8 facts about American dads | Including the fact that dads work 4 hours per week more than moms when housework and childcare are included, debunking a common feminist whine about men.

blondebuster · 2020-01-12T07:32:15+00:00

The article states that childcare and housework equal 32 hours a week for women and 18 hours a week for men. When I first read the title, I felt like it was stating that men do more housework than women. It took me a few to figure out it was including paid employment hours.

DepravedWalnut · 2020-01-12T05:02:50+00:00

Not surprising

bonkurwife · 2020-01-12T08:43:10+00:00

I’ll change a few diapers while my gf lugs around 50lb bags of cement at my job for a few hours.

Mens-Advocate · 2020-01-12T13:26:44+00:00

Warren Farrell has thoroughly debunked the housework and "unpaid work" lies in his book, Women Can’t Hear What Men Don’t Say.

Just two examples of methodology errors in which studies understate male work:

Many omit men's work on "honeydo" lists.
Many count play with a child, taking a child to a sporting event, etc, as "childcare" when done by a mother, but as "leisure" or "recreation" when done by a father.

The "unpaid work" lie was shredded by Strindberg more than a century ago.

This information has been known for a long while, yet still the lies persist. We need to recognise that gynocentrism persists not because facts are unknown, but because gynocentrism is innate to both male and female. Recognising this will help in the strategy to fight it.

As for which type(s) of work are preferable, note that:

Throughout most of history, the work assigned to women was usually safer than that assigned to men.
For the most part, housework conformed to the female preference for work which is safe, indoors, with limited heavy lifting.
In death and injury at work, male victims outnumber female victims roughly 10 to 1.
Throughout history, men were told it was their responsibility to handle the more dangerous and strenuous work. For example, the muckrakers' exposure of mining conditions resulted in law shifting the dangerous work to men.
Hence the division between inside/outside work existed to favour women.
The concept of women "oppressed" by inside work gained currency only once outside work was made somewhat safer and easier (by tools, etc.).
To a certain extent, caring for one's own children is the reward, the "gravy" in life. On their deathbeds, few people ever regret not spending more time at the office.
As usual, feminism turns reality on its head, presenting the history of work as oppressive to women when it actually favoured women.

NohoTwoPointOh · 2020-01-12T02:18:10+00:00

Of course.

hasegawaryouta · 2020-01-12T09:28:06+00:00

While they’re spending more time with their children, many dads feel they’re not doing enough. Most dads (63%) said in a 2017 survey that they spend too little time with their kids, compared with 35% of mothers who said the same. Among both dads and moms who said they spend too little time with their kids, work obligations were cited most often as the main reason.

bluefootedpig · 2020-01-12T06:05:31+00:00

Not sure about others but I find my work far more interesting and far easier than housekeeping. I'll gladly trade any hours my partner would give up.

You want to work 20 hours at home while I work 60 at work, gladly. Then again I enjoy my job.

If we are talking childcare, while I enjoy bonding, diaper changing and driving kids around our taking them shopping is even worse than housecleaning.

Ketsuni · 2020-01-12T07:20:54+00:00

The data they're showing is from a survey, while research into the divide of housework has men usually overestimating their contributions. Not saying the article is completely wrong, just that an additional 4 hours weekly based on self-report, mixed with this other research, doesn't make things look too promising.

antifeminist3 · 2020-01-13T03:42:15+00:00

I think even this study is influenced by feminist ideology, because it talks about housework/household chores. This excludes such things as yardwork, lawnmowing, snowshoveling, other outside chores, repairs, maintenance. These are all the types of 'unpaid labor' that men do. If you included that, work would even be more disproportionately performed by men.

Lion_amongst_gods · 2020-01-12T10:08:06+00:00

I'm gonna use the shit out of this! Unpaid labour, where are thee now?

disenchantedprincess · 2020-01-12T05:29:17+00:00

Hmmm... I find this hard to believe. And dont get me wrong I'm all for men being more active in parenthood... I just have anecdotal evidence on my part. Being I'm the one that gets up in the middle of the night when a kid is fussing/yelling for me.

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