he wrote his book. Back then it was more tech based, aka do x y and z with a little evo psych thrown in, but not a ton.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Nowadays PUA advice is more red pill theory

Without red pill honesty, because they're all making money at it. They teach approaching without teaching lifting. Something very wrong there.

[–]NigroqueSimillima0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can definitely benefit from red pill without lifting.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Never show weakness, it's unattractive. She doesn't want the story, she wants the end result.

Women don't have a single, solitary fucking clue on how to handle the story. Well, not all, but the vast majority. Especially the ones we want to fuck.

They don't have solutions for a man's struggle. You wouldn't go home to your five year old kid, and be like 'it's just so hard today, I really need you to sit with me and hold me. Will you do that, please?'

The kid would be like 'um, daddy, you're acting weird. Can I get a parent here, please!'

Thing is, once you've red some RP, achieved some shit in life and been through some stuff, it should come naturally not to show weakness. A lot of young guys will struggle with this, because they haven't done anything to actually internalize a sense of strength yet.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A lot of young guys will struggle with this, because they haven't done anything to actually internalize a sense of strength yet.

And because men are now instructed by society and every woman to "open up" and "show more emotion" and "trust women", which basically amounts to showing a whole load of vagina-drying weakness.

[–]Zombiespire11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy

I'm going to go overboard here because there's a lot to unpack here. Other people here have already explained that "vulnerability" is not just about emotions. It's about being willing to put your mental state at risk in order to gain something, and having the confidence to do that is attractive, because confidence. When you introduce yourself to a girl you are interested in, you are making yourself vulnerable to the risk of rejection, and the mental anguish and humiliation that can come with that. When you're owning up to your flaws or mistakes to another person, you are making yourself vulnerable to being judged, to someone forming a more negative perception of you, and the brain feels bad when it gets rejected socially. It's about putting your mind at risk to feel negative emotions like heartbreak, humiliation, sadness, etc. Because if you don't take risks, you'll never acquire anything. What you are confused about is the emotional aspect.

So what is a relationship. A true relationship is emotionally connecting with another person. It's not liking the same TV shows, or hating the same genres of music, or having sex with each other. At it's atomic root, a relationship is the emotions felt and shared with another person. Here is an example of a person who is failing to show emotional vulnerability and how that is impacting his relationship. And my response here. EDIT: Had to remove link for bot reasons, PM me if you are curious about that example.

A lot of people here when they hear "emotion" their mind instantly goes to weakness. They think of an emotional wreck who doesn't have control of their emotions, cries when things don't go their way, that kind of thing. That is an example of a weak person, not an emotional person. To be vulnerable with a female does not mean subjecting them to your issues, or dumping emotions on them prompting them to respond and validate you. I'm not going to go up to a female and tell her about my crippling porn addiction, that would make her nothing but uncomfortable. I'm not going to info dump on a recent breakup and how mad and depressed I am about it, that would make her nothing but uncomfortable.

You can be in tune and open with your emotions without making people uncomfortable, or making your frame fall apart. By communicating your emotions and effectively "opening yourself up" "making yourself vulnerable", this gives people the chance to come into your life and become invested in how you feel through empathy/sympathy. This is the creation off a relationship, romantic or platonic. If you can show you are comfortable communicating openly with your emotions, that displays confidence and being tuned into your emotions. A lot of relationships run into problems when the woman (who are the more emotional and empathetic sex) start becoming frustrated that the man does not share any emotions, and thus comes off as dishonest. Then the woman begins to wonder who they are, and begin to distrust them because they still don't know who they are. This is why relationships break down from dishonesty. You should be learning more about a person the longer you date them, not less.

So how can you apply this? In conversation about things you are currently feeling, or when you are telling a story, incorporate emotions into it. Do not become obsessed with hiding everything about yourself, BUT make sure you are maintaining frame as a strong man who is IN CONTROL of the emotions they feel, and NOT ENSLAVED to their emotions as impulses. When telling a story where you're in danger, incorporate how scared or unnerved you felt, but let your frame and storytelling show that you were still strong and courageous in that story. Like in the example above, when you lose or about to lose someone you care a lot about, say how painful that is for you because you care about that person a lot and don't want to lose them. But SHOW that it still does not make you weak, and these painful emotions do not affect YOUR LIFE. You don't start binge drinking, develop anger problems, or shut yourself in your house for a week. When talking about your hobby or career, incorporate how excited it makes you feel, why it's important to you, or why you are passionate about it. Life is a culmination of emotions and feelings, and when you share them you can build emotional connections. If you maintain frame when you share emotions, you are attractive. It's all about showing you are comfortable experiencing your positive and negative emotions, and you are not ashamed to have any of those feelings or emotions. When Manson was upfront and direct with a girl that it has been a while for him, and he needs to be more comfortable with the girl to have sex; for one that's being honest about the problem at hand instead of lying which implies fearing facing an issue ("Honesty is the best policy" -Benjamin Franklin), and it shows that even though there is something negative that is affecting him physically, him communicating it confidently shows that it does not bother him, and that he wasn't ashamed to have a problem. Now in counter, I still strongly believe you should NEVER EVER disclose any CURRENT psychological issues to a woman, because 9 times out of 10 they will see you as weak and untrustworthy. Do not discuss depression with a female, do not discuss trauma or PTSD with a woman, do not discuss any addictions or dependencies with a woman, do not discuss any deep emotionally ingrained issues with a woman. You CAN talk about issues in the past, for example a veteran talking about PTSD over a deployment and how it's behind him, BUT proceed with caution. Anything that is an issue that affects your psyche or life, save it for a trusted male friend, or a therapist. Women need to be able to trust that you are immovable and secure, or they will leave you. I'm serious not even with your wife, do not discuss depression.

In response to people here stating the opposite, there is a major flaw in this subreddit. A lot of the people here are damaged, emotionally or otherwise. And the lifestyles and views they hold are often based upon that damage. I highly encourage that everything that is told to you here you should think on it for yourself, nothing here is an absolute rule. A lot of people here insist that love is fake, all women are nothing but whores, amazing women don't exist, and that no one should ever get married and just fuck around with women their entire lives. To all that shit I say fuck that. Many here have developed narcissism based on their bad experiences in life or on what they have learned here. Narcissism can be productive when it involves investing more in yourself than others, in being confident in yourself and having good self esteem, standing up for yourself, and not being needy of others. Where it becomes bad is when you are no longer considerate of anyone other than yourself, their emotions, or their needs, and developing this hatred and disgust of women. Women didn't stop being human beings when we decided to swallow the red pill, we just learned to understand their logic, desires, and behavior better than the lies of blue pill.

Best quote I heard here was this "TRP is a toolbox for men. Use it as a resource to improve your life, leave behind what you don't like or agree with. But be wise and empowered to know the difference."

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[–]user201806201 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I like a lot of this.

The short version is that conveying emotion is a core component of connecting with other humans. Women included. But all communication that exposes a weakness must also show, clearly, that the weakness was handled, and the man reigns supreme as a competent king of his life.

So a man was afraid... But he acted courageously.

A man is sad... But he keeps moving forward


I'll add one other thing. Pua is all about building attraction... Aimed at creating arousal.

Trp is more broad spectrum. It includes relationships with women that aren't only sexual.

And woman in different mind states can be drawn towards, and value, different things.

For a woman a sexual mind state (no logic here)... Discussing weakness is a turn off. It's very similar to being in the middle of a role play, and breaking character. If a woman is wet, and excited by your dominant attitude as, say, a 50nshades of gray style Dom.... And you stop and asked her "baby, did that sting a bit too much?"... It breaks her out of the game. And if you don't at to much or too hard... She might just be out of the mood altogether.

I think it's the same with exposing vulnerabilities.

However, when a woman is in a comfort building mind state (logic can happen here)... You're getting ice cream, or low key cuddling by a fire, or killing time chatting at a family function.... That woman is looking to build emotional connection. And would place a positive value on learning what her man loves and hates. Him hopes and dreams. How she can support him, and so on. In that state, discussing a weakness might be seen as a signal strength. Or, I think more accurately... A signal of investment. She thinks... "Oh my! He trusts me with this precious part of himself" .

Even so... I'd always pair weaknesses with the proof that they are merely feelings, and the man moves forward in spite of them.

And I'd still say that weaknesses are best avoided when possible.

[–]Zombiespire1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with pretty much all of that. Again too many here have way too much hostility towards connecting emotionally with a woman while also staying in line with TRP values and understanding how women can hurt you.

We should still feel driven to have these deep and passionate relationships with women, all women. But keep in mind to hold frame, and be in control of ourselves and those around us.

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[–]Zombiespire0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That same logic cam be applied to female attractiveness. When a female decides it's ok to get fat after she gets married, the man struggles to continue loving her. This tells fools that love is fickle and not permenant. While men realize love has upkeep, and maintenance.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like his more general messages like being honest and expressint yourself more authentically, I don’t necessarily think it’s a perfect philosophy/strategy on the whole but there is no such thing as perfect.

[–]AA72 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It works if you're good looking. I've done it and still got laid. Plus you can sort of tie this into the book of pook where he says perfect is boring.

[–]user201806201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think all pua and trp theories should have a image of the author attached... Because the game is just vastly different based on the man's smv.

A super hot stud, who a woman finds she is able to get him to be vulnerable with her... How special does that woman feel? She cracked the code no other hoe could crack! The hero let her into his most vulnerable sacred space! She wins!

But for an average guy, one that her girlfriends aren't all jealous of and hot to jump?... The woman falls for the image her presents... The bad boy, the rock... And breaking that image breaks her attraction.

[–]jonsmif97979 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not mutually exclusive. Vulnerability means willing to go to unknown territory and risks getting failure and embarrassment. It means do things that requires huge balls.

I believe it is mentioned in the book that vulnerability is not emotional puke, not seeking for sympathy. You fucking STFU about your problems.

Vulnerability means cold approaching, asking her on a date, escalate, unabashedly being sexual, embrace conflicts, hold eye contact, etc. Anything that requires courage.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You share vulnerable details, but in a confident tone. Period. For example, instead of saying "I'm worried (shaky voice), I dont know if my new business is going to succeed!!!" you say "I have some worries about my new business, I wont lie (stable confident DGAF tone)." Yes vulnerability is essential for an LTR.

One other guy who posted here noted that it's "brutally honest" sharing, but with "amused mastery and an DGAF attitude," which I completely agree with as well.

[–]InscrutablePUA1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Vulnerability is all about putting yourself in a position where you can be rejected, or open to harm, rather than being walled off and emotionless all the time. If you're lifting and eating well and project an alpha physical presence, a bit of emotional vulnerability once in a while works wonders in a LTR.

[–]teka74 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its not mixing well. Not everything mixes well, test and think for yourself...

[–]rosesmellikepoopoo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That book is more for purple pills. Red pillers just want to spin plates.

[–]sintemir0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In mystery method or whichever pua book, I read "ask most embrassing memory"... she will hesitate to tell... so you tell it first (its - look I am a human- move also you are taking lead )Like you were in highschool , breaking school and your pants ripped in whole school. Everyone grinning But you still made it somehow kind story.

[–]Drive_Thru_Sushi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think he means that vulnerability doesn’t necessarily mean exposing your own weaknesses or being weak, but more or less accepting them and having the courage to go out and let them show just a bit. Knowing awkward moments and rejection are a possibility, you don’t give a fuck and carry on because you’re ‘confident’ in who you are.

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[–]Andrew543210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You’re suppose to own your vulnerabilities.

Know you have weak points and you’re working on them less weak.

[–]zzzip1010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's hard to explain but it's easy to reveal a part of yourself whilst being strong and stoic at the same time. And it is important that you are also able to move on in the sense that you don't keep bringing it up and just keep living.

On the other side of the platform, you can be a constant whinger and seek your partners validation at all time. Your partner is not your mother.

[–]FemtoG0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

mark manson has the right idea. people sniff out ungenuineness tremendously well. ur a fool if u think u can fool them

[–]bluefingerblue0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Vulnerability really means putting yourself out there. Asking the girl out. Making the move.

You’re putting yourself in positions to get rejected, but instead be vulnerable.

Put yourself out there. Be honest with your intentions.

[–]send_it_for_the_boys0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This comes down to it’s not what you say it’s how you say it. Don’t talk to girls or in fact anybody about your problems or things in a negative way, don’t whine that’s for babies. Nobody likes somebody that pouts about everything and complains and begs for reassurance & attention. Example one time me and a girl were hanging out and somehow got brought up about my parents being divorced at a young age, she started asking me things like how it affected me or doesn’t that hurt? Blah blah you know. My responses were things like, honestly it didn’t phase me much, didn’t really think about it at the time and I figured it was for the best. Maybe as I get older I think about it a little more but I see it as something that I was able to go through and continue on my path without it bringing me down. Which is all true. I “and I’m sure you and everyone else on this sub” come from a lot of adversity & throughout the years ive taught myself to “embrace the suck” if you will. Hard situations make the hard men, I don’t mind talking about them but I’m damn sure not going to use it as a way to get validation or an excuse to not do something with my life. Finding TRP & all the other information online about becoming a man also really helped me to harness everything I’ve been through and will go through and use it as energy for something good for me! Don’t forget where you come from! I also recommend watching David Goggins videos!!! Dudes a unit & he’s a prime example on what it means to speak vulnerably but in a.....powerful way! Hope you get something from this.!

[–]mikalepkoslika0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s a book on how to become an orbiter and a beta cuck. Does it work for Manson to get laid? Of course. He is a Chad, or was a Chad in his prime, Chad can play a triangle and get more pussy than an orchestra conductor. For an average Joe? No way it works. Using this technique one can become another female friend of his oneitis. Not a healthy scenario. On the other hand, you won’t get metooed or assrammed by Tyrone in the gaol, because Manson respects m‘ladies.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K180 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Manson isn't referring to vulnerability as being a weak, emotional puke spilling guy.

What I got from the book, is he think a lot of guys are too outcome dependent and trying too hard to be 'Alpha'. Lots of tricks, games and effort.

Really you have to get in, polarize a woman and forget it if she isn't 'fuck yes'.

His vulnerability, is really being vulnerable to rejection.

He's not RedPill in terms of a lot of the 'strategy' stuff. He's more get in, be honest that you find her attractive, polarize, forget it if she's not fuck yes.

His other stuff, like the woman who wanted him to fuck her on the table and he couldn't...MAYBE that situation could turn out ok...but I don't think it's something he should be telling guys to do.

[–]mikalepkoslika0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nope. This is a book for the Brads and high tier normies. An averagecel would get laughed at, if he would take the advices from the book for serious. It would make them even bigger losers without frame. We have the 2020 now. Neil Strauss would be writing in in 2020. It‘s so over for many, many men in 2020 with tinder and homoliberal political elites.

[–]8BitRebellion-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Speaking about this book. I've heard a lot of good stuff about this book. Is it worth it to pick it up?

[–]mikalepkoslika0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No. It’s a book for the bluepilled pretty boys, like Mr. Manson himself. If a sub7 male, it’s a „How to become a cuck“ manual.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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