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Skirts are cool, boys are told: School bans shorts in summer in favour of 'gender neutral' uniform policy. The school has said boys who find trousers too hot in the summer months should instead wear a skirt.

furchfur

June 4, 2018
241 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5801487/Oxfordshire-school-bans-shorts-summer-favour-gender-neutral-uniform-policy.html
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Title Skirts are cool, boys are told: School bans shorts in summer in favour of 'gender neutral' uniform policy. The school has said boys who find trousers too hot in the summer months should instead wear a skirt.
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furchfur

Upvotes 241
Comments 54
Date June 4, 2018 7:16 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/8ofdz6/skirts_are_cool_boys_are_told_school_bans_shorts/
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Comments

[–]ilikerelish 71 points72 points73 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This makes complete sense to me.. Ban the unisex garment that had always been gender neutral, in favor of one that is specifically gendered that may cause half of your student body discomfort, and ridicule Good show!

[+]SchalaZeal01 -13 points-12 points-11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

that had always been gender neutral

70 years isn't always.

You know tights were designed for men?

But yea, its stupid for the unisex-now to be banned in favor of the gendered version.

[–]ilikerelish 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Closer to 88 years, if you want to go by wikipedia, and exclude knickerbockers and short pants. Shorts themselves have been unisex since the word was used to describe them

Yah, surprisingly enough, I did know that tights were for men, back as far as the dark ages.

As you said.. The particulars are pretty irrelevant, only the idea that something so contrary to logic has been done.

[–][deleted] 87 points88 points89 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

This is humiliating and demoralizing, what the fuck are they thinking? doesn't the school board have a say in schools anymore?

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why not just let girls wear shorts too?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is just spiteful revenge because women are being outed as pieces of shit.

[–]sakura_drop 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right? I'm not a big skirt girl myself, so I used to wear shorts with opaque tights during the hotter months when I was in high school. And I remember a lot of girls used to wear skorts in primary school.

Come to think of it, skirts weren't a very popular garment choice at either of my schools... Most of the girls (myself included) preferred trousers.

[–]hotpotato70 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some teachers like to look up girls skirts, others have been waiting to look under boys skirts.

[–]BlindGardener 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck you, skirts ARE cooler in summer months. You're one of the people men need to fight against to get their damn right to wear whateverthefuck they want!

Oh, I missread. They're BANNING shorts, not permitting skirts to be worn as well. Nevermind. Fuck them!

[–]tehDemonseye 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article says they're allowed to wear skirts per the "gender neutral" rule so that everyone can wear a skirt or trousers to not discriminate against transgender students.

Still, it's awful because you get to choose between something uncomfortable but "normal", or something comfortable but ridiculous... (at school, nonetheless. Have these people who make the rules ever been at school? Where you get bullied for literally anything?)

[–]thrway_1000 36 points37 points38 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sexism under the guise of "gender neutral".

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[–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Social engineering

[–]ShadowMario01 56 points57 points58 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A good time to be Scottish, then

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Normalize cross dressing.

[–]VoxVirilis 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Generation SheZow.

[–]maxcorrice 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Traps for LIFE

[–]Florient 28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not really about the uniform, it's more psychological subversion. It's subconsciously conditioning the idea that boys are lesser people by blatant and non-sensible treatment. It's part of a million little states towards the true second class citizenship feminists aspire to

[–]LedZeppelin1602 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This isn’t gender neutral it’s feminisation. It if was neutral they could wear shorts or skirts

[–]furchfur[S] 59 points60 points61 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Probably this policy is illegal under UK law. It would be forcing boys to comply with a policy outside a gender norm. It is like saying to girls you are only allowed to wear swimming trunks not swimming costumes. I am sure that the policy will be found illegal.

[+]Mac4491 -52 points-51 points-50 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

There is a very obvious difference between a no shorts policy and a policy that tells young girls that they can't cover up their developing breasts.

It would be forcing boys to comply with a policy outside a gender norm

If they were being forced to wear skirts then yeah, but they're not. Nobody is forcing them to wear anything outside of gender norms. They're just being told that skirts are an acceptable option as well as trousers.

[–]bufedad 38 points39 points40 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah they have a choice to sweat to death, or wear a skirt. But they aren't forced to wear skirts

[+]Mac4491 -47 points-46 points-45 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

sweat to death

Well that's a huge exaggeration right there.

[–]bufedad 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not much of one. They've hot extremely hot summers in the UK of late. Since this is unusual, they don't actually have AC in the schools, or many businesses.

It's gotten so bad that companies have started abandoning the suit and tie requirements for men because it was unsafe.

[–]KDulius 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not just the heat of our summers recently that is the killer.

I've sat in 30+ C and felt ok before now.

The killer is the fact you're never that far away from the sea in the UK (I think it's something like 150 miles at most off the top of my head) so it gets very very humid when it gets hot.

I was at a competition recently and it was 26C and 85% humidity and I literally couldn't drink water fast enough to avoid dehydration issues towards the end of the day

(Yes I'm aware other countries are hotter and more humid but I'm British, we're not used to this)

[–]Bot_Metric 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Thaurane 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You need to look up how heat exhaustion and heat stroke works.

[–]furchfur[S] 29 points30 points31 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The school by stating boys can wear a skirt is admitting that it is unfair in hot weather to force boys to wear long trousers.

Then comes the OK so why are the school humiliating the boys by making them wear an item of clothing normally worn by girls in order for them to stay cool in the hot summer.

They do not really want boys to wear skirts. They just do not want to be accused of discrimination.

The school will have to change it. Other schools that have tried to stop boys wearing shorts in hot weather have always backed down rather than face a court since it is not a case they can win at all.

[–]Akesgeroth 34 points35 points36 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds like humiliation to me.

[+]sprogger -7 points-6 points-5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like fun to me :p

[–]WilboCop 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One more way schools are trying to force males into being female.

[–]njullpointer 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm all for letting boys wear skirts and girls wear trousers, but this is just ludicrous, and probably illegal. Every time I think my home country can't fall any lower, they find a new low.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Equality: girls get the choice of summer clothes, boys don't.

Equality!

[–]HotDealsInTexas 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sigh...

A few years ago, I heard about male students intentionally showing up in skirts as a protest of a shorts ban - might've been at a different school. But apparently this one took it as inspiration.

Here's the thing. Boys should have the option of wearing clothes that conflict with gender roles. However, spitefully forcing it on them is disgusting and borderline abusive; and let's be clear, this is what's happening here. "You can wear uncomfortable clothing or humiliating clothing" is a textbook example of a sadistic choice, and it seems to be out of a power-tripping mindset where some official went: "Those little bastards want shorts? All right, you don't like our fucking trousers, then wear a fucking skirt! That'll teach you to ask to be treated like human beings!"

[–]Sasha_ 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So the boys have to wear a kilt? Isn't that cultural appropriation of Scottish heritage?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The boys should put on skirts that go to their mass and have shorts underneath. If the school enforces skirt length, file a complaint against any female who violates that length

[–]Splatriarchy 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A gender neutral policy would be to allow boys and girls to wear skirts or shorts. Let them choose.

[–]fingerboxes 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Britain is a failed state.

[–]Pseudonymble 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great. I just invented a fashionable new skirt, that sews the middle of the front to the middle of the back, emulating two "leg" holes! It's so fresh and fun, and empowering for young girls.

[–]3-10 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Aren’t these called kilts when men wear it? All jokes aside, it is an attempt to normalize transgenderism. Simple as that.

[–]lordtyp0 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Kilts are comfy... Want to subvert policy? Subvert their intent.

[–]superzepto 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Have they forgotten that kilts exist?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I was going to that school, I'd just say fuck it and wear shorts. Nobody's gonna stop me from living comfortably.

[–]xetnies 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

hi

[–]dewse -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying wearing clothes can change your sexuality? These kids may wear skirts/kilts, but at least they went to school. Can't say the same about you.

[–]xetnies 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

hi

[–]dewse -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Or I could point out how stupid your statement was and make a very hasty and shallow assessment of your general intellect.

[–]xetnies -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

hi

[–]dewse 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell us again how you worry that skirts will turn guys gay. I've never seen a man fear a piece of cloth.

[–]Blu3Skies 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He tried on a skirt one time and 20 dicks instantly appeared in his mouth. Legend has it he's still fighting them off.

[–]Dark_Moose 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So...kilts?

[–]BigBaldHaggis -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's a Daily Mail article. I'm taking a very large pinch of salt on this story

[–]svenskbitch -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Was there not a few cases where boys actually tried this and were sanctioned? Anyone remember?

As a non-gender conforming (well, a bit, not much) man, I think it would be cool if boys would wear skirts. Mix things up a little. Why should this be more controversial than women wearing trousers?

But of course, the inequality lies in the simple fact that boys would have to break gender norms to get the same level of comfort as girls. Norms that, in the peer group at least, are still strictly enforced. At most, this might happen as part of a concerted, rebellious, group-based action; few individual boys would be able to summon the courage otherwise.

That is a tangible inequity that we all should oppose...

[–]pizzagroom 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree. Skirts can be way more loose, and provide a lot of space and air flow. But you shouldn't be banning shorts and forcing boy's to wear skirts, that's like the exact thing women fought over 70 years ago

[–]svenskbitch 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. All I tried to do was to be a bit more precise on why we should not be banning shorts: because girls that wear skirts do not have to overcome anywhere near the stigma that boys would have to overcome this state of affairs basically, save for a few unlikely scenarios, condemn boys to wearing long trousers.

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