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Tinder gender ratio issue

August 17, 2022
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https://www.businessofapps.com/data/tinder-statistics/

A lot of users point out to tinder as what the average female wants, however tinder userbase is made out of %75 men, doesn't that mean most women aren't using tinder period?

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Title Tinder gender ratio issue
Author kokorwqac
Upvotes 6
Comments 47
Date August 17, 2022 7:06 AM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]catniagara 5 points6 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

In my experience, yes. Tinder is billed as a space to get free easy sex and women aren’t interested in that. Meanwhile sites like match.com have more female than male users and are more representative of the population overall. Suggesting that if men didn’t want to deal with an environment where “plain janes are getting hot guys” (but more likely where hookers are scoping Johns, at least where I live) they would use an app that doesn’t promise easy no strings attached sex to its users.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Even on the more relationship minded dating apps looks reign supreme. It’s the single handedly most important factor for both genders and men have to realise that women are simply more shallow.

[–]kokorwqac[S] -3 points-2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You say looks remain supreme but it's not rare to see average or ugly guys with girls on outside

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The exception is not the rule, and those guys are most likely not outright ugly, maybe below average, but not ugly.

[–]kokorwqac[S] -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The point is they are not chads

[–]spergomatic 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

average and below guys with gfs is not an 'exception'. average and below guys with hot ones probably is though.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"look outside" is a weak argument for several reasons:

-it inherently relies on survivorship bias ("inflation isn't that bad! i see regular people buying food at walmart!")

-it does not control for any factors

-it does not reveal the circumstances behind why john and jane are standing next to one another on the street nor the nature of their relation, nor the quality of said relation.

"look outside" can be used by people who want to claim racism isn't real, as well as people who want to claim that people get fatally shot anywhere just for being of the wrong skin color. it is not scientific, it is not statistical, it is not quantifiable. i believe assortative mating is common, but this is something that needs to be demonstrated with more than "ah saw it ah baleeved it"

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But tinder isn't a good argument either

Also women never particularly simped for balding fat guys with acne, it's common sense and not something new though even those dudes fuck

[–]EnteFetz 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly, as a man I have not heard about Match.com before and had no idea that there are more women than men. How is that possible? What platforms would you recommend to lonely men?

[–]Admirable_Bee_8714 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

None. Go out and meet women in social settings, have the courage to walk up and talk to them.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Match com is paid service for men, so..

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find it a flaw on blackpill discussions

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The execs at Match Group have never promoted Tinder as a hook up app though. My sister is on there and she's looking for a LTR. Because Tinder is the most popular dating app in the world. Though personally I think my sister is more likely to find what she is looking for on Hinge or Bumble. POF is good too. But as a mostly free site, you're going to get some low-rent fuckboys on POF.

On Bumble as a cishet guy, you generally need to pay for spotlights (or super swipes if you are dead set on certain women) just to get your card noticed by women. So the guys on Bumble (and likely Hinge) are going to be more serious than the ones on POF. And premium membership helps on Bumble because it allows you to see who likes you before you swipe and you get other extras that are really useful (un-do accidental left swipes and super swipes, rematch, extends, no daily limit on likes, travel mode, etc.)

Personally as a guy I prefer POF and Grindr (CD/TS only, not into cismen). Because its free to message on those apps. While with Tinder/Bumble/Hinge/Badoo, you are at the mercy of the algorithm. Your card rarely gets shown to women unless you boost or super like. If your card doesn't get shown, you can't get matches. But there aren't a lot of women left on POF anymore in 2022. POF is on life support. It's a dying platform. I have paid memberships with Tinder, Bumble and Badoo. And while I did hook up with a CD off Bumble after sending her a super like, I feel like it's not really worth it to pay for these apps. I feel like it makes more sense as a guy to just keep messaging girls for free on POF and Grindr. So many other men are paying on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge/Badoo that you get lost in the shuffle anyways even if you do have a paid membership and buy boost and super like packs.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

easy no strings attached sex

An over-obsession with this is what is hurting us. We're ignoring the law of supply and demand to our own peril.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 1 point2 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

You're right about the ratio. Though I wouldn't say it disproves anything.

Tinder is used to serve as an example of female hypergamy.

There's a common number thrown around, that 80% of women picked the top 20% of men.

Tinder is that on steroids. It's 95% of women picking the top 4-5% of men.

You're absolutely right that tinder doesn't represent the average women. It's generally agreed that women date across and up. Meaning, women on average have a tendency to date men in their league (which is what you're trying to point out, which is a fair point), and above their league (which is what the black pill like to complain about).

What you have to understand about the black pill perspective, is that they don't represent all men. They represent the bottom tier men. These men are so far down the hierarchy, even their own mothers don't love them. No offence to any incels reading this.

So here's the "truth". It doesn't matter if you tell bottom tier men that tinder only represents 10% of the female population. Because for bottom tier men, "warm approach", "cold approach", "online dating" and etc, they are rejected 100% of the time! To them, it's all the same. Women as a whole reject them for being bottom tier.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Blackpill guys are often either autistic men or indian guys aiming for blonde white girls, rather than those who are actually horribly ugly or unusual looking.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

You tell me, what percentage of men do you think fall into that category?

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Maybe like %15 of them, truly deformed people are an unicorn and honestly most women are used to men not being pretty or easy to look at as them.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill -1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

15% is rather large. I wasn't expecting that.

Well, lets just use 15% as you suggested.

The male population in USA alone between the age 15 - 35, is roughly 59,600,000.

15% of that is 8,940,000 men.

How many of the roughly 9 million men do you see on incel forums?

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Blackpill guys are often either autistic men

I wonder how big of a failo autism really is. I was diagnosed as a child and I have social anxiety disorder, generalized anxiety disorder and depression. And while I do struggle with the dating apps and no one in my social circle (family or friends) even think to introduce me to single available women, I'm not a virgin either. A couple weekends ago a femme passing crossdresser grabbed my hand and put it to her bare legs within 10 minutes of meeting her when she said that I was quiet and I told her I had social anxiety. And later on in our date, she initiated sexual contact by massaging me over my pants and then underneath my pants touching my bare dick driving her home on our date. I definitely coast on my handsome looks. Not to sound like a narcissist or anything. But if I didn't have a nice face, I'd probably be incel. And I've been with 9 ciswomen sexually. That was only my first and only sexual experience with what is essentially a male.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Everything we don't like is autism. Basically autism is way over-diagnosed by the internet aka people who have no business at all using that word to describe someone.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was diagnosed with autism (I think PDD-NOS) by an actual psychiatrist when I was a child. But most people on the internet self-diagnose for sure. 100%.

[–]spergomatic 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

well every single incel killer (Elliot Rodger, alek Minassian, Jake Davison) have been diagnosed autists.

in a poll 71.5% of a large incel forum reported being on the spectrum.

45% of autistic men reported being virgins in a study with an average age in the late 30s compared to 0 NTs. 40% or so had sex less than once a month compared to 3.5% of NTs. you can figure out the rest.

16% of autistic men were currently in relationships while 85% of NT men were.

there's more but I think that's enough to answer the question.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's abelist and racist

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

1-I'm autistic myself, i know how it affects people

2-volcel if you only go for white girls

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

1 that's understandable I suppose.

2- I am Indian and I only go for Indian girls

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or they had shitty experiences with women and continue to do so. They are not much different from the woman who says she constantly gets bad or that low quality men. Yet she's not blamed for it but pity for it.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't care for femcels either.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

There's a common number thrown around, that 80% of women picked the top 20% of men.

Tinder is that on steroids. It's 95% of women picking the top 4-5% of men.

This is simple incel talk.

Because for bottom tier men, "warm approach", "cold approach", "online dating" and etc, they are rejected 100% of the time! To them, it's all the same. Women as a whole reject them for being bottom tier.

Are they not wrong? If you are bottom tier you are bottom tier. They may not be rejected 100% of the time, but if they are rejected vast majority of the time it might as well be 100%.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is simple incel talk.

Nope, it's the sheer male to female ratio that causes that. Tinder is has almost no equals in terms of how bad it is for men and it is its gender ratio that is the problem. Women in general do not pick only the top 4-5% of men.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes it is incel talk. The ratio has nothing to do with this. We all know men out number women on Tinder. But you like others think the numbers posted is of active users on Tinder. At this point there are loads of non active profiles on Tinder with people coming and going at that.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ohkay, how about you prove the number of active users on Tinder and their gender ratio. People have actually had women pose as men on Tinder and seen the stark difference between the attention men get and the attention women get. Only a severely skewed ratio explains the shocking disparity that showed up.

If you're questioning the known ratio on Tinder then let's see your numbers.

[–]Liberated_Asexual 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Tinder isn't the only online dating space — even on apps where the gender ratios aren't as skewed — men struggle mightily, and we still see the 80/20 or similar distributions.

Guess where the 80/20 findings came from? It WAS NOT from Tinder.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The 80/20 rating on okcupid was women rating the pics, but they still messaged more men than %20

Still, i think this data is at least useful for those who struggle on tinder

[–]Liberated_Asexual 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And guess what? On almost any apps anyone uses nowadays, you can't message someone unless you match with them. So this finding from OKC is irrelevant.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Further so the data alone is very much dated because it was done when OLD was just becoming a thing. And people where still figuring out what worked and didn't. A lot of men back when the survey was done had poor pictures. As cellphone cameras sucked big time compared to current day cellphone cameras and taking pictures in the bathroom was common.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

but they still messaged more men than %20

Because women settle. Though if I was top 21% in the looks curve for men, I would be offended if my girlfriend thought I was below average in looks! It's ridiculous how women see 80% of men as below average in attractiveness. That is statistically impossible. Less than 50% of men are below average by definition.

[–]spergomatic 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

even if it's true (what is an example) all that matters is the outcomes at the end of the day and on tinder roughly an equal amount of both gender both meet and hook up through it despite the swipe and gender ratio

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that's one glaring flaw with the Blackpill talking points that come from Tinder.

Although hypergamy does exist, some in the Blackpill community make it seem like Tinder statistics translate directly to real life. When in reality, in any given city like 70-80% of Tinder users are men. So by those numbers alone, most of those men will be getting "axed" when trying to match.

Although there is some good information to be taken from Tinder, the data pool is flawed.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Blackpill is too, well black and white. The reality is women will date men below the top 20%. Problem is these women aren't that happy with who they pick and her resentment will steer that relationship into rough seas very quickly.

Same is true for men who can't get over their dreams of fucking supermodels and feels he had to settle for Boring Jane. Eventually he's aviating that relationship right into turbulence or will crash it right into Cheat Mountain.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

A good solution I've been thinking up, is that we should push for a society where everyone strives to date thier equals. So instead of women dating up, and men dating down, they both go for thier equals.

That's about the closest thing I can think of in terms of reinstatement monogamy.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

To do that we need to take care of basic human greed, which knows no gender.

[–]spergomatic 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

how does that not exist already.. unless you were talking about socioeconomic status (even then I'm not sure if that's true anymore with how women are getting more educated). are you actually going to tell me most couples you see have a markedly better looking guy? that's not what I see in the slightest. if anything it's the reverse.

[–]OurLoveIsInsane 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

their talking points comes from THE INTERNET and not REALITY, so naturally they're full of shit as a starting point

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do think internet to a point IS becoming a part of reality however the data on tinder is very flawed with those stats lol

[–]MAGA-Latino 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That Means that the few matches that the average guy gets is probably just bots. They have to keep the men from just signing off in frustration.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tinder's gender ratio problem is 100% of men's problems on there.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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