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Anyone who sees this post and graph and thinks it represents the objectification of men and men only is kidding themselves.
Men are objectified for their financial potential and women are objectified for their physicality.
This sub is SO quick to say women aren’t objectified and moreover than men do not objectify women, and then when data posted by one of their own members shows that women are in fact objectified by men for their looks, everyone completely ignores it. Men’s rights in a nutshell I guess.
Men’s rights and this sub says they want men’s problems to no longer be ignored- but they turn around and do the same to women. Be the change you want to see.
And also. How can anyone know what the causes of suicide are? Suicide and the reasons one takes their own life are far too nuanced and with many people completely unknown.
I question the legitimacy and accuracy of this entire post.
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Lmao.
I understand where the data came from, and I understand the study. I believe that when someone commits suicide their family doesn’t always give accurate reasons for why (particularly in countries where suicide is very stigmatized). I mean realistically and logically these statistics on reasons for suicide don’t make sense.
The post very well mentions both the things without hiding any fact.- they don’t “hide” any facts. But this post chooses not to address certain facts that DO need to be addressed. this post doesn’t once touch on the data it is presenting wherein women are objectified. Not one of the slides mentions this. It seems to me even worse that when women’s issues are clearly presented they are willfully and consciously ignored.
No one ever said in this sub that women aren't objectified- I disagree with you here. Also the fact you have to use terms with such finality ie “no one” is ridiculous. We both know that’s simply not true.
And when we have suicide data based on causes, we'll deny it, woww- I didint deny it. I merely questioned the legitimacy and accuracy of it. Perhaps you take all statistics fed to you at face value without using your own independent thought to question it, but that’s not the case with me. It’s just not how I function in life.
Infact it's you here who turned this into a women's issues when no one said anything about women, we just pointed out the other side- I didint “turn” this into a women’s issue. Don’t lie when my comment is literally right there showing objectification is at the hands of both genders. If that’s the interpretation you got from my comment you either have a big struggle with reading comprehension or you are merely choosing to be selective about what you comprehend as a way to push your narrative. I’ll reiterate since you seem confused: this post shows men are objectified for their financial potential by women, and women are objectified for their physical attributes by men. Read that again juuust to make sure you really get it. If I made this “about women” I would not include that men are objectified for their financial potential.
It seems to me that you think someone bringing up a woman’s problem is “making it all about women”. This is an ignorant way to view life as a whole and communication as a whole. It also suggests to me, that perhaps there is some internalized misogyny going on with you.
I am only pointed out the hypocrisy that this post and the study it’s using is willfully choosing to ignore the objectification of women. That’s it. You can’t twist other peoples words to fit a narrative. Not when the other person has receipts (and In this case, I do).
Society has condemned women's objectification time and again- and yet women are still heavily objectified, as this study shows. Whether or not society has condemned it or not clearly hasn’t made much of a difference in men’s clear objectification of women. (and really, based on media, I would have to disagree that the objectification of women’s bodies is as condemned as you may think).
But finally when we posted data showing men's objectification, you simply turned it into another debate. I think you should reconsider your interpretation.- again, I did not “turn it into another debate”. I acknowledged information being presented by the data. Like I said the fact that you actually think someone even mentioning and acknowledging a women’s issue is “making it about women” or “turning it into another debate” tells me you just have an issue with women’s problems being acknowledged. So, my question for you would be why do you have an issue with the objectification of women being acknowledged when this study clearly shows it?”
(Also, objectification based on gender for men/women isint as separate of a debate as you clearly think, quite the opposite, actually).
I don’t think I need to reconsider my interpretation, I’m simply calling out things I’ve noticed in this post. Things you, as well, can notice. Perhaps instead of asking me to reconsider my interpretation, you should ask yourself why you have the idea that me acknowledging this data as a whole and acknowledging the women’s issues being presented makes you believe I’m “making it about women”. Truly is a ignorant and low level thinking perspective on your part.
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“I can assure you that women don’t commit suicide because of objectification”.
^ This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this sub, and considering the material it’s members give, that’s really saying something.
You actually made some really excellent points, but you lost all the ground you built for yourself to stand on with that one comment. It’s sad, lots of you here demonstrate real intelligence and then you clown yourself with statements like that. Women absolutely do commit suicide for being raped, and that is one of the purest forms of objectification against women that a man can commit.
Men’s rights is not as mainstream as women’s rights, I’ll agree with that. Based on your comments, it’s probably best that it stays that way.
But one big reason for that, is because the people championing the men’s rights movement, people like you, make a total ass out of themselves.
This sub is truly one of the most formidable cases of self sabotage I’ve ever seen. Anyone who’s interested or curious about men’s rights is going to come here, see the circus that is is, and make their judgments on men’s rights based on the likes of the people in this sub.
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“I can assure you that women don’t commit suicide because of objectification”.
^ like I said, you made a point that is blatantly untrue. You can either address it and rectify it, but until then, I’m really not going to place much stock in what you have to say, nor am I going to further address any points you make.
If I’m so mentally handicapped, why are you so invested in talking to me? Quite a contradiction.
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You didint explain in what way this is not objectification. If you can’t explain your argument, best not to have one.
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Men’s rights are taken seriously. They always have been.
This isint advice. I’m pointing out hypocrisy, clearly it makes many of you very uncomfortable.
Hate speech? Lmfao. This is my favorite part of your comment, it truly embodies the men’s rights sub mindset. Bringing up women’s issues in conjunction with men’s= hate speech! Misandrist! Y’all throw around buzzwords left and right and at the same time try to condemn others for doing so.
Well done.
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Clearly you and the other members of this sub aren’t on the same page, then. Perhaps If you want men’s rights to be taken seriously you should have a semblance of unity, consistency, and mutual understanding on the points you are trying to argue.
If mental gymnastics was a sport you would all make it to the Olympics and return with gold metals lmfao.
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I don’t see any acknowledgement of the women’s issues being presented here. Sure they are shown in the graph, but being shown and being purposely acknowledged is not the same thing.
I am merely pointing out that objectification goes both ways for different reasons.
Your interpretation of my comment couldn’t be more wrong, lol.
Did you just learn the term projection? Because that’s not how projection works. You use a lot of buzzwords without grasping their meaning.
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I feel bad for the woman who gave you pity sex. Also, i feel bad for your child, for all the stupid fucking things you will teach him/her.
Yes, women set societal standards, that's why women overwhelmingly develop anorexia/bulimia, why women wear clothing that physical hurts them (bras, high heels, corsets), why women have less money, thus less power, why women are relegated to child care, etc etc... because they just wanted to make everything harder on themselves.
Do you regularly huff glue, or are you this stupid naturally?
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100% fact
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It seems to me YOU are the one not wanted here. Shame on you for behaving like a cockroach and trying to sabotage a perfectly acceptable thread.
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What a sad little person you are.
Go and reflect on your poor behavior.
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