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Pickup Artists are psychopathic.

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July 29, 2018
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Let's say I'm going to pick up a girl at the bar. I have a goal in mind. The girl's irrelevant to the goal insofar as she could be another girl so it's a psychopathic goal in some ways because really the individual doesn't matter

I'm serious about that

so what I'm gonna do say if I'm a pickup artist I follow these pickup artists on line because I'm so curious about their use of psychology and all they ever do is come up with - it's like a whole horde of men talking about how to deceive and manipulate women - it's extraordinarily interesting and very very very very very unsophisticated and unskilled because what the guys are they're lumps basically and what they're trying to do is to acquire the veneer of sophistication and that's psychopathic so anyways that's my my little spiel on pickup artists but they're very interesting so what they're doing is teaching their followers instrumental language so if you want to sleep with a girl here's how to do it here's how to manipulate her - they have a bunch of tricks like wear an expensive watch and dress up and also don't just dress up - they dress up rich roughly speaking but also add something peculiar to your wardrobe like something that really stands out as somewhat odd they call that peacocking so that the girl can see that not only are you rich and successful but you've got that little bit of individuality that sets you apart from all the other rich and successful guys you know - but it's all bullshit because the guys aren't like that so it's so-so and then they have all these little routines they use that they're verbal routines and they have these guys they go to the bar with to help them with their little routines and it's like it's completely what are they doing they're using language instrumentally they have a goal in mind and they know that the goal is right insofar as they're pursuing the goal and then they're willing to say any thing to obtain that goal...


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Title Pickup Artists are psychopathic.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 0
Comments 137
Date 29 July 2018 03:27 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/51715
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[–]Endorsed Contributorcholomite95 points96 points  (2 children) | Copy

A bird outside my window fluffed his chest up to look bigger for a female bird he wanted to impress.

Fucking psychopath I don't want that scary ass bird around me anymore now.

[–]MrCarepig21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you knew the things it chirps about...

[–]faggots4trump2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

FUCK ME FUCK ME FUCK ME FUCK ME FUCK ME FUCK ME

[–]PerplexingPegasus_102 points103 points  (4 children) | Copy

Is this some type of social experiment to illustrate a shit post???

Edit: /u/redpillschool I’ll tip my fedora to you, that was genius.

[–]The-Devilz-Advocate49 points50 points  (2 children) | Copy

Remember when RP mods wanted only quality posts to stay on this subreddit? I 'member

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Those were the days.

[–]nietzschethegreat 1 points [recovered]  (29 children) | Copy

For those that didn't know, this is a monologue by Jordan Peterson on pick-up artists.

Anyways, I thought this sub was supposed to bolster good quality content, not turn it into a fucking dumpster fire, especially one from the mods.

Peterson's right. Forget all of your ridiculous notions about politics and "conserva-cuck" nonsense.

Pick-up artists are inherently psychopathic. And the fact that the creator of this sub is upset about this is absolutely inane, and really goes to show where it's headed. If he knew anything about men and sexual strategy, he'd know that pick-up artistry doesn't actually fall in line, at all, with the "Red Pill."

"Pick-up artists" and teachers of "pick-up" use routines, verbal tricks, and superficial elements with the "veneer of sophistication" to trick women into thinking they are something they are not. Low status men who don't have the ability nor the potential to become what they could be, so they have to resort to displaying all the behaviors that a high status man naturally, outwardly manifests without being the high status man themselves.

The "Red Pill" isn't about low status men trying to "pick up" women or manipulating them subconsciously (from both frames of reference, that is) into liking them. It's about becoming a truly high status man who naturally attracts women who lives for his own values and needs, regardless of others' opinions.

Pick-up artists are psychopathic. If you don't understand by now, you won't ever get it. Pick-up artistry manifests itself out of a low-line narcissism and inferiority complex, in which the men unconsciously try to manipulate women into appreciating them so their torn egos can be repaired (even if they disguise it to themselves as a method of attracting women).

All this hate on Jordan Peterson is making me doubt that any of the mods or even "endorsed contributors" have any sense or understanding of anything. Ridiculous.

[–]zyqkvx23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

That was weak. I like Jordan Peterson. He continually makes great points. He also sometimes talks about shit he doesn't know anything about, all with good intentions. He's still human. He has some bluepill streaks running through him. He's not a Super Hero or Villain we have to choose between. I don't think JP has spent a lot of time stratigizing to attract women lately.

PUA is how ignorant men try to lunge themselves out of being incels. It's not pretty, but not evil.

[–]nietzschethegreat 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Psychopathy isn't evil. The problem is, "PUA" is and forever will be for inherently low-status men. Those who truly have their wits about them will realize that it's not about these strategies, routines, and memorized lines, and it's about actually becoming the man you so wish to be, not pretending you are him.

[–]grandmasbroach2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thats what ive always thought. If you have to basically act like someone else, that is your cue that it is time for self improvement.

[–]Rian_Stone3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy

Can't learn psychopathy, and more than you can train an adult to grow taller

[–]Infinite_Metal-2 points-1 points  (11 children) | Copy

Isn’t psychopathy simply holding frame to the extreme? Boldness, self-confidence, assertiveness, lack of empathy, putting oneself first, etc? The only psychopathic trait I see that is unrelated seems to be that of poor impulse control, which I question is actually a trait of psychopathy... although I am not a psychologist.

[–]Rian_Stone4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy

It's not a clinical term anymore, but characterized now as Antisocial personality disorder...

But it generally described antisocial behaviour, and your brain wired to be unable to process empathy.

[–]Infinite_Metal4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

Sounds like a term born from ideology. Antisocial meaning an unwillingness to follow the current ideology and lack of empathy meaning not giving a fuck what others think or feel, unless those thoughts and feelings give some benefit to the psychopath. Both are rooted in a lack of adherence to (or manipulation of) the current dominant ideology.

I feel that in many ways TRP is the rejection of the current ideology and therefore perhaps a path to becoming a “psychopath”. Not so much in learning to be a psychopath, but rather freeing the one we already have inside. Freedom from ideology.

[–]Rian_Stone4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Again, psycho path doesn't exist. It's not a medical thing, but a subjective judgement at this point.

And so side ring it's anti social it's not what rp men aim for, you need to be social

[–]Infinite_Metal0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You are blurring terms without clear definition.

Anything outside the norms of social conduct is antisocial, according to the definitions I am reading. It doesn’t mean you can’t socialize well. Is TRP not antisocial (by the definition above, not the antonym of social)? Enjoy the decline, right?

[–]Rian_Stone2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Walk me through how you become attractive enough to fuck without being social?

[–]Infinite_Metal2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A criminal, being the definition of antisocial, may be very social.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Become ripped. Become "social" media famous, have girls open you. Be hot and use tinder. Do awesome cool things like perform on stage, dance, sing in a band, but then have no friends and live in isolation. Use talents in public so girls approach you.

I'm doing my best to avoid social circle game and that's how I've been getting by .

[–]Rian_Stone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Enjoy that rabbit hole... Don't say I didn't warn you

[–]ebaymasochist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A psychopath has the ability to lie in court to defend a murderer he knows for a fact actually killed multiple people. He has no conscience guiding him away from this. He will not feel guilty if the murderer is released and kills again. He has no empathy towards the victims or their families.

The lawyer is a psychopath and his client, the murderer, can also be a psychopath. The factors that differentiate one as "successful lawyer" and the other as POS murderer, is intelligence and upbringing. Nature vs nurture.

Antisocial goes beyond fighting cultural norms. There are plenty of people who do that and are perfectly "normal". There are also introverts who do not enjoy socializing.

Antisocial, as it relates to psychopathy and criminality, would be wanting society as a whole to fail and everyone in it to die. You literally give zero fucks about property rights, human rights, etc. Theft, arson, vandalism, scamming people, sabotaging shit for amusement.

We've all heard about or knew someone who would go around doing random destructive things for no real reason.. Some guy breaks a window out of every car on a whole block. Nothing to gain. Just a big fuck you for their own entertainment. That's antisocial.

I don't particularly care what they call it now, for so long psychopathy has been the term, while anti social disorder also existed.

[–]TangoZulu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My understanding is clinical “psychopaths” physically DO NOT feel empathy for other people. Choosing to not act upon feelings of empathy is a far cry from physically not being able to feel it all. A psychopath learns to emulate empathy and other emotions to blend into society or manipulate other people to their benefit, but the don’t actually feel the emotions they are displaying.

[–]Rian_Stone1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not a clinical term anymore, but characterized now as Antisocial personality disorder...

But it generally described antisocial behaviour, and your brain wired to be unable to process empathy.

[–]ananyo0073 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

hurr durr muh moral highground

Good, bad... these are made up words. TRP is amoral and so is the universe for that matter. If being dark triad and psychopathy works, it works.

[–]thebigpapadragon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can't "become a psychopath". Unless you aim to damage or remove your temporal lobe.As for using Dark Triad tactics, they are valid tools and I respect they are necessary to have in the toolbox. However, I feel like being Dark Triad is an excuse to lash out at a world that hurt your feels.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

All this hate on Jordan Peterson is making me doubt that any of the mods or even "endorsed contributors" have any sense or understanding of anything. Ridiculous.

True, we've been playing the long con. Surprised it took you this long.

You're right, Peterson's words should not be scrutinized. He's an authority that shouldn't be questioned.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

are you not icinuating the same lack of criticism should be afforded to PUA's? I've seen an increasing amount of PUA advocation on here lately. Is that really where TRP has come? We share some things in common sure, but at worst red pill advocates that you fake it until you make it. PUA pretty much states that if you can fake it, you've made it, and as far as I'm concerned the best aspects of TRP are the ones involving improving yourself, regardless of female attention.

[–]riverraider690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is one of those things where both sides agree with the facts, but they still argue ad infinitum over who's right.

Red pill men use Game. They flirt - and practice flirting, because it's a useful life skill to have, not to mention fun. PUAs also do the same thing - but if you really want to find a difference, it's one of degree. Saying that "Game" is all there is will basically turn you into an empty, well dressed shell. Going out just to practice pick up and playing the numbers will, eventually, make you treat what could be a flirting partner into just the 15th encounter for the day.

Is it psychopathic? well, that depends on who do you want to rub the wrong way. But I don't think anybody here really thinks game is useless. And I think most would agree that focusing exclusively on it is a mistake. So no disagreement on facts.

[–]iLLprincipLeS 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

Holy fuck, I figured out it was some shitty copypasta but I thought it was written by some soyboy from menadvice or other weaklings subreddit.. but it's fucking Peterson, had no idea the guy was such a big cuck. But it's no surprise after all, he has a daughter.

[–]nietzschethegreat 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

Why am I not surprised that you're a self-proclaimed "MGTOW"?

[–]iLLprincipLeS 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

B-but what master Peterson thinks about MGTOW? Whatever. Doesn't mean I wouldn't fuck Peterson's daughter like a "psychopathic PUA."

Pick-up artists are psychopathic. If you don't understand by now, you won't ever get it. Pick-up artistry manifests itself out of a low-line narcissism and inferiority complex, in which the men unconsciously try to manipulate women into appreciating them so their torn egos can be repaired (even if they disguise it to themselves as a method of attracting women).

I could replace "Pick-up artistry" with 'Petersonism' and add some 'inferiority complex' and 'daddy issues' to describe your Jordan Peterson faboyism but I won't bother, because you don't really understand TheRedPill.

[–]nietzschethegreat 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

I cannot respect a man who is too weak to pursue his greatest evolutionarily imperative.

[–]iLLprincipLeS 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I cannot respect a man

Oh shit, time to delete the subreddit if you can't do that.

greatest evolutionarily imperative

That would be to breed as in fuck as many females, like PUAs intend to do. Or maybe you mean "greatest evolutionary imperative" from the POV of a Peterson fanboy which would the slave morality imperative to do the right thing in the interest of the society which would be kind of ironic since Nietzsche The Great called out slave morality adherents as untermensch.

[–]1TRPKiddo27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy

OK, boys. It’s official. They’ve got him.

Stranger, state your ransom price. I’ll pass a hat around.

[–]jibril_132 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hakuna ma tata that RuN on sentence was long enough to satisfy the stranger.

[–]ThatKidinAfrica32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy

He's mocking the JP post, Guys.

[–]JonathanMekerset22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

what the fuck bro

[–]Flintblood3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m not so sure we are dealing with a bro here.

[–]SelfTaughtPiano28 points29 points  (36 children) | Copy

I personally like JP and I'm not going to disown or excommunicate him based on one statement said millions of years ago that offends some idea "I keep close to my heart". Out of some bizarre loyalty.

To do that would be behaving like a leftist. There is parts of his ideaset, like any other, that isn't perfectly useful. Even stupid. I can discard that. But then Jordan Peterson also addresses unique issues affecting me that TRP hasn't even mentioned. Why is that a bad thing? It serves me. It works for me. It is a functional, advantageous set of solutions to present, personal problems. And that surely is true for others, not just me. I just don't get what TRP's problem is with that...

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil4 points5 points  (31 children) | Copy

I'm glad you found a way to keep your faith

[–]SelfTaughtPiano3 points4 points  (30 children) | Copy

Ironic. I thought I was being pretty agnostic, if anything. I get that its a post to test how we react to JP, or to prove a point, or something of that sort. What I don't get is why he's such a threat in the first place.

Look:

If I were to refuse to excommunicate/reject TRP because of politically incorrect quotes on some leftist reddit, that would be a good thing.

If I were to refuse to consider JP a charlatan and circlejerk here on how stupid he is because of this asinine quote, that's bad?

There is no faith. I'm simply curious your reasoning on blanket labeling JP's advice.

I'll start the conversation in good faith: I like JP's advice. MOST of it is functional. Testable. Practical. It goes places TRP hasn't even bothered to go. Understanding how women are is TRP's forte. Cleaning my act up is the domain of health professionals.

One example: TRP attacks "Clean your room" as obvious ("Wash Your Penis", in the other stickied thread, you simply attacked the language, not the point) but consider: the person saying it is a qualified psychologist who uses the phrase in order to make it memorable and to connect scientific jargon to the familiar. He says "clean your room" because we've heard it all our lives and then links it to a scientific understanding of what habits and routines are and which ones we need to construct based on what OUR Goals are. While TRP attacks the words and language, Peterson explains the science of why conscientiousness is a component of achieving any goal, how to build it up and why lack of it as a source of self-sabotaging behaviour.

Is seeing immense value in the above a bannable offence? I haven't seen a single person go on about JP except in valuing viewsets like the above. Tradcon is a phantom menace. Hardly anyone looks to JP for dating advice and his views on pickup artists (like in the above OP) is irrelevant to anyone with a brain. We can distinguish.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil6 points7 points  (25 children) | Copy

Psychologists are the secular world's priests and exist to affirm faith in the established ideology. The establishment ideology here being Liberalism. So in fact it doesn't matter how reasonable anything he says is because ultimately it's being used to affirm liberalism. That's the line in the sand.

The Red Pill is illiberal. Philosophically it's hierarchical jence the use of the word Alpha and rejection of slave morality. If dumb sluts are getting manipulated into getting their faces spidermaned good.

There's people here who arnt intelligent enough to see the ideology behind the rhetoric. They only see the surface level pragmatism. As far as I'm concerned they're subhuman retards. Nothing can be done for them and they shall be purged.

[–]Infinite_Metal1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I find it interesting that JP claims to dislike ideology. Contrary to this, as you point out, he seems to cling to prior ideology as a solution to the problems with the current dominant ideology. He does not do so in the quote above specifically, although the line of thinking does alude to it.

What do you make of the rapidly forming ideology of TRP? I perceive threads such as this one as ideological rather than based on clear communication of truth.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Liberals for some strange reason can't comprehend that Liberalism is an ideology. "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal" is as "I rule by divine right"

A person is always within ideology.

[–]macmeeler1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

exist to affirm faith in the established ideology

So much of what JP says is anti-established ideology.

So in fact it doesn't matter how reasonable anything he says is because ultimately it's being used to affirm liberalism

Yes, because interesting and informative statements become un-interesting, useless garbage when they're being expressed in an attempt to hypothetically "affirm liberalism."

Philosophically it's hierarchical jence the use of the word Alpha and rejection of slave morality.

There's people here who arnt intelligent enough to see the ideology behind the rhetoric. They only see the surface level pragmatism. As far as I'm concerned they're subhuman retards. Nothing can be done for them and they shall be purged.

What the fuck are you saying, dude? I've seen so many high quality posts from you but this is just radical bullshit

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Nothing of what Jordan Peterson is saying is anti establishment. It's all TradCon.

If everyone washed their dicks and cleaned their lobsters the current system feminism and all, would continue to function just fine. That's why it's establishment because it doesn't change anything.

Next if you can't comprehend the difference between Liberalism and Hierarchy just tell me and I'll throw you in the fucking pile with the other retards.

If you don't understand why Red Pill is synonymous with radical your going in the pile.

Your going in the pile.

[–]macmeeler-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

Nothing of what Jordan Peterson is saying is anti establishment.

The number of times I've heard him describe inevitable tyranny of unchecked establishment.. And you want to tell me otherwise.

That's why it's establishment because it doesn't change anything.

It's just not purely anti-establishment like you want it to be. And, in fact, he quite often discusses the toxicity of radical ideologues who seek to control

Next if you can't comprehend the difference between Liberalism and Hierarchy just tell me and I'll throw you in the fucking pile with the other retards.

Oh no, the enraged radical is going to think I'm stupid.

It's not that I can't comprehend the subjects, it's that you present them in such a ridiculous manner (poorly polished with regards to grammar, mind you) that I have a very hard time processing what you're actually trying to communicate. It's like we're not even talking about the subject anymore, you're just spewing fanatical, borderline-incomprehensible ad-hominem mixed with vague, irrelevant maxims.

If you don't understand why Red Pill is synonymous with radical

What? What are you talking about? What does this have to do with anything?

Your going in the pile.

Are you seven?

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Are you smashed?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

The number of times I've heard him describe inevitable tyranny of unchecked establishment.. And you want to tell me otherwise.

This is what I call a teaching moment. Sometimes it take some of the most obnoxious and obvious examples to have that ah-hah moment. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. Im wading duck deep in these examples every day. Let''s observe two.

First, let's look at one of the crucibles of the blue-haired, twenty gendered batshit insane modern American left--UC Berkeley, or as local normies and ubermensch call it, Bezerkley. They do shit that even most registered democrats think is insane, like tree sitting and throwing shit at passerbys as a means to protest the American response to China when it comes to Tibet (because nothing is every a leftist's fault; capitalists used money fueled mind rays to send the Peoples Army in to hoist babies up on bayonets). The observable moment is in pondering the wild mood swings in the administration when it comes to dealing with the loonies protesting: one week they fuck near let them burn down the campus and then the city, but the next week they react so hard that some fat ginger cop becomes a meme on 4chan because he's gassing protesters with tear gas like they are jews and he's Adolfs long lost cousin. Back and forth they go with these swings like they are in an eternal menopause. Nothing ever changes though. Same protesters. Same protests. Same UC regents and city council members making the same speeches about how to come together on issues and then apologizing for all the free hugs and concussions the PD handed out. And then all the same cops giving more free hugs.

Second, let's head to the neighboring city--Oakland. It's the same shitshow, but instead it seems to be where media induced rage is channeled. For some reason, when it's time to riot and break shit because someone on the east coast got shot by a cop, Oakland is the place to do it. Then just take the same script as above, but change some of the actors--because they BART in from all over the area to get their outrage on. And when it happens, it's always the same police, the same protesters, the same politicians, including that twat mayor that couldn't manage a hotdog stand, tall downing the same thing--let them act like idiots until it's time to stop them from idiots. It's like they hit the proper number of stores fronts burnt and op cars set on fire, then they go in an smash skulls.

Sounds a little like a conspiracy, right? It isn't. Conspiracies are something that happen in the shadows, but this is all right out in the open. They let the radicals play their silly games, enough to encourage people off their various fences, and then they crush it.

And who crushes it? The Establishment. No, not the illuminati. No not any specific group of people. No, not Trump or Hillary. It's the concept that our civil order must endure with people all in their proper compartments. They will let the little fire monkeys burn shit down long enough to drive political agendas, but once it becomes a threat to order, they all get shoved back in their appropriate container. JP is a huge fan of everyone staying in their container (and cleaning it), because it ensures order continues. If only he can find a way to force a dutiful, obedient wife in their with you so you stop acting like an incel shit, then his world would be perfect.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Angry Spell Check = Pile

[–]ebaymasochist2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy

Psychologists will be the first person to tell someone that their participation in this modern day shit show of a lifestyle is fucking them up mentally. They'll be the one to say "turn off the television and go outside or read a book or whatever. In other words, unplug from the matrix." They were on the front line of exposing how destructive certain behaviors were in the past and 99% of what people post on here is just psychology going by a different name. The red pill wouldn't even exist without psychology.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil3 points4 points  (14 children) | Copy

Translation: Psychologists will be the first to tell people how shitty the system is and offer coping mechanism for it. At no point will they offer alternatives or dispute it's major premises.

Psychologists are the matrix.

[–]ebaymasochist0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

They're there to help individuals with personal problems, not start a revolution. I wouldn't go to an accountant with a tax problem and he tell me to stop using currency and barter instead.

99% of psychiatrists are not youtube celebrities like JP who feel they need to have an opinion on everything, like PUA.

Most psychiatrists already know everything posted on TRP about social dynamics and relationships. There's not much that is new here.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil6 points7 points  (12 children) | Copy

Well if everyone has the same personal problem it's not a personal problem. Feminism is a societal problem but if you go to a therapist psycholigist they tell you it's a personal problem.

That's the point and that's why they are the matrix.

[–]ebaymasochist2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Not everyone has the same personal problems. Some people dont give a fuck about feminism because they're out there taking care of business getting shit done every day living life the way they want, and one day they wake up and want to kill themselves.. or have a panic attack, or someone close to them dies and there's no one they trust to talk to. So they can go to a psychologist, or learn about psychology and use it to make their lives better.

I guess like anything else you can take what you want from it. By the way, there are so many conflicting ideas in psychology, there is no one set of knowledge that every one agrees with 100%. Get ten psychologists together and they will all have their own understanding and opinions on things. The amount of them who are against feminism would surprise you.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Someone can't see the forrest from the trees...

[–]SelfTaughtPiano0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The amount of them who are against feminism would surprise you.

Do share. On this one point, I agree with gaylubeoil. Psychologists are largely leftists.

[–]ebaymasochist0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

"Finally, modern feminism is evil because it ultimately makes women (and men) unhappy. In a forthcoming article in the American Economic Journal: Economic Policy, Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers of the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania show that American women over the last 35 years have steadily become less and less happy, as they have made more and more money relative to men. Women used to be a lot happier than men despite the fact that they made much less money than men. The sex gap in happiness (in women’s favor) has declined in the past 35 years as the sex gap in pay (in men’s favor) narrowed. Now women make as much as, sometimes even more than, men do. As a result, today women are just as unhappy, or even more unhappy than, men are. As I explain in a previous post, money does not make women happy."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200908/why-modern-feminism-is-illogical-unnecessary-and-evil

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

Individual Happiness being used as metric of good is the textbook definition of Liberalism. You just proved my point. Psycholigists are the ideological guardians of Liberalism (the father of Feminism). They defend Liberalism regardless of their position of Feminism.

The cause is never treated only the symptom.

[–]Rian_Stone0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What makes you think this is a threat based post?

[–]SelfTaughtPiano0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I can connect the dots. Obviously, there's going to be bannings soon, based on some unknown factor. Possibly me, if the criteria was "likes JP", which it seems to be based on what GLO said.

[–]Rian_Stone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

No one cares who likes peterson. I like peterson, it can't be spelled out any plainer honestly.

Dont have one itis, be your own masculine center.

[–]Rian_Stone1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Wheres the value add in this comment?

I still watch the Cosby show, I don't feel the need to tell everyone about it when they are frothing at the mouth over his trial.

[–]macmeeler0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The value add is sharing personal anecdote to which many people relate in an attempt to re-iterate JP's validity as a presence in the RP universe in the midst of a mod-authored and highly downvoted post which clearly attempts to invalidate him.

[–]Rian_Stone0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

We arent PUAs, why care what he thinks of em?

[–]macmeeler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It seems to me it's more about the JP-debate than it is about the PUA thing.

[–]whuttupfoo16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy

All you dumbasses this is a quote from Jordan B Peterson.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

They are too busy barking at the dog whistle to figure out the point of half of the posts on this sub right now.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

We've spent too much time talking about getting swole and not enough time on critical thinking and reading comprehension it seems.

[–]Rian_Stone4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd love it if this sub was full of swole 7th grade readers, meant we are all half way there...

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

We don't have a GLO for critical thinking. Time we built one.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mod is intentionally trolling us? This sounds like what any RP haters would say to justify staying BP.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think this is a social experiment related to the JP post (which was quite good, JP spergs didn't think so)

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is actually hilarious. Very funny!

[–]RPInjectionToTheVein3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

JP is the classic example of applying BP methods to deal with societal problems problems.

You're not going to make trannies stop being retarded by having a discourse with them. Apologia won't get you far when talking to feminists that are foaming at the mouth.

Some of what he says may be very valuable but a lot of his ideas are hampered by excessive moralizing imo.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol

-jp

[–]Kobinks2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Witch hunt? Satire? Or the most profound philosophical revaltion of the modern world!

★★★★★ The New York Timez

[–]ThrowTheTRP2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love what you've done here, it's good to know the EC's and Mods have credible standings since I couldn't not believe this was trolling.

Claiming PUA's are psychopaths is retarded. I respect JP to some extent, yes. But he isn't gonna get my agreement on everything, that's called individual thinking and not a cult like following, and is exactly what the EC's are trying to get people to understand.

[–]redpillskeptic7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

I kinda suspect you're trolling, brother.....

> psychopathic goal in some ways because really the individual doesn't matter

Look up what that word means. Manipulative/persuasive behavior =/= psychopathy

Incorrect, she "matters". Since generally speaking you're trying to have some quality time with her later. You're making value judgements about whether or not she has the characteristics of a girl you'd sleep with (i.e these characteristics generally go beyond the purely physical but also encompass character). However you're not limiting you options to her per se (if one is practicing spinning plates).

> and what they're trying to do is to acquire the veneer of sophistication and that's psychopathic

Wait what? How? So portraying yourself favorably is psychopathic? Then literally every one is a psychopath. Heck, Makeup is psychopathic (using your flawed definition) because she's manipulating her face using makeup in order to appear more attractive.

>what are they doing they're using language instrumentally they have a goal in mind and they know that the goal is right insofar as they're pursuing the goal and then they're willing to say any thing to obtain that goal...

You do realize that makes everyone from mom's trying to convince their children to eat broccoli to religious missionaries, a psychopath.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

+1 Upvote

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have no idea what this is about. Why did you post this? No one here will think this is a sane post. I suspect you have some secret purpose to this. Why?

[–]spooky-1024 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I suspect you have some secret purpose to this

Beyond a reasonable doubt, that TheRedPill is Illuminati.

[–]redpillskeptic3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I now realize you're trolling, sorry bruh. haha

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reading quality replies like yours makes it worth it. I'm disappointed more people haven't been able to address the big problem with this post.

[–]JonathanMekerset3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

This formatting is ass, I could barely read this. It just sounds like rambling nonsense...

You fucking with us RPS?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

:)

[–]1Noblefiz1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

RPS is way too drunk right now

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not not drunk...

[–]Poloyatoki1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The means to the end is justified. Unless who have experienced the horror and desolation of that which a female with NPD, BPD or even HPD can do to you then you will see that manipulating women is not bad at all. Do you think she loves you? Do you think she cares about you? She loves what you are, she loves what you can do for her. TRP however is not PUA here we create real value, here we let men maketh men out of themselves.

If a Red pill man games a women, takes her out, fills here stomach with nice food and gives her amazing alpha dick then she won't complain.

[–]JinxsLover1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you okay?

[–]GAndGMethod3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I disagree. Pick up hasn’t been about lines and peacocking since mid 2000s. It’s all about inner game and meditation and “energy” now. It’s quite sad really. It’s the reason nobody gets good at game anymore.

Idk how old you are, but what you think pick up is, is not what it is now. Seriously no pua coaches even share or teach outer game/lines any more. The only one that did was mystery, and again that was in the mid 2000s.

Also there is no evolutionary downsides to being a psychopath. Only upsides. They are the most successful people and slay women non stop.

[–]ebaymasochist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You just reminded me of the end of the Game when they were at some club and pretty much every woman there was already approached with the material they had. lol. The game had to change because it imploded on itself. stage two was when certain people heard about negging and decided it was the worst thing ever, like people never teased each other before.

Making a tv show didn't help anything either

[–]cyborg_type_darkness1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

You're right. Pickup wants you to be something you're not so that you can get laid. It's all to get female validation and some pussy.

[–]JonathanMekerset6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Difference between PUA and TRP is TRP says improve as a man to attract these women and maybe "fake it till you make it" while on the way up. It doesn't say just fake it.

[–]cyborg_type_darkness0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agree.

[–]Rian_Stone2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Doing anything is always being yourself. No matter where you go, there you are

[–]JonathanMekerset0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

technically

[–]ColdbloodedEdward 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

why do you think psychopaths function well in society? i'm hoping that this isn't news to you folk

[–]ebaymasochist1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

some of them do, but many of them are in prison

[–]ColdbloodedEdward 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

they are because those are the dumb ones, psychopathy is just a mental illness, the smart ones become wealthy, or in certain cases, become president

[–]ebaymasochist1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably closer to a mental deficiency. Illness implies that it can be cured. There have been efforts to cure psychopathy but to no avail.

[–]ananyo0070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I swear I read it in his voice.

[–]oneorigin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

because really the individual doesn't matter

Read something on AWALT.

[–]CocaineOnYourClit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Genius IQ tier 4d chess mocking post that will go over everyone's heads

[–]Mr-Ed2090 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Every means to an end is psychopathic. I feel like anyone could become psychopathic given the correct motivation in life. It's even applauded. If you were to have an idea for even a small business and were to recruit lower level employees to do the baseline work - your relationship with those employees is psychopathic. You'll exploit the value of their labour and dine off the fruits of it. Fuck you might even profit more than 20x the value of which you provide to them. But it's justifiable under the means of market competition. You'll cease to care for their individual wants and needs and instead be obsessed with the bottom line of how much profit they're turning in. People justify their lack of empathy in different ways, maybe they create a narrative in their mind that the lower employees are lazy or you're doing them a favour through employing them on questionable salaries and work hours. The circumstance of you having a motivating factor which outstrips your empathy for these individuals is what facillitates psychopathic behaviour.

Same with women and PUA's. Eventually they've all realised the exchange of value taking place in their sexual encounters and created methods to exploit it in their favour. They've realised that a conventional 'courtship' of several dates is counter to their own value and decided to circumvent the process. Leveraging their perceived value upfront to convince women they hold sufficient value to get laid quickly.

It's the double standard Peterson has in his idolisation of business hierarchies and of women in some senses. The ideal solution in both cases is probably somewhere in the middle. If both were to be 'empathetic' psychopaths - enough disregard to personal wellbeing to ensure that the business operates at a profit despite of itself; and that the employees are happy with their deal made to the employer. Likewise with women - you need enough disregard to press ahead and 'get what you want' and not give away your value upfront like a cuckolded friend zone soy boy. However, there is no one to police empathy, in business or in relationships. And people will always settle for whatever they can get. Good Money > my boss giving a shit about me; Good Sex > my partner giving a shit about me

[–]CoolGuyRy0993110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What if you have ASPD and just read red pill for manipulation techniques?

[–]1randomperson1233210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Peterson's views are not objective.

Pick up artists (and con artists) do possess antisocial personality traits (sometimes to the point it enters the disorder part of the spectrum). This is true.

What throws Peterson's point of view out of the window is the way he goes based on the aforementioned fact.

In short, he makes a good start and goes down the spiral afterwards.

[–]warwolverinewarrior0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Nice try my guy. Ever see Costumer service or a waitress be nice to you? Ever hear a term called manipulation?

[–]zyqkvx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Right. I wish I knew Red Pill wisdom on how to navigate manipulative shit head waitresses and customer service people. Once I asked in r.askreddit. Got bluepill pounded just like I was anywhere else. TIP YOUR SERVERS. <scream scream>. Honestly I skip tipping servers when they are complete shitheads. I don't care about the money and it's psychologically really hard for me to do and I consider it a chink in my frame.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it's like a whole horde of men talking about how to deceive and manipulate women

Obviously JP ever never been around a mamosa fueled Sunday morning brunch with gals still in their Saturday night outfits and makeup still caked on. Par for the course for the broads when they go out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've had PUA friends and it seems to work well for them but it never appealed to me. I don't want to live life applying formulas socially like that. Of course I've learned good things from TRP but I prefer to have spontaneous and natural interactions with people rather than practice and rehearse everything. Ultimately it seems like a very boring and repetitive way to engage with the world. The primary outcome for all of PUA seems to be getting an ego boost at the expense of genuine interactions with the world. OK if that's your thing but I'd rather run the risk of higher fail rates but know I'm just being my own person and figuring things out for myself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's interesting how people even being on the side of individualism and thinking for yourself, as people we tend to instinctively pledge ourselves in a tribe. Even for myself reading any sort of criticism to intellectuals I admire I get a gut reaction of instantly siding with said intellectual. Jordan Peterson has a lot of good ideas and I think is an important figure especially in an age of emasculated men. However I think he is also wrong about God and says ignorant shit sometimes. Even a bad musician can play a few good notes.

[–]SgtBrutalisk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

PUA works with travel and moderate capability of interacting with women; otherwise cruel rumors destroy any approach capacity.

[–]DeeplyDisturbed10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

My brain is going into high alert on this post. I have seen this with 3-4 other major subs on Reddit going back years. It starts with mods allowing all sorts of nonsense on the sub - the more insane the better - but the mods would know how to curate to keep the core audience and grow it. Drama attracts attention.

Then there is always that one post - perhaps this is that post - in which a mod realizes that an alternate narrative exists that is perhaps more reasonable and influential. What's a mod to do? Let the sub shift to a more enlightened place? Lose subscribers? Lose control of the narrative? Let the light shine in and raise the level of discourse out of the gutter?

Reminds me of the story of the Tower of Babel. Can't let the masses learn and grow and work together. That is a threat. And we all know how threats are dealt with on Reddit.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

in which a mod realizes that an alternate narrative exists that is perhaps more reasonable and influential

It's called the blue pill and we've known about it since we started. Post will be up today.

[–]womans_algorithm0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What the fuck is the point of this post? If anyone else would copy pasted JP's speech and made it a TRP post, it would be removed for low quality content.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

[–]womans_algorithm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Syke, it was all just a shit test, I failed.

[–]pras0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most of their techniques don't work anyway. The only time it works is when the woman is horny and she allows herself to be picked up. They confuse this with positive feedback.

[–]zyqkvx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not even. Navigating through social structures is a lot like a running business or mastering anything else. This should not be conflated with manipulation or bad intent. After gaining competency one can run it like a charity or like a casino or anywhere in between.

Every once in awhile I'll tell a beta he needs to work out till he gets a basic masculine body. It clicks with some. Of course most 'disagree'. They want to be loved for their quality philosophies and thoughts. They think having basic attractiveness is a form of desperation and being disingenuous. To think no game is the most natural game is delusional.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nice post, bucko.

[–]TRPMaverick0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Did you never take an English class in middle school where the teacher took point off for run on sentences? This might be the shittiest shitpost I've seen on TRP since I found it....

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's bad.

[–]michasv0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

well, you have point but how is that different than what females do?

most of the game that i know i learned from females.

their outfits aren't peackock? their lies about them being a virgin angels isn't lying?

even this LTR shit for sex is a deal basically. you can say that just how pick up artists try to take advantage of woman for sex, woman try to get advantage of men for their LTR goals they too have a goal and this goal is to secure the highest SMV male and make him purpose to her as soon as possible so she won't hit the wall.

so basically fuck that shit bro

[–]JcHgvr0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Did you stroke out while typing that ? The further I read the more incoherent your rambling gets.

[–]modTheRedPike3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

The best part is you posted this comment hours after several people pointed out that this was a JP commentary and not OC.

[–]JcHgvr1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is this a quote ? Because if this is what JP said word for word that's even worse.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because if this is what JP said word for word that's even worse.

Right?

[–]trp_throwaway_88-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Shit nigga you really expect me to read

ALL DAT SHIT

by u

Listen up faggot, My name is John, and I hate you, All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their days looking at stupid-ass modposts, You are everything wrong with the world, Honestly, have any of you even gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess its fun making fun of people because of your insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level, This is even worse than jacking off to RooshV posts on ROK.

Dont be an omega bro. Just hit me with your best shot. Im pretty much Chad. I was captian of the football team, and starter on my basketball team. What sports do you play, other than getting frozen out like youre playin freeze tag with the HB6s I fucked in the ass in the back alley? I also get straight As, and I have ten bangin hot plates (Two of them just blew me; shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill themselves. Thx 4 reading my blog betas.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Somebody’s account get jacked by meatoo?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

No hacking....

[–]-thro-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hacked account? Disappointed either way.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No hacking. This is simply an exercise in critical thinking.

[–][deleted] 1 points  (1 child) | Copy

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

you read the comments?



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