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Update to the release of "The Red Pill (2016)" - October 6th 2016.

agiganticpanda

March 21, 2016
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Title Update to the release of "The Red Pill (2016)" - October 6th 2016.
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agiganticpanda

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Date March 21, 2016 9:21 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
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Comments

[–]agiganticpanda[S] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I also found a listing in an art movie theatre saying the 7th: http://www.cinemavillage.com/chc/cv/show_movie.asp?movieid=3705

[–]Lethn 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a date that's starting to come out now though so that's nice, there's a lot I'm looking forward to this year.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]agiganticpanda[S] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No idea! I'd assume it'd be limited to indie theaters and art houses

[–]tallwheel 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Widely played everywhere? No chance. I'm guessing if we're lucky, you might be able to find a small theater doing a screening if you live in a large city in the U.S.

[–]agiganticpanda[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It will likely be available digitally pretty early on.

[–]tallwheel 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. As I don't live in a large U.S. city, I am guessing this, and the subsequent DVD, will be the only way I will be able to see this.

[–]rg57 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Great news today! (but the page says Oct 7, now)

[–]agiganticpanda[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well - that better matches up with the other link I found. Maybe Cassie Jaye found this and was like "oh shit!" 😛

[–]Xemnas81 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

A) Great!

B) If half of you totally disavow the MRM of TRP, why the fuck is this film called The Red Pill

Edit: sorry missed her AMA, disregard b)

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

B) marketing.

It's very very very easy to change the name of a movie prior to release.

But "Red Pill" just sounds catchier and less documentaryish than "Men's rights movement".

(Plus she can troll this sub by tying you guys to the worst rumors and criticism TRP ever got)

[–]RobDog101 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I for one don't disavow TRP, but I think it deals with issues distinct from, if relatable to, legal rights. It's also kinda irrelevant to me because I do not personally have much need to understand women's nature when it comes to relationship. Even though I do because of having three older brothers with tons of girlfriends under their combined belts.

[–]Xemnas81 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What do you feel is women's nature?

[–]RobDog101 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now there's a broad question.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're asking how a watch works. For now just keep an eye on the time

[–]SilencingNarrative 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Just did a quick google search on The Red Pill to see what articles have been written about her and came across this one, which had the following in it:

I’ve gotten a lot of emails from people high up in the film industry who not only support it, but even wanted to make it, but they felt it would be career suicide.

Ive been a fan of hers for some time now, but not run across that quote of hers. That is very encouraging.

Ive often thought that hollywood could have a huge impact in breaking the taboo against extending compassion towards men and boys any time they wanted. All it would take was a single big name director to take a risk.

This quote implies that many directors have had the same thought. They just understand how big of a risk it is.

Which makes what cassie has chosen to do all the more remarkable. She has had some success with her prior movies, and is on her way to great things. This movie could be the last one she makes, or it could be the movie that really puts her on the map.

Shes betting everything on us.

[–]agiganticpanda[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well - I know if it's a quality movie I'd tell everyone to watch it - even if it loses me a few friends.

[–]Alkomb 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Neat.

[–]H-4350 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

I'm far too pessimistic to think this movie will show men in any way other than one which confirms the feminist narrative.

Edit: missed an o in "too". I'm my own spelling nazi.

[–]Black_caped_man 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I actually expect this movie to be pretty egalitarian, bringing up both valid points about the MRM and valid criticisms. Given her other work she actually seems to be very good at being objective.

Besides if it turns out to be a hit piece or something like that it's not like that's anything new.

[–]Lethn 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It won't be, I seriously doubt it, you can see from how she talks and in her interviews with youtubers that she's a genuine person and she recognises that the way feminists try to paint MRAs is bullshit.

She may not agree with absolutely everything and that's life and it's fine but she definitely seems to be questioning the feminist propaganda that's out there which can only be a good thing.

[–]BookOfGQuan 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Even if she disagrees with the MRAS 9 times out of 10, the fact that she seems to understand that the way feminism and the mainstream (but I repeat myself) portray them is ridiculous, is a good thing. I don't mind if she doesn't support or promote the MRM, but so long as she's essentially saying "why are these people vilified and treated as though they're inherently illegitimate?", it's a victory. Once people start accepting that MRA voices are a part of the discussion and actually let them have a seat at the table, then people have an actual chance to make their own decisions rather than fall back on It Is Known To Be So For We Were Told This. From what I've heard, she has come to understand just how full of shit feminists are on the subject of those eeeeevil MRAs... which must raise the question, "what else are they full of shit on? And if there are alternatives and counterpoints, what possibilities now arise?"

[–]rg57 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It could absolutely happen.

But if Cassie wanted to make a feminist film, she could have done it with feminist funding. She wanted to make a film they DIDN'T want her to make.

Also, I think if Cassie fails to be even-handed (which is not necessarily the same as pro-MRM) there will be outrage from her funders, and that would cast a cloud over her ability to fund future projects, either via crowd-funding or more traditional means.

I am hopeful.

[–]H-4350 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I hope you're right. There's always that cloud of mistrust over my head when it comes to stuff like this.

[–]justcantwin1111 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

manipulation is common among feminist. the thought men paid to have a movie made by a feminist about men is shocking. to me that is the same as asking a racist to make a film about minorities and make them pay for it.

[–]chavelah 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

stupid is common among human. also subliteracy. the thought your autocorrect adjust to your moronspeak is shocking.

[–]justcantwin1111 -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

you just keep killing those babies girl and remember https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/

loves you so much. head on back and enjoy your stay.

[–]chavelah 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Please God, no reporter is browsing this subreddit today.

[–]justcantwin1111 -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh god you're just such a gleaming light of hope. we all should bow in your presence. oh us men with huge balls willing to stand against oppression of free speech by weak individuals.

now remember girl https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/ is such a lovely place to spend your days as a strong independent single mother.

[–]girlwriteswhat 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She initially didn't want to insert herself into the movie. Her other two full length documentaries, she was completely absent. From what I've heard, people left the threater not knowing what position she or the production team held regarding "purity balls" and gay marriage.

She'd intended to do the exact same thing with this one, but this film messed her up. I think because with the purity balls and gay marriage, she knew where she stood from beginning to end of production, and despite her intention to allow both sides to present their very best arguments in the very best light, the best arguments of the pro-chastity movement and anti-marriage equality movement didn't change her position whatsoever.

This project was different. She actually went into it feeling terrified to be alone in a room with just her crew and an MRA. Any MRA. She believed the mainstream and feminist rhetoric about us. She was physically scared of Paul Elam, and others, that she interviewed.

Her position on the issues started to change as she spoke with MRAs, and her opinion regarding what an MRA is and what MRAs want changed. When that started to happen, she had to seriously question why her impressions of the MRM after speaking with MRAs were so different from what the media and feminists present as the truth.

That seems to be when she decided that she would be an active participant in the film, rather than just an objective third party observer. She wasn't a lab tech examining a petri dish--she was IN the petri dish.

She had funding lined up from feminist organizations, more than enough to complete post production, but when she told them she wanted to maintain creative control over the end product, they pulled it. She had employees leave the project because they felt they couldn't be involved in the completion of her vision--maybe not wanting their name attached to a piece of media sympathetic to MRAs and what that might mean for their careers, or maybe because of their feminist beliefs. She's been told by people that making the film the way she wants to make it will end her career.

None of that sounds like it's leaning in the direction of this being a hit piece. I don't think it's going to be a pro-MRA propaganda piece--just like her docs on purity balls and gay marriage weren't propaganda pieces, but rather, a neutral presentation of both sides' best arguments. But I have some confidence that it will be, perhaps, the fairest representation of what we're about thus far.

I can't imagine, if she still had the same opinion of MRAs as she did going in, she'd be willing to take $100k from MRAs and men's issues sympathizers and then produce a hit piece, either. She was scared to be in the same room with Elam. If she still felt that way, that we are all these violent, horrible, terroristic, woman-hating scumbags, she'd have to also believe that begging for and taking our money, and then making a hit piece against us with it, would be taking her life in her hands. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that any MRA would harm her for doing so, but that if she still believed the things she did in the beginning, she would believe we would.

[–]SilencingNarrative 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So it sounds like she titled the film the red pill, not chiefly because of how some MRAs describe their red pill moment, but because she experienced a red pill moment, where her operating theory of how the world worked profoundly changed. What she thought was up was later revealed to be down, and black revealed to be white.

Given that, i think we should all roundly support the title she chose. The possible confusion with TRP is a small risk next to the powerful statement she would make by showcasing the process of taking The Red Pill as a life changing moment.

[–]agiganticpanda[S] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well - it sounds like she struggled with her viewpoints during the movie, so even if at the end it still has a feminism-centric viewpoint it questions the narrative.

I don't think it will - I think it's going to show that while feminism is a positive ideology for women - it obviously ignores the needs and rights of men using their own statements as proof.

There was a speaker in the extended preview where they said "let's focus on stopping all violence in any form (especially against women and girls.)" what a fucked up statement to make! Could have just stopped at stopping violence.

[–]Vedney 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She wouldn't have lost her original funding if that was so. She really doesn't seem that bad if you watched Sargon's interview.

[–]H-4350 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I haven't seen it. But i'll check it out.

[–]SilencingNarrative 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would be really surprised if she reinforced the feminist narrative, after seeing how she was attacked by feminists and how she replied to them.

I agree that getting your hopes up only to have them dashed is a risk. There are still a lot of things people could do to shut her down, but i think her selling us out is very unlikely.

[–]Herelam 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You must be a MGTOW.

[–]Imnotmrabut 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So who will be the 1st Uber-feminist to throw a Hissy Fit?

My betting is Marcotte - she won't be able to stop herself ... and a Uber-Hasbeen she needs to go out with a bang anyway!

Can't wait to get me hands on my copy of the film.

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

... and I do wish that Idiots would stop with "The Red Pill Only Belongs To Us" crap.

The red and blue pill argument has been ongoing since at least 1837 - and it relates to LAXATIVES.... so just quit your shit! The idiotic possessiveness just looks like Narcissistic Brats in a back yard and no balls to play with!

[–]mochacola -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Confusing title. Title says redpill, synopsis says men's rights activists. Which one is it?

[–]iainmf 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's about the MRM. 'The red pill' refers to Jaye's journey of awakening, like in The Matrix.

[–]mochacola 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I get where redpill came from. But there's been enough deliberate attempt to mix the two together. Call it something else.

[–]ghebert001 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This debate was already hashed out when Cassie Jaye did her AMA a while back...you're not just beating a dead horse, you're beating a dead horse that's decomposed and swarmed by flies. She said she's not changing the title so deal with it.

[–]agiganticpanda[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well - it has more likelyhood of people watching it with such a title.

[–]Correctrix 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that the "red pill" metaphor has been used in the name for a certain shitty subreddit doesn't affect the fact that it had already been used for some time by many people to refer to seeing the truth in society, notably by men's rights activists. For a long time, every Honeybadger Radio show ended with "Remember to take the red pill!".

[–]the-tominator 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Long, waffly post ahead, but one that you might find interesting. I've been hanging around many different parts of the 'manosphere' for years and would like to provide a bit of information and my knowledge about the term 'red pill'. Skip to near the bottom for a TL;DR if you'd prefer to just get to the point.

"Red pill" in the context of the men's movement was mostly meant to refer to "realising that feminism is wrong". The realisation that most gender-based inequality actually affects men and that women are, overall, not 'oppressed' but 'privileged'. Seeing popular gender-political myths for what they are - myths.

I mean things like the truth about the pay gap, the empathy gap, the prevalence of false rape accusations, awareness of the "women are wonderful effect", the unfairness of divorce, realising that women are not somehow 'better' or 'kinder' than men, etc etc. Stuff that we can probably all agree with and get behind. That's what it meant, and actually what it still means in most parts of the 'manosphere'. "Taking the red pill" usually means accepting the stuff I've just mentioned, along with other pop culture myths and realisation that our society is very gynocentric, no matter what any feminists might say.

TRP did not invent the term. It's been used ever since the matrix film was released, to refer to many things. From 9/11 truthers to MRAs, the term is very common amongst many 'alternative' groups.

But I do agree it would now cause confusion, since it is deeply associated with TRP now. And TRP was, in turn, taken over by highly unpleasant/unpopular/unlikeable PUA types a long time ago.

But I wish that wasn't the case, since the term itself is neutral and doesn't really mean anything fixed. It simply means seeing the unmasked truth. I've never really known what "taking the red pill" had to do with PUAs, other than the fact they took over the subreddit by that name. MRAs take the red pill when they become MRAs.

In essence, most of the men's movement have "taken the red pill". I'll give an example of how it carries similar meaning across the men's movement... What it means to MGTOW is the realisation that society is stacked against them (men), that there are unfair laws and somewhat oppressive societal customs that can make life pretty hard for the average man. That isn't very different from what it means to MRAs anyway. It's what different 'movements' do with that information that sets them apart and makes them unique. MRAs want to fix these inequalities. MGTOW are more interested in protecting themselves by not getting married (and thus not exposed to divorce risks), not having kids (child support) etc.

TL;DR

So, really, 'red pill' is a very vague term without context. In the context of the 'men's movement', it still has a broad meaning. It's seeing through the lies of feminism etc. - seeing the unfairness against men. It actually has little to do with TRP, except for the fact they see the unfairness too - and therefore "take the red pill" just as MRAs, MGTOWs and others do. It doesn't have much or anything to do with the PUA stuff in the TRP sub. MRA is technically 'redpill' too.

But...

However, unfortunately, I do see why MRAs may want to be careful or avoid using it, because people outside (and even inside clearly) the men's movement associate it with the TRP subreddit and it's "PUA 2.0" content. And that's understandable, given they have the same name. So I do completely get your argument, I just wanted to give some deeper info on the term itself.

I still like the term itself, but I don't like the TRP subreddit and aren't defending it. They didn't invent the term though, for example MGTOW were using the term before TRP was created and I think MRAs were too. So it is annoying that they've 'muddied' the term and made it hard for MRAs to use.

[–]Dnavich 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

And TRP was, in turn, taken over by highly unpleasant/unpopular/unlikeable PUA types a long time ago.

Your bias is showing

[–]BioGenx2b 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

This. I've popped my head in a few times in the last couple of years and prodded to better understand what it was that everyone was so afraid of, coming from that sub. What I learned each time was the same principle: you are the arbiter of your own choices and nobody else is responsible for them but you.

So while it may very well be the case that PUAs have flooded the sub, it's rather ironic to say that the sub has been "taken over", based on the actual tenants proposed by the sub in the first place. But of course, that doesn't make catchy, baity headlines.

[–]jb_trp 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I have a very unpopular opinion (at least on this sub), but I think /r/MensRights should become more like TRP. TheRedPill is all about seeing reality for what it is and then making changes in your life to get out of it what you want (i.e. Some guys realize that marriage is a bad proposal for men, most women really don't have much to offer even in a LTR, and so they just decide the only logical course is that women are mostly only good for casual sex.) No moral judgments are placed upon a persons decision.

My problem with /r/MensRights is that parts of it are becoming too much like Third Wave Feminism. It's slowly moving towards a predominantly culturally Marxist worldview, where people are basically classified into two groups: Privileged or oppressed. Only, men are the oppressed ones and women have so many privileges. Certainly in many cases this is true (divorce proceedings, criminal sentencing, etc.). But the problem with this worldview is that in order for it to keep functioning you have to find new and creative ways to remain in the "oppressed" category. So in the end it really is the opposite of empowerment. We're seeing the outworking of this right now in Third Wave Feminism... The closer they get to equality, the more absurd the worldview gets.

I like TRP because you get none of that nonsense. It tells men to make changes in their own life (e.g. work out, lift weights, read books, quit beer and porn). And you know what? Men's lives are changed. They see how rotten the system is and they adjust their sexual strategy accordingly. It's effective. It works. And it's what has made men great for centuries.

Every day on this sub I see at least a half dozen shit posts that make the MRM look like we're a bunch of whiny losers because some woman "said something sexist about a man." What's next? Trigger warnings and safe spaces? People will always have sexist opinions against both men and women. Some of these opinions are true for a reason, and some are because people are dumb. The MRM should focus on solving the systemic imbalances in society and should care less about some idiot post some woman put on FB.

[–]chavelah 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If you believe that "most women don't have much to offer even in a LTR" and you decide to spend your life scoring rather than having a relationship and/or a family, that's your right as an individual. But you cannot expect to look like a PUA, waddle like a PUA, quack like a PUA, and have normal people involved in a civil rights movement not find your ideology repulsive.

My husband is forever telling me that TRP serves a purpose for young men who didn't have fathers, and that the misogyny thing is a phase in their development that most will shuck off once they've made themselves into men. But frankly, I think his optimism is unjustified. Misogyny, like any flavor of bigotry, lays down deep roots in weak personalities. MRAs are correct to loudly disavow TRP.

[–]houseaddict 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I disagree that PUA's are repulsive, are slutty women repulsive too?

[–]chavelah 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Depends on your definition of "slutty." I don't find persons of either sex who aren't saving their virginity for marriage to be repulsive. People who lie to get sex? People who commit adultery or stray beyond the bounds of a monogamous unmarried relationship? Absolutely repulsive.

[–]houseaddict 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

PUA's don't necessarily lie to get sex, but even if they did.. I don't think that's really all that bad in the grand scheme of things. Immoral yeah, but not on the same level as adultery, at least in my opinion.

[–]GurlsRspecial -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

This film should be banned, it is hate speech pure and simple and for men of all people to be applauding this is disgusting.

[–]hidden_but_true 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is ok to be afraid. I too am afraid.

We'll see. If it turns out to be a hit piece, it won't change the landscape much. If it turns out to be good, I'll have a film to give to everyone and burn a 100 DVDs.

[–]GurlsRspecial -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It will be a hit piece disguised as "equality" as if women dont have enough to deal with just by being a woman today now we have to deal with sexist women too.

[–]scruffmgckdrgn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What are you basing that on?

[–]GurlsRspecial -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The cast list alone is filled with disgusting sexists. I have been following this "Film" since the start and how it morphed from being a factual piece on the mens movement to just another woman hating hit piece.

[–]scruffmgckdrgn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So basically you're concluding that it's a woman hating hit piece because the men who appear in it are MRAs?

[–]GurlsRspecial -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]lifesbrink 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You really live up to your username.

[–]scanspeak 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're an idiot troll.

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[–]GurlsRspecial 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes I did and its very disheartening

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