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Is The Juice Worth The Squeeze?

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April 3, 2020

I spent a lot of years learning how to approach women in the perfect way,I’ve read hundreds of books,I basically know by heart all paragraphs of the red pill. I’ve also improved drastically my daily routine and my physical aspect. All this things combined gave me the chance to meet a lot of girls in a short period of time and I came to the conclusion that they are incredibly boring: they can’t keep up a good conversation,most of them are full of shit tests and are immature/disrespectful bitc*es. All they have to offer is their body and for an hour of pleasure I have to face their shitty behavior,I give my effort and drain my energy for a wet hole. I mean if we’re just chasing them for sex and we’re not interested in LTR (because they don’t have nothing to offer except sex),why we can’t just go with escorts? I have a good job and I can afford the most beautiful escorts,without a pain in the ass,so I’m thinking about give up “the game” and going into a permanent soft monk mode: I’ll just work to improve myself and if I feel the urge I’ll hire a wonderful escort. Guys,l’m curious to hear your opinion about that...

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Title Is The Juice Worth The Squeeze?
Author alienreps
Upvotes 128
Comments 89
Date 03 April 2020 06:56 PM UTC (11 months ago)
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[–]GetBehindMeSatan666103 points104 points  (14 children) | Copy

Plate = Escort you dont have to pay.

If you dont want to engage in shit tests then dont. Depending on the plate Ill diffuse them but other times I ignore them entirely.

You dont have to put up with shitty behavior. Tell them to leave. Theyre plates.

Get better plates.

[–]alienreps[S] 54 points55 points  (13 children) | Copy

Even the easiest plates needs a good amount of effort,let’s say the things as they are,unless you’re a fucking Leonardo di Caprio in his prime you don’t get girls with a snap of fingers. I feel that instead draining my time and energy for sex is better to work on self improvement,if I want a vagina I can pay for it,without a pain in the ass.

That’s my view,I respect your opinion,but for me isn’t worth it

[–]GetBehindMeSatan66620 points21 points  (9 children) | Copy

Sure but I also enjoy the hunt and more so the chase. My favorite part about the chase is closing. Its a type of validation for both parties. I love making new plates.

Youre putting pussy on a pedestal and letting it be a pain in your ass. Stop playing their games.

I understand your mentality. Woman are fucking annoying and Ive felt the same way plenty of times. I let those plates that annoy me break.

The problem with fucking escorts is theyre escorts. Its expensive, illegal, and frowned on by most societies, potentially dangerous. There is a lot of poor fuckers who have been robbed when they think theyre gonna nutt. Most importantly is its unnecessary when there are woman willing to fuck you for free.

If a plate is annoying you Tell her. Who fuckn cares?

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[–]jaznex11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy

why would you fuck your plate raw ? escorts at least care about their health, most of the whores don't

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

That guys wild, never fuck any girl raw no matter how clean they say they are unless you’re actively trying to have a kid.

You’re right about escorts actually caring about their health seeing as their job is selling their body. I’d even argue the average escort is much cleaner than your everyday hb6.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You never know how many sti’s these girls are carrying, so better safe than sorry. You never chase women man, you chase your goal and women chase you.

Also if you’re into raw dogging, I’d say only do it in an OLTR and make sure you know that she regularly gets health checks and vice versa.

I used to rawdog every girl just because it always felt better than having a rubber on but what’s important to me now is not getting tied up with a kid to some whore while I’m still relatively young. IDC if my pull out game is impeccable. I’ve invested in myself and I have a solid future so it’s not something I’m willing to take a chance on.

You can always go raw in their mouths so. Just my 2c on the matter.

[–]dronesjones0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not going to judge how you felt, but I'm just trying to warn you that it feels like you're attacking people.

[–]GetBehindMeSatan666-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very true

[–]RelucBeam20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you are in the company of low value women.

Assess your environment.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev61 points62 points  (10 children) | Copy

Do what you want. There are women whose company I enjoy and who bring value to my life.

There are others I can't be bothered with.

[–]1DonaldBaelish40 points41 points  (7 children) | Copy

This is the main reason why this post is imaginary bullshit.

OP claims to have spent years and years on reading and studying women. He claims he has met many and somehow all of them ended up being immature, uninteresting and disrespectful.

I feel like OP met a total of 10 women on Tinder, all having suggestive bios that they want to be banged on the first date and nothing more. What do you expect, OP?

Also, years and years of book and material in TRP and outside of TRP and your conclusion is that the only value women offer is sex? Women also offer fun. And plenty of other things. But you wouldn’t know, would you?

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy

His years of reading and studying could have been spent in person gaming. His shit game means he gets shit behavior. This is all masturbation for OP

[–]alienreps[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

My years of reading and studying made me a better person,the red pill is not only about women but gives a complete new perspective on society. Thanks to red pill I’ve also started gym and improved my body,I quit my 9:00-17:00 job and I started a personal business. If you think life it’s all about gaming and chasing a wet hole then I’m happy for you

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Your ego investment in your posting holds you back.

Best to dissociate and focus on the ideas presented. I've given you my take, and I assure you it doesn't involve chasing puss all the time.

What do you want out of life? The answer to that will greatly enable some actual advice.

The fact you stepped up to the plate despite my harsh language means you are probably a good dude so I'm spending time here.

[–]notWhatIsTheEnd6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

This comment demonstrates why I come back to this sub time after time. Instead of a shit post crusade people actually take the time to communicate meaningful information that could very well help one change their life for the better.

OP, by all means go your own way, but please realize that like all things in life women neither wholly good nor bad. There is much joy to be derived from associating with women. The Red Pill can help you learn how to perform that exquisite alchemy.

[–]leotard-princess0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What do you want out of life? The answer to that will greatly enable some actual advice.

Yeah. That's a good place to start. I guess the big answer has to be the power to make a difference for the positive aspect of humanity. Having fun and hedonism is great too - if that's what you want - people want to be fulfilled at different levels. Ultimately there's no right or wrong.

[–]imtheoneimmortal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Freud give you an analysis on society not the red pill

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What value do they bring to your life?

[–]notWhatIsTheEnd2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a good idea for a thread. I would be happy to write a thoughtful response but I would prefer to do it in a venue in which I'm not derailing a mediocre topic.

[–]theUnBannableHulk14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

If it works for you ¯_(ツ)_/¯

But honestly the amount of time and effort some Men put into chasing tail can make them great men if they direct that into their life but the west has so been destroyed by the (((chosen))) men are beggared for good women

[–]BruhMoment4588615 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

That sounds like heaven dude. No balls do it

[–]Theowawayjustforu4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

@OP This is what I do.

[–]spider_13377 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Now a days it probably isnt. Im a cheap fuck so i still game women and have a good success rate. Leave the game if you want, more girls for me 🤷‍♂️

[–]Alkenko3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Looking through your post history and your mgtow background, your years of learning seem legit.

[–]tilleuno3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can't imagine, and I'm not knocking you, taking sex as just sex and having it end there.

Having raw desire of a girl you like, fucking her with zero money or anything involved purely because she enjoys your and how you make her feel.

That's priceless. No amount of money can buy you that. Just like almost everything that is great in life, its priceless.

To put a rubber on and bang some chick who really use just there for the money, is 1/1000th as good as being with w a girl you have a connection (doesn't matter if it's a relationship or not) with and having pure mindblowing sex and time spent with her.

Years and years or whatever it takes to get there, life is about doing things that make you feel amazing.

[–]WhatRemainsAfter23 points24 points  (6 children) | Copy

Welcome to the higher truth, Brother.

There come a time, when you transcend the rabbit hole the redpill is.

You are already seeing the light. No women will be worthy of your time and effort. They will just suck you dry and leave. By the time death comes knocking, You feel cheated just like it happened with that women that lead you here.

It is depressing tbh. Nietzsche has written a lot about such realisations.

It is this reason why TRP says, focus on mission. Nothing else is worth the time and effort.

I trust you find your way.

Lastly, remember it is just a game. Why so serious?! (;


[–]dtyler868 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well said. Nietzsche nails TRP truth with: For the woman, the man is a means: the end is always the child.

Once they’ve got that, you’re an ATM. And if they’re not after that in you, they’re after someone who will become their ATM.

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[–]dtyler860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Real estate and occasional wealthy men with boats plowing them till they get bored

[–]alienreps[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes thanks to TRP I became a better person,it’s not all about women,the red pill gives you a new perspective on society and you start seeing world with new eyes. The Red Pill is like playing a game with cheat codes

[–]dutchgguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. I don't really botter with "looking for sex". I just befriend them, don't put much effort in them, and continue my life. It seems to be working, they think higher of me, and I feel much better now.

[–]mechcoder5986 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

There is a difference between Daddy buying you a new car and you working over the summer to buy yourself a second-hand car. The first one is easier but doesn't build character. "When you see the world too well, you will see there is no point in fighting any war. That doesn't mean you should not fight it as that leads to the ultimate defeat ". I was reading this in the "33 strategies of war by Robert Greene". This was one of my major problems after I got red-pill knowledge. Hope this helps.

[–]absolutelynp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

33 strategies of war by Robert Greene

that sounds very intersting, I just recently thought about that everything is a fight actually, bc human nature is selfish and cruel and that reflects to everything.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women make up 50% of the population. If you ignore them, you're living in ignorance- you're not red pill.

With the statement "all I see is a wet hole in a girl", you have reduced yourself to a tiny penis in all of your interactions with females. If that's the view of yourself you want to have, then chasing girls might seem like a huge investment for sticking your teeny peen in a hole. By spending on escorts, you are merely substituting the effort of courting a girl with hard-earned money.

High quality girls are out there, but few and far between and they may not be the sluttiest or hottest. You have a lot to experience and gain by taking in everything a girl has to offer: release and relaxation, envy of betas, social status among your friends and her friends, getting a taste of the world from her perspective... If you are not capable of attracting and spending quality time with such high quality girls, you are the problem. In this case, spending on escorts is the most beta solution.

Your current state is closer to MGTOW. Ease off on the pedal and feel the feminine energy around your girls.

[–]rickit3k1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

couldn't have said it better. RP doesn't mean, it's only about sex. RP means, you are in fucking charge. So get yourself a quality girl. If you can't see them, change your perspective or hunting ground.

[–]Zapche2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Obviously they only have their body to offer you lmao. It’s definitely a waste of time to constantly and consistently chase women. Any man in here that says that’s all life’s about is shitting the bed hard.

If your games what you say it is pipe when you feel like being generous to the other sex and dead them entirely when you don’t

[–]LordVaderKush3-22 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Juice is only worth if it tastes good a.k.a the quality is there

[–]Iluvalmonds832 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If after several years of “mastering game”, you assess all women like this, this would lead me to believe your game does not attract higher value women (in terms of personality and developed character).

If the immature and narcissistic validation obsessed women are all that you’re chasing after and getting, then of course the juice won’t be worth the squeeze. Who continuously enjoys a low effort game where the prizes are shitty?

[–]SpiderAlpha332 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Too many unvalidated assumptions.

[–]LeEbinConchShell8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

I'm turning 29 and i fucked 50 girls by 25. I went to thailand and fucked 65 hookers in 6 months. Personally, in terms of cost/benefit analysis, I liked Thailand more lmao. I say let the value of pussy go through a "market correction." Zoomers are already calling out "simp" behavior and i applaud that wholeheartedly. stay gold.

[–]peacemakerzzz0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What does simp even mean? I’m missing out

[–]LeEbinConchShell0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

so gen z'ers have actually intensified the meaning of "simp" behavior to be virtually any kind of supplicating behavior WITHOUT getting sex in return. I think this is an excellent development because it will reinforce the redpill in the broader population and spare young guys years of bullshit

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[–]AceZentura-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Couple lady boys in thailand? 😂

[–]LeEbinConchShell0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Try thousands, but not my cup of tea hahaha

[–]strainer1233 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thats how you become a MGTOW, no its not, it really is not, the amount of effort it takes to get access to their hole is ridiculous and not worth it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Sounds like you just haven't met enough women, and certainly no experience with escorts - they come with their own downsides. And from the sound of it, you'd be the type to catch feels:

"Gais how do I LTR this escort, I love her and want to sayyyyve her"

Escorts can be fun in small doses if you already have a good rotation of women that actually want to fuck you, but they're not an EZ solution to overall sexual health to focus on exclusively. It gets old, like eating birthday cake for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And ultimately your time and money should be too valuable.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Gais how do I LTR this one escort, I love her"

sHe DoEsN't KiSs hEr ClIeNtS

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with this guy

[–]alienreps[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

That’s sounds like a female reply trying to defend women behavior,are you a soy consoomer? AWALT: I’m not interested into meeting “the one”

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Swing and a miss, sweetie. The point is if you're already this conflicted about feeling like you're wasting time meeting and fucking regular girls, you are not going to handle escorts well since you are effectively paying someone to tolerate you. Not everyone can handle that without internalizing it and letting it mess with their head, particularly the younger you are.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Getting women should be an additional benefit of self improvement. Not the main driver.

[–]priapula1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are low quality and high quality girls. Find a high quality girl that you like for something else than sex and looks

[–]Monitorul1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When you don't have it, it's definitely worth it.

[–]flyinghorse11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I got into my 30s the juice is hardly worth the squeeze. I'd slept around a lot and I had some good relationships over the years as well. I got the point where I just wanted to focus on career, friends, and hobbies.

I dont dismiss women and dating forever but it isnt worth it right now.

The answer is simply what are your priorities right now and are you pursuing them

[–]jaznex1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm in a similar position... Where I live I can fuck a really hot girl for $50 a hour or $25 just one fuck. Why should I try porsue narcisistic bitches when I can spend 5 times less with escorts than going out...

[–]leotard-princess1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im with you all the way brother. I just got bored of the drama and having to be this hard edged motherfucker with the ladies. I guess the ladies get like it too...

There must be a time where they get fed up with wearing the push up bra, the make up and doing their hair. You can see those shots where even the sweetest celebrities looks like shit without their visual props. In many ways game is like this for guys...

Do your thing. The point is not to be a MGTOW or some chad - but in fact to find your place in a wider context in life. It sounds like you're actually growing and maturing into a being beyond sex - not some blue pilled simp either who wants to make a woman his meaning, but actually you're asking more of yourself.

Well done.

[–]drunkPKMNtrainer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whatever dude, if you dont want girls go do something by yourself. What's the big deal.

[–]jaw86254 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

I dont understand men who don't enjoy the game. Yes women are brats/shallow/immature but they really are a lot of fun. The chase is just as good (if not better) than the catch, and I love chilling with my hoes. It sounds like you're mad that they aren't men with vaginas

[–]alienreps[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Chasing a girl = give her that attention she’s craving Women will constantly crave attention,they are fucking voracious and will never be happy. Have you ever asked yourself why they’re constantly checking up their social media? I don’t want to end 40/50 years old looking to my past and see that I’ve spent the best years of my life trying to chase women like a loser. I’m not born to do that,I deserve more.

[–]jaw86251 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its not that serious, women rarely drain me of my energy like that. I enjoy it just as much as they do. Flirting is fun

[–]Greenergrass211 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

If that’s how you feel there’s nothing wrong with it. Everyone’s different but you’d fit in better at MGTOW. That is their line of thinking also, they get away from women cus they don’t believe it’s worth it, where we play the game where we know the rules so we can win.

[–]alienreps[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

The fact is you’re not winning any game,it’s just an illusion,the real winner is the women who earns the attention that she’s craving so much. I can’t fit in Mgtow because they are toxic and misogynist,and personally I don’t hate women because I can understand their inner nature it’s not their fault if they behave like that

[–]znikrep1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

most of them are full of shit tests and are immature/disrespectful bitc*es. All they have to offer is their body and for an hour of pleasure I have to face their shitty behavior,I give my effort and drain my energy for a wet hole.

Can't fit MGTOW because they are misogynist? Did you red what you wrote?

[–]thestreets103 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wrong sub, this is incel shit.

If you don't want to do anything, no one is forcing you to do it.

I love the chase, the array of emotions before, during and after and the games. I love the connection that is built.

If your having to try as hard as your making out then you are doing something seriously wrong.

[–]alphakari1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You need more boyfriends.

[–]HJGamer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you’re in the wrong demographic for meeting women. You should read Models if you haven’t, this is a pretty big theme in the book.

[–]mikkeldaman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe it's your personality or maybe you met the wrong type of women. I, for one, want the company of men when I want to discuss serious stuff or, at the most, loosen up over some drinks and watch a game but I prefer the company of women when I feel like playing.

[–]Snowboard180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lowkey running game is almost more fun than sex imo.

I’ve learned to enjoy passing shit tests and gaming, it’s like a video game irl lol. Also, try to find plates/fwb that you actually enjoy being around and not just for the sex. I’d rather have 3 plates that I genuinely enjoy being around and that provide value to my life, than have 8 plates that are boring as hell but great sex.

[–]SalporinRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve read hundreds of books,I basically know by heart all paragraphs of the red pill.

I'm going to assume this is hyperbole but if it isn't then you're a loser. Look I'm all for reading up on the theory but you could have spent that time actually gaming women.

All this things combined gave me the chance to meet a lot of girls in a short period of time and I came to the conclusion that they are incredibly boring

Sounds like you ran into 4 dumb sluts in the span of a month and called it a day.

I mean if we’re just chasing them for sex and we’re not interested in LTR (because they don’t have nothing to offer except sex),why we can’t just go with escorts?

There is a healthy middle ground between emotion-free sex and exclusive committed LTR.

I have a good job and I can afford the most beautiful escorts,without a pain in the ass,so I’m thinking about give up “the game” and going into a permanent soft monk mode.

Do whatever the fuck you want with your life

[–]krusecontrol910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

On another note for his own well being it WAS worth it for the OJ “juice” to squeeze his hands into that glove. He gets to complain that golf courses are closing rather than be snake stuffed in a prison laundry room

[–]lunavoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The juice isn’t loose

[–]limbojunkie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For me I always have the best conversations with the women I'm not sexually attracted to. I strongly believe you can't find a woman who is both attractive and intelligent. You either have to throw the smart talk out of the window for the looks or your have to sacrifice the looks to be with someone who can at least have decent topics to share. This is why many committed relationships are often men with women who are 4-6 at best.

[–]mr_Tobbor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is a painfull epiphany after years of tears blood and sweet. I am Sorry for you. Nobody has to change the core of his existence. Your existencial crisis derives from that. From the other side, naturals fuck tones of pushies, live their live not giving a shit. They experience and accept the core of their existence without even knowing that. They are the leaders of their lives!

[–]Mescalean0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Coming from someone who was addicted to heroin.

Pussy is over rated. Its good don’t get me wrong but the lengths some dudes go to simp over some girl are mind boggling now. Its all tight and luke warm for the most part with majority of the owners not knowing how to use it/fuck.

I ask myself the same question sometimes OP

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All this things combined gave me the chance to meet a lot of girls in a short period of time and I came to the conclusion that they are incredibly boring: they can’t keep up a good conversation,most of them are full of shit tests and are immature/disrespectful bitc*es

How attractive are you?

How many girls have you approached? I'm guessing it's a lot less than you imply.

All they have to offer is their body and for an hour of pleasure I have to face their shitty behavior,I give my effort and drain my energy for a wet hole

Right.... but that's because you are aiming to fuck them and that's it.

Personally I aim to turn them into fuckbuddies and I let the more interresting ones stick around: those whose company I genuinely enjoy.

Many women are boring, but many of them are pretty good company IF YOU ARE ATTRACTIVE AND INTERESTING TO THEM.

why we can’t just go with escorts?

Noone is saying you can't. If that's what you want, go and do it.

[–]Quo2100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, get your needs met, then move on.

Welcome to this century of wonders.

[–]cfbovernfl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

they are incredibly boring

And you are who exactly...?

because they don’t have nothing to offer except sex

You've somehow completely misunderstood the point of RP despite supposedly reading hours of its material. Congratulations! You can go celebrate by fucking off with an escort.

[–]ZosoWicca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Even plates dont like be treated like whores.

And I like treating bitches as bitches, no more than an asshole for me.

So, I prefer fuking bitches with a lesser amount of invested time, and then to return to my usual activities.

Dont worship vagina, you pussybeggars.

[–]SteveSan820 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Escorts are for betas. If you can't get a woman to bed in equal amount of time as it takes to call an escort then you never mastered game.

[–]yellowfart-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe you just caught the ghey?

[–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff---1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Personally, yes, it gets boring and you realise chasing pussy is a terrible purpose for life. This is the natural progression of every successfull redpill man, they achieve all that they ever wanted (abundant, beautiful women) and find out it's not that great.

Once you've found one good woman who will suck your dick the way you like it and won't give you drama, keep her around and go pursue a higher purpose.

I think the best use of redpill knowledge is using it to pick out an actual valuable woman that won't fuck you over and knowing how to keep her in your frame so that she'll raise your kids well.

[–]PrincePound-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

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