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Are you kidding? Restaurant gives menu with prices to men, menu with NO prices to women (forcing men to pay). Government rules that "the restaurant has been discriminating against women" !!!!!

AndrewLevin

October 23, 2019
193 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/peruvian-restaurant-fined-serving-women-different-menu-than-men
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Title Are you kidding? Restaurant gives menu with prices to men, menu with NO prices to women (forcing men to pay). Government rules that "the restaurant has been discriminating against women" !!!!!
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AndrewLevin

Upvotes 193
Comments 50
Date October 23, 2019 3:51 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/dm17yl/are_you_kidding_restaurant_gives_menu_with_prices/
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Comments

[–]Men-Are-Human 100 points101 points102 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The popular tourist destination defended the practice as allowing women “to enjoy a romantic evening with their partner, without taking into account the cost of the services.”

Men are service animals.

[–]huxepenner 29 points30 points31 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are walking wallets.

[–]xdzgor 52 points53 points54 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That is so discriminatory against women. I'm aghast.

[–]Electroverted 33 points34 points35 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The thing is, I agree. This treats women like infants. Ever wonder how level-headed, empowered women are agreeable to MRAs and very much criticized by feminists?

[–]Nicoloks 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This. My wife would be pissed more than me if this were to happen to us.

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it doesn't treat women like infants. It treats men as being expected to pay. Have you ever looked in on the FemaleDatingStrategy sub reddit? What percentage of women do you think object to the notion that men are expected to pay for women?

[–]username2136 39 points40 points41 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What about a woman who eats there by herself? What about lesbians? This plan is full of holes.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You find out your semi decent burger costed $100 after the fact.

[–]emjaytheomachy 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What about lesbians? This plan is full of holes.

By definition.

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You really think they're not going to hand a single woman, or 2 women together the menus with prices?

[–]LordBogus 32 points33 points34 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So a restaurant that gives no prices to woman is illigal, but a restaurant that charges men more than woman is legal? #clownworld

[–]Dvisar 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Nah it's cause the "wage gap".

[–]insane_playzYT 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What is this "wage gap" you speak of?

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Google it. It's everywhere.

[–]insane_playzYT 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you genuinely believe it exists?

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From what I've read, the largest part of it is due to the different choices men and women make. And, I can't help but think the fact that women choose men for money has to be a major, under-appreciated factor. We see that marriage is declining because women find men more and more economically unattractive.

I worry that they'll pass laws mandating equal pay despite the fact that men work harder and longer, while men still have to work harder and longer to make the same money that women do for not working longer and harder. Akin to lowering STEM standards for women, alone.

[–]Nybaz 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Used to be common practice here in Italy. Luckily, it's not anymore.

[–]Doc911 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Still was last time I was in Ravello, Amalfi. In fact, tends to happen now and then in hi end dining, I think happened to me in Venice as well.

[–]RIPOldAccountF 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you still give business to those establishments once you see this? Just curious.

[–]Doc911 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When traveling, I tend to ease my “judginess” of cultural practices ... which I would consider this to be.

As harsh and as “debaty” I can be when at home in North America, so can I be flexible when traveling.

[–]RIPOldAccountF 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hmm I see, interesting. Just wanted to know how committed someone who actually comes to a mens rights subreddit would be. I see youre at negative 1 just want to let you know I didn't downvote or judge you :)

[–]Doc911 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A traditional culture with traditional "roles" does not require me to judge all of their practices or bring my rage of what I am seeing in North America to them. Frankly, they are often more balanced to begin with having not seen their pendulum of "man vs woman" swing wildly in both directions of "grab her p*ss*" and "men must die." The elderly woman in Sicily remembers her boys went to war and some did not come back, the elderly man remembers at least one woman in the family dying to create their family and the love of that family. There is respect in both directions for what we are and can be as either man or woman, which is what I truly believe is the worst thing that has been lost ...

While in Ravello I may have gotten the menu with the prices on it, I also did not get chewed out for opening the door for a woman ... which these days in North America is risky if you happen to do this for the wrong easily triggered person who will either see it as an advance, a misogynistic subconscious feeling that women are inferior, or some kind of secret handshake of the patriarchy expressed through door opening and hidden winks.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

When was this? I live near there and it used to happen a few years back but I haven’t seen it in a while. Used to piss me off, not because I felt discriminated against but because it seemed a bit shit for my partner that he was expected to pay. I mean what if it was my turn? Or a treat for his birthday or something?

[–]Doc911 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My partner is a brain surgeon, she was amused at the old world "charm" but stated quite clearly she would not have tolerated this back home. She pays her way when she damn well pleases as well, she would agree with you.

Ravello, Amalfi : I just looked at the photo, it was 2013, at Rossellini's, Palazzo Avino.

Venice : would be 2015-2018 though I cannot remember which restaurant specifically and have no photos, it was less striking when it occurred again.

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, poor you.

What percentage of women do you think are going to be upset that men are expected to pay?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Probably not very many, but possibly more than you think.

Question: where did you get that I felt personally attacked by the menu? I just thought it was stupid, outdated and put unnecessary pressure on the guy to pay.

Edit: if you read the comment again it literally says I was pissed off for my husband, not for myself.

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're right. I totally overlooked that you were annoyed by the expectation placed on your husband. My bad.

I was all self-righteous about the notion that women feel demeaned when they're not expected to pay. Wrong.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well probably some women do. Some people are prepared to be offended by literally anything.

Don’t worry about it, this is the internet. At least half of what takes place is probably miscommunication of some sort :) Plus tbf the way things are at the moment I’m not surprised you jumped to that conclusion.

[–]OrionTheWolf 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So if the restaurant forces the man to pay its sexist, but fine for a woman to play mind games to trick a guy into paying?

[–]Pathfinder24 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like when women were discriminated against by not being compelled by the government to fight and die in a war.

[–]Ohertek 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cant she order for herself and both eat free, loopholes people.

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Women are the primary victims of paying for their own food. They lose their husbands, partners and boyfriends to it.

-Hillary Robhim Clinton

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Robhim

Well done.

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice username!

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

YES! That would be the epitome of gynocentrism. Guys dying, so that their women could be safe, is less important than the fact that those women have been deprived of those dead men. How completely selfish of those men!!!

[–]nisutapasion 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this is nor new at all.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So if the whole matriarchy of the family (Grandmother, aunts, daughters, nieces) go there with no male, they eat for free!

Then like penguins, when they get back home, they regurgitate and feed the males in the family.

[–]skepticalbob 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There aren't details on the case, but if a woman brought the suit in the US, she wouldn't have standing to claim discrimination based on her male gender.

[–]PsychoPhilosopher 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

On the flipside, she can't intentionally order the most expensive thing to 'test' you.

So I don't know... I kinda like the idea, so long as you were going to pay anyway?

[–]tenchineuro 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On the flipside, she can't intentionally order the most expensive thing to 'test' you.

I'm sure that if she does not already know she can make an informed guess.

[–]MarsNirgal 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think this discriminates against both sexes, just in different ways. It assumes the men WILL pay, and assumes that the women CAN'T pay.

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're rather missing a rather blatant point there that men are being charged while women aren't. Are you really that incapable of seeing how the restaurant is trying to screw over men or are you just not reading carefully?

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah. It means the restaurant, from long, long experience, knows that the man will be paying.

[–]Reverend_Vader 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a great ruling

Now my dates will know exactly how much they are paying for their share of our date.

[–]turbulance4 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They worded it obviously wrong. But I support the fine enforced. Let's not get too outraged about this one eh?

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gynocentrism, is what this is. Men being expected to pay somehow discriminates against women, because everything is about women.

MGTOW, for the peace and quiet.

[–]FortntieFan248 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait this is 2019 can I just identify as female then who’s gonna pay? (I’m joking)

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The obvious implication is that men are expected to pay. Yet, some women found this to be still more discrimination against women. I begin to appreciate the term 'gynocentrism' more and more.

[–]TAMMYTERESA 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As someone that dines alone alot I wonder which menu I would have gotten ?

And what happened if the woman decided she was paying instead of her guy? I' guess I'd be forced to switch menu's

[–]EvilLothar 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So as the man, I would order off of the woman's menu, so you both get free food. No prices on the menu, no charge for food....

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