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California lawmakers pass toughest U.S. law requiring equal pay

AndrewLevin

August 28, 2015
30 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/california-lawmakers-pass-toughest-u-210528897.html
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Title California lawmakers pass toughest U.S. law requiring equal pay
Author

AndrewLevin

Upvotes 30
Comments 33
Date August 28, 2015 11:47 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3ips63/california_lawmakers_pass_toughest_us_law/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/california-lawmakers-pass-toughest-us-law.972412
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Comments

[–]BigHarryDeal 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The Assembly voted 66-2 for the measure requiring employers to pay men and women the same for “substantially similar” work, with exceptions for seniority, merit and productivity

Since this is California, I assume this is going to be awesome for male porn stars.

[–]Demonspawn 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Or they'll just move all filming to Nevada.

[–]RedditorJemi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That'd be a smart move. However, I have a feeling there's going to turn out to be some loophole in the law. Either that, or courts are likely to very quickly rule that the work of a male porn star and that of a female are not "substantially similar".

[–]AceyJuan 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Substantially similar? But they're not. He's doing all the work.

joking

[–]AceyJuan 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They've already chased many of them out with their "protection from bodily fluids" rules. If the government demands less popular porn at higher prices, the industry will move out further.

Having said that, all the desperate star wannabes in LA are quite the resource for any porn company.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Parity remains a hot-button issue 52 years after the U.S. Equal Pay Act took effect. On average, women earn 78 percent as much as their male counterparts, the Labor Department estimated in April.

When are people going to stop quoting that bad statistic? Every time I hear it, it's like someone's put a Bieber song on the radio. Most people want it gone because it's not doing favours to anyone for it to be there.

[–]Demonspawn 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Nah, I'm not gonna complain. They actually used it correctly. On average, women earn 78% of what men earn.

The problem is that said earnings have little to do with discrepancy in pay, and more to do with dissimilar work.

[–]BioGenx2b 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The wording from the article makes me question what effect this law will actually have. Being able to disclose your compensation is troublesome though. I'm on the fence about it because people can pressure you day in day out about telling them your number, but at the same time being punished for it is weird.

[–]Keiichi81 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The law will have no effect whatsoever. It's a useless gesture made by politicians waging a popularity contest who want to look like they're being progressive while accomplishing nothing.

And it works because the public doesn't care about results, it just cares about the appearance of doing something.

[–]RedditorJemi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Based on the fact that a person doesn't have to be in the right to win a lawsuit, I'd say it will definitely have some effect.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nobody useful makes that distinction, sadly. (No offense).

[–]Demonspawn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In that case: You might like this.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]AceyJuan 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't say that feminists never give up on an issue after they've won. When was the last time you heard a feminist advocate for universal suffrage? Not in my lifetime, because most disenfranchised people are men.

Though last election cycle I did see signs asking women to vote. Rather sexist if you ask me.

[–]eaton80 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure Texas is very happy to receive even more companies and jobs from California than they already have.

[–]RunawayGrain 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So basically this law changes not much, and ten years from now it will still have little impact on wages while making more regulation for businesses to deal with. So the business owners will continue to move out.

I work with many ex Californians, and the main thing that drove them away seems to be how difficult it is to do business due to all the regulation. The Californian firms also seem to be really big on cronyism as well. I've witnessed one company where a CEO brought her entire accounting department from her last job in with her. So for a company with maybe twelve people they wound up with twenty four accountants on the west coast, for an east coast based company. Before this, they had two accountants.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/upshot/the-california-exodus.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_exodus

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The California economy use to be 5th in the world now it is down to 8th. California can coast on sheer inertia for decades but eventually they will have to pay the price for there loony legislation and referendums.

[–]RedditorJemi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think an exodus away from California will be good for other states, and eventually will even be good for California. Having too much development in overcrowded areas is not good. California can coast on its excess of natural resources for awhile, and other areas can benefit from the inflow of people and businesses to an extent that greatly exceeds California's losses. Eventually GDP in California will get too low relative to other states and they will change their policies, and start to once again make good use of their advantages.

[–]gprime 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seniority, merit, and productivity are pretty much what account for the gaps, so I cannot imagine this'll do much to alleviate the "problematic" gap that naturally results from the divergent behaviors and career choices of the two genders.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

That it makes exceptions for seniority, productivity, and merit is good.

If it has wording of the equal pay act that failed in the federal congress, though, it would still be putting the onus of proving that on the employer. Which creates a pretty brutal legal environment for employers.

I support these bills (since they won't hurt men and will clear up the residual discrimination that does persist) so long as that isn't the case. But they won't solve the issue. What will solve the issue for the most part is providing maternity and paternity leave nationwide. I don't have kids, or want them, but I want that for my friends who are parents whose careers are suffering because childcare in my area is a second mortgage.

I don't think we should be labeling this 'discrimination.' It is gender neutral in language and thus also protects men, if in some future environment employers started overpaying women for the same work in fear that they'd be sued. Then men would be able to sue.

[–]ManRAh 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, this isn't going to have the impact that the activists want. It might help workers fight cases of wage discrimination, but it isn't going to just suddenly raise female pay across the state of CA.

It will have the wonderful impact of proving how misguided these activists are though when the "gap" still exists 10 years down the line.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Maybe then we'll get maternal AND paternal leave--the laws won't do any good unless we get both, and both parents are allowed to take an active role in raising kids.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Maternity and paternity have to be separate, though, have to be mandatory, and have to not see a drop in pay.

Many nations have tried shared maternity/paternity, and it still found that Mom opted to take most of that shared leave. Sweden had to mandate paternity, for example. The issue is that leave doesn't pay your full wage, and most houses can't run on reduced wages for both family members, but can limp along with only one on reduced wages.

Men typically make more, so when that decision on which one goes back to work comes, they lose out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I like the Swedish approach. It's important for fathers to be involved from the get-go, so that later, when they are doing their part, their wife is not leaning over, watching their every move as a manager out of a sense of fear that he'll screw up because they didn't learn together. It's a common dynamic and one that is very destructive to relationships.

As to the wage issue--maybe our governments should be taking more action if our employers have allowed our wages to stagnate so much that even a temporary hit to income could be a deathblow to our household finances. Cost of living can only be moderated so much by choice of the people involved.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL. I lived that dynamic, so I know precisely how common it is, but having them both there from day one only counters so much of that thinking. You can't raise women thinking they are innately better at raising kids without that getting ingrained in a few noggins.

As for Sweden, it's an experiment with some limited success. All the articles I've read about it say it's working really well, with the women and the men both enjoying the slight shift in focus, but then again, those articles only ever interview people with really decent jobs and pay where 65% or so of their income is still very liveable. I'd love to see a ground level examination of that policy in the working poor, for example. I'll bet it's a lot less popular.

[–]johnd277 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope it's gender neutral so men can also have access to equal pay.

[–]BigHarryDeal 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Can I still pay two men, or two women, differently for "substantially the same work"?

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent point!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As an entrepreneur I buy productivity. Nothing more, nothing less. If I was told that I should pay more to, say, people wearing pants just because they are wearing pants, I just moved my business elsewhere. It's pretty simple.

[–]IBdeadshadow 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure glad I don't live there.

[–]RobertJay115 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

WHEN ARE FEMINISTS GONNA READ THEIR OWN STATISTICS! Plot twist : they did but choose to lie because it doesn't suit their agenda.

[–]tallball 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Equal pay is already law. Good to see we arnt wasting our time and tax dollars on redundant shit.

[–]alclarkey 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And this will not appease the feminists, because they are looking for equality of outcomes, and this will do nothing for them.

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