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Something i noticed about tinder statistics

kokorwqac
August 17, 2022
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https://www.businessofapps.com/data/tinder-statistics/

The gender ratio of tinder is %75 men %25 women, what this means is that even if women literally had no standards only %25 of men could actually get matches or dates/sex from it

So isn't it flawed to use tinder data pool as what women desire? Most women aren't on tinder to begin with

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Title Something i noticed about tinder statistics
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Date August 17, 2022 5:16 PM UTC (5 months ago)
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Comments

[–]NockerJoePervert Palpatine 80 points81 points  (54 children) | Copy Link

Most of the places men look for women are generally male dominated. You can see how bad it is on OLD but theres a reason most men will say their favorite establishments are male dominated, girls pay like half the cover charge or none at all to get into most big events I've been to, and why most advice to men is to essentially go to places that don't interest them but have women and pretend they like that shit.

The number one challenge for any mixed venue has always been getting women to go. Hence why again, they generally have lower cover charges and more advertising and a lot of stuff their male counterparts don't get. The flip side is(off the top of my head from a study I only kinda remember) like a third of men will go someplace specifically to meet women and men will usually spend way more than women while out. Which is why there are plenty of gay bars but you regularly hear about lesbian bars shutting down.

Obviously there are venues and events that lean female but again, they usually have the opposite issue in that the average man doesn't actually want to be there or isn't really interested, but thats a whole other business and behavior model.

[–]throwawaylessons103 37 points38 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

plenty of gay bars but you regularly hear about lesbian bars shutting down

Yup, this is also because lesbians tend to "U-haul" (get into monogamous LTRs quickly) which takes away part of the "purpose" of a lesbian bar.

Gay men are more likely to want frequent hookups, and/or be in open relationships, so gay bars have more clientele.

[–]Notsonewguy7Purple Pill Man/ Ex-hetero 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep.

[–]truthfullyVividbased and cringepilled 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup, this is also because lesbians tend to "U-haul" (get into monogamous LTRs quickly) which takes away part of the "purpose" of a lesbian bar.

Is this really true? The reason I ask/doubt is anecdotal, but I was friends with a large circle of lesbian women in college. I just happened to have a mutual friend and then started buying
weed from one of these women. She frequently hooked me up, and we actually slept together at one point casually because she occasionally swung the other way. Over the years I went to several events and parties with these people too. A large (seemingly the majority of these women) had all slept with each other at some point, either casually or in relationships. While I did notice that most of them had girlfriends at any given time, there seemed to be tons of dating/casual stuff still going on. These were all women in their very early to mid 20's. As an outsider to that ingroup, I can't state exactly what all the dynamics were, can just go off my observations. What I observed though seemed to contradict your take though, so if anyone wants to elaborate more, I'd be interested. That is all.

[–]UrbantexasguyChad's better looking older brother 49 points50 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes you have to step out of your comfort zone, and enter "women's spaces".

A good example....I live in Dallas, and there is just about every kind of bar or restaurant you can imagine here. Lately, I've developed more of an interest in wine (an FWB sort of dragged me into some wine tasting events LOL), and I've noticed that women are often a majority at wine bars.

I think the ability to put yourself in the mind of women, is a huge factor. You can't expect to meet a bunch of women at places where guys are shouting at the TV's, spilling beer, and wiping their buffalo chicken winged hands on each other's shirts! LOL

[–]ChowMeinSinnFein 23 points24 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Ancient men conquered cities & put them to the sword and fire, meanwhile we must go to WINE BAR & enjoy tasteful banter to get gf

[–]UrbantexasguyChad's better looking older brother 22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Ancient men lived to an average age of 30, and that's assuming they were lucky enough to escape the array of diseases that killed 25% of the population by age 12, and nearly half the population by age 18.

I understand your point, and I'm a big believer in the "guys should be guys" motto, but modern times call for modern solutions.

[–]AidsVictim 18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ancient men lived to an average age of 30, and that's assuming they were lucky enough to escape the array of diseases that killed 25% of the population by age 12, and nearly half the population by age 18.

Well that's why the average is 30. Most men that made it to adulthood lived into their 50's or 60's. The upper class had comparable lifespans to today.

[–]Mr_Arkwright 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Real men die of smallpox.

[–]Hard_CorsairMan, Purple, Winner 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you understand that strategy, not machismo, is the core of masculinity, then going to a wine bar fits in perfectly with the idea that guys should be guys.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ancient men lived to an average age of 30,

Apparently if you loved past 5 you were likely to live into your 60's

[–]neetykeeno 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's plenty of camp follower types in the USA if you care to join the armed forces. Just saying... kicking the enemy's arse is still a job, chicks still dig it. And in the ancient world sitting round drinking wine or mead or ale or whatever the local drink is was also a thing.

If you don't care to become a soldier then I don't really know what to say...maybe you're not the conquering cities type, maybe you're the being in the city getting your arse kicked when the soldiers show up type?

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness! 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn. We need to go to war in order to be attractive. Kinda counterproductive on a civilization level these days.

[–]Kobe_curry24 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😂😂😂😂

[–]zack189 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ancient also do not get GFS. They get slave wives

[–]sigma1932 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The term you're looking for is "war brides".

[–]throaway990383890 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats cause you live in Dallas. I guess men drink.. beer there?

I guess you never been to Spain and Italy. The men drink wine more than the women!

In Germany, the woman prefer beer though ;)

Its funny how in Texas wine is considered feminine! Speaks to how crazy gender norms are when you can't enjoy a good Chardonnay without being labeled a pu**sy in some cultures.

Edit: I've never considered wine bars or wine to be a woman's activity. But I come from a different culture, I guess.

[–]OhmaygahhGeriatric GigaChad 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Wine bars. Ugh. If I wanted to drink juice I'd just pop a 2- liter of Welch's grape juice. Now if you said a whisky bar, fuck yes to some Lagavulin!

[–]UrbantexasguyChad's better looking older brother 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Hey, I'm with you....if it were up to me, we'd all drink Gentlemen Jack and Jager until we all passed out, but unfortunately, women tend to have more "refined" tastes! LMAO

[–]OhmaygahhGeriatric GigaChad 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"refined". lol. Most can't tell a Cab from a Bordeaux. god...

[–]Acaciduh 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m a women and I hate wine and love whiskey, scotch and bourbon - we do exist!

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've noticed that women are often a majority at wine bars

I can't imagine this works well.

[–]immoral_mage 10 points11 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

It’s why most guys get their girlfriends in highschool or college while staying in dorms. Getting girls to go to these mixed gender places is only possible because they are literally a captive audience at that stage of life. After that the chances guys have go down drastically.

It also doesn’t help that women feel threatened going out alone. Part of this is due to an actual lack of safety for women but I feel a lot of it is unjustified from movies and tv shows.

This is why when women go out it’s always in large groups and only date guys their friends know.

Personally I find venues that encourage women to attend are far too embarrassing to attend as a guy. It makes you look desperate when you have paid more or received less to attend the same venue as a girl. It starts off any interaction with her from a position of desperation.

[–]NockerJoePervert Palpatine 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I think thats the thing where a lot of events that appeal to women have a price tag attached while also feeling artificial, or else the venue isn't really their idea of fun to begin with. The more emohasis there is on screening for a certain type of person or forcing certain types of conversations to happen or for the aesthetic to be a certain way the less natural it feels and the kess appeal there is.

Which is why I think the concept of tinder appeals to men. Theres 0 barrier to entry and all you theoretically need for it to work is for two people to be willing to give it a shot. But once you start adding membership costs or guarantees or a format where people are forced to have an artificial feeling conversation on goals its a turnoff.

[–]Dark_Knight2000No Pill 8 points9 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I find that women don’t understand that getting into a relationship doesn’t just happen for guys, it takes a lot of effort to find one and tactfully ask a girl out.

School and college is the last place guys and girls of similar ages get to interact in close quarters. Work exists but that’s a whole can of worms and far less forgiving of romance.

Generally young women don’t go alone anywhere with the explicit expectation meeting guys. Bars and clubs are dangerous, and besides not everyone likes getting drunk. Gyms, classes, clubs, libraries, parks, stores, events, are all terrible because the girl is busy doing something (even if she’s standing around she’s likely in the middle of doing something) and she’s rightfully going to be irritated if you try to strike a conversation.

Men get this idea that if a women is required to be around you (like at work) asking her out is going to be uncomfortable or even predatory. If a woman isn’t required to be around you, asking her out is going to annoy her and she’d rather be doing anything else.

All this turns dating into something guys don’t feel excited about. It’s less about “hey this girl is really looking forward to meeting a great guy like you” and more like “okay it’s time to play the game, say the right things at the perfect times to get her to say yes.” That feeling drives guys to the red pill, because it gameifies dating. It’s a destructive mindset but it’s all they’ve got

[–]litgas 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Women know men must do all the work when it comes to dating, but they don't want to acknowledge it at the same time. As it would mean women have to admit do everything dating wise while women dont' do any of the work. This is why women so often claim they can get a guy easily because they just need to be present and do nothing.

If women actually had to do any amount of work to get a guy, their whole mentality will change let alone behavior. Though it likely mean fewer people date as women don't want the male experience as they want their privilege female experience here.

[–]Busy-Record-420 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I feel like it's a cultural thing. American women are just ridiculously fucking lazy, I admittedly don't have much experience with foreign women but from my limited ones and my friend's limited ones, they play a much more active role in dating.

[–]beautifultomatillo2 -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I actually really understand your frustration, I think the best advice would be to make more female friends at these events you go to wirh majority women and once you get to know them well you can ask them to set you up or wingman you when dating.

I really don’t believe that’s “all you got” there’s a lot of supportive constructive online spaces for men. Maybe they’re just harder to find but I think the RP mindset is just more appealing because it’s an outlet of frustration

[–]DreysunTheOne 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Name 2

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How is making female friends at these events going to help men?

[–]jono12132 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree. I also think lots of guys find themselves in gendered industries so work isn't an option anyway.

Clubs and bars aren't everyone's cup of tea. I think many guys go just to meet someone and don't actually enjoy partying. It only really attracts the party types and for a lot of guys that kind of person doesn't suit them but more introverted women are hard to find. I'm also convinced that most women grow out of partying by their mid 20s. They prefer to have meals out with their friendship groups, where they can actually talk to each other and not have to put up with thirsty guys hitting on them.

[–]simonwales 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So where should guys go to meet women?

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It also doesn’t help that women feel threatened going out alone. Part of this is due to an actual lack of safety for women but I feel a lot of it is unjustified from movies and tv shows.

It's called fearmongering for a reason.

Personally I find venues that encourage women to attend are far too embarrassing to attend as a guy. It makes you look desperate when you have paid more or received less to attend the same venue as a girl. It starts off any interaction with her from a position of desperation.

Any female dominated space will be like this for the guy. And you have to tip toe around socially in such spaces any slight misstep means you are done.

[–]beautifultomatillo2 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah because all those spaces you mentioned all well known to be inhospitable to women: sexual harassment, groping and generally abusive behaviour

[–]NockerJoePervert Palpatine 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I dunno, the women I see actually going tend to actually enjoy it. I know more than one person who goes specifically for sexual contact.

[–]beautifultomatillo2 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The main issue then is that a lot of women aren’t interested in casual sex and the men go to those places with that as the only goal in mind

[–]GloomyHousing2657 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any time I go to a dive bar with friends 100% of the men want a blow job in their car between drinks. No thanks, I’d rather go to brunch with friends.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right then when confronted with that obvious fact it turns into “ohhh I’m looking for a relationship”, take one look at the tinder sub to see how men act on that app. Call me crazy but I’m not SIGNING UP to get hit in with dick jokes, I can get that IRL without needing to upload pics and fill out a blurb

[–]supershotmd 16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

  1. You misunderstand basic statistics. It may be flawed, but NOT because it's 75-25 male to female. 25% of whatever the user base of Tinder is, is still a colossally large sample size. But just like the men, those women may not be representative of the population. But we assume they are.
  2. "if women literally had no standards only %25 of men could actually get matches" No. Again basic math problem. It would be 33.33% of men. If the total size is 100, there are 25 women and 75 men. 25, or one-third of the men, would get a match in that scenario.

[–]xDarthVapor 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But most men don't get matches. On average a female will swipe right 5% of the time, 10% is the best case scenario. And they're all sleeping with the same guys (top 20% of men). If you want someone who is 6' in the US that's only 15% of the population, 5% if they're 6'2". There's plenty of men to go around, but what the data shows is that they're willing to be a side piece to the top men more than getting with an average one.

link to statistics

Edit: a word

Edit 2: added a link to statistics

[–]TheAutismPill -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

who said they would? what are you even responding to? i mean technically they do get some, but the whole point is that by the nature of the gender ratio most men aren't going to succeed. according to your link you'll notice that it shows that 20% of women and slightly more men have met through the app, not 80% of women. that's because the bottleneck is the gender ratio.

according to recent GSS data, a bit over 80% of men had sex in the last year as opposed to less than 80% of women, so it definitely doesn't hold true for the real world where such a bottleneck isn't present.

[–]HimNeutron 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also forgetting to mentioned that it’s not necessarily 1:1. Women can match with many people. All 100 of those men can match with all 25 of those women. When it comes to dates and sex that’s a different story, but this logic can also apply to a lesser degree.

[–]SadPatient28 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

i would guess that 10% of those 25% female profiles are real....

and yet, women always tell me, "just go on tinder if you want to hook up."

see what i mean?

[–]TheAutismPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

pretty sure it's survey data and i doubt many bots are responding to surveys

[–]bunniesaresweet 16 points17 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Not me and any of my friends (20sF) have used tinder. We think of tinder as meant for hooking up (vs dating) which none of us were interested in. We all used hinge or bumble. I think those apps have a lot more women in them and is a more accurate representation of women

[–]pearllovespink 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve actually been in a relationship before as a result of Tinder which is why I don’t recommend people to write it off so easily. In my opinion, all dating apps have the same quality of men. But I do agree that people tend to be more serious on Bumble and Hinge.

[–]empresa_josefinaNo Pill 3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I’m 32M and I don’t know a single person who regularly uses tinder. Bumble/League/Hinge/Raya

Maybe OP lives in Europe or is a boomer.

Tinder in Europe has normal people and is quite functional.

[–]throaway990383890 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yup hinge doesn't exist in Europe, so tinder is the main thing that people use there.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London (late 20’s) 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Hinge exists in the UK wtf

[–]throaway990383890 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not in spain or the rest of the EU to my knowledge. Didn't know about UK....but didn't they reject Europe, lol?

[–]empresa_josefinaNo Pill 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes Hinge is in the UK, I actually get a lot of matches in London.

If you use Hinge in Europe, you will match with Americans, Brits, and Aussies on vacation. Almost no locals.

[–]BlackGriffin_1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bumble is even worse than Tinder because I’m Bumble women have to reply first and they never do that

[–]TheAutismPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

even bumble has a highly skewed gender ratio, albeit a bit less than tinder, with 67.4% of the userbase being male according to: https://www.statista.com/statistics/975984/us-bumble-user-ratio-gender/

[–]Flightlessbirbz 12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes, yes it is flawed. Furthermore, there’s a good chance that many of those 25% female profiles are bots, so the real percentage may be even less. Overall, women just do not like Tinder and don’t use it. It’s not so much that all these women are going for only the top 20% of men on these apps, it’s more that only 20% of the user base is female, so obviously most men won’t get many matches.

The same principle applies to casual sex in general. When significantly more men than women are pursing casual sex, it’s going to be more difficult for men to obtain, and women will have more options. It’s not that 100% of women are hooking up with 20% of men. It’s more like only <20% of women are pursuing hookups with any regularity. This might seem inconsequential, but it really changes the whole picture. I know if I were a guy, I’d feel better knowing how unbalanced the numbers are.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You would think that but I can’t tell you how very often I’ve said exactly this and it’s argued.

[–]Flightlessbirbz 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have been argued with about this many times as well. These guys think that most women are regularly having hookups with Chad. They severely overestimate how much causal sex women are having and how much time Chad has for 4s and 5s.

[–]litgas 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most women aren't getting with Chad, but Chad is getting regular hookups though.

[–]xDarthVapor 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And you can find all of this information on the female delusion calculator and male delusion calculator. The data comes from the US census.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Overall, women just do not like Tinder and don’t use it.

And yet they clearly do. If Tinder had no women men won't be there. So clearly women are on the the app. And enough women do in fact like it enough to be on it.

I know if I were a guy, I’d feel better knowing how unbalanced the numbers are.

Why would you feel better knowing the data? You already know you get next to no likes unless you are attractive.

[–]Flightlessbirbz 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course there are some women on Tinder. Just not nearly as many as most men think or as many as Tinder wants you to think. Probably not even 25%. But if men are widely aware of that, they won’t use it, and Tinder loses money.

Why? Because if I were getting zero or just a handful of matches on an app, I’d feel better knowing there were far fewer men than women, than thinking it was about even and just none of the men wanted to match with me. It makes a difference.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's nothing proving or showing Tinder has a demographic of less than 25% women on the app. If it was really that low men be leaving the app, but they aren't. Yes men out number women on Tinder, but its not as drastic as you think either. Mind you men on ALL dating apps don't get many matches.

[–]TheAutismPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

to be fair i think the data is based on surveys which i doubt many bots are responding to. the gender ratio is however even more skewed in some locations such as the UK.

in regards to the casual hookup dynamics, i think that there is a promiscuous minority of women who spread their legs for a lot of guys just like the 'chads' get a lot of women to spread their legs, which kind of balances it out. that's why 20% of BOTH genders have most of the sex.

[–]Super-Peoplez-S0Lt 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This isn’t a ground breaking discovery. Men outnumbering women on many OLD apps is already common knowledge.

[–]Play_Mutednormie trying to become chadlite 29 points30 points  (84 children) | Copy Link

someone doesnt know math.

only 25% of men wouldnt get matches 1/3 guys would get matches and thats 33.3333...%

and tinder has less females because they get whatever they want in couple of days meanwhiles most guys have to swipe for months till they get something but if you look at account creation traffick the numbers are really close.

[–]UrbantexasguyChad's better looking older brother 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, actually there is increasing evidence that women are swearing off of dating apps, for much longer periods of time, and in greater numbers. Harassment, lying about intentions, and the general poor quality of guys on the apps, play a role. Texas has recently passed new online harassment laws for women.

Tinder went from 60/40 to around 80/20, in just 5 years, worse if you exclude Instagram and Onlyfans girls.

[–]SoopaHottWhat dat mouf do? 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If these men were looking for relationships and not causual sex they likely wouldnt be swiping for months. Women do not get what they are looking for in a few days They get a few dick pics a couple netflix and chill requests and leave the app

[–]BlackGriffin_1 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Learn to swipe properly and stay within your league if you don’t want dick pics

[–]SoopaHottWhat dat mouf do? 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They all send dick pics my guy

[–]BlackGriffin_1 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men who are 2s don’t send duck pictures because they know they barely get any matches

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 14 points15 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

"what they want" would still take a man off the app wouldn't it?

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Right? For every one woman who gets off for ‘finding what she wants’ that would equal one man which would mean the numbers were accurate.

[–]EveryNizastar 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The guys stays on there lol

[–]Play_Mutednormie trying to become chadlite 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

you think the type of guy they match settles for one girl? even next day he is still on tinder playing the numbers game

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ok so she didn't get what she wanted.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This really isn’t helping your argument

[–]Play_Mutednormie trying to become chadlite 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

how so

[–]delight-n-angers 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

got any numbers to back that up?

[–]Play_Mutednormie trying to become chadlite 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

no

[–]Kentucky_Supreme 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The closest thing would be the endless videos on TikTok from those women claiming that "all men cheat" and "men are trash" etc. Lol.

[–]Mobrowncheeks -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh wouldn’t it? Lmao

[–]beautifultomatillo2 5 points6 points  (49 children) | Copy Link

No it’s because tinder is fucking awful for women, it’s pretty well known that the guys on there are only looking for a hookup and act crazy and abusive when you meet them in person

[–]Play_Mutednormie trying to become chadlite 15 points16 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

acting like women dont look for hook ups

[–]beautifultomatillo2 1 point2 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

It’s not just about hookups it’s also how they speak to you. Not even starting with “hi”. That’s the problem.

[–]Play_Mutednormie trying to become chadlite 12 points13 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

because y'all ignore anyone who messages you hi lmao

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male 10 points11 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

tinder is fucking awful for women

Out of curiosity, can you name anything that isn't "fucking awful for women" (according to women)?

Or alternately, can you name something that you believe is fucking great for men?

I'm just curious because this seems to be a pattern.

[–]empresa_josefinaNo Pill 10 points11 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

“Bad for women” is mostly defined as “there are guys I’m not interested in pursuing me.” So any social venue is “bad for women.”

Women say they get harassed on the street, at bars, at clubs, at church, at the grocery store, on airplanes, at work, on dating apps, etc. These are also places where women recommend guys look for partners.

This seeming contradiction disappears when you realize it’s harassment if the guy is undesirable, and it’s not harassment if he’s desirable.

[–]Kaylxx_smNo Pill -2 points-1 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Once again, there is a difference between being asked out and being harassed.

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edit since people don't know what harassment is: "aggressive pressure or intimidation".

[–]beautifultomatillo2 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How about Tinder is bad for everyone and both genders struggle with dating in different areas.

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yeah you already said it was bad. I'm just wondering if you can point to anything that's good. Doesn't even have to be dating-related.

[–]SoopaHottWhat dat mouf do? 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If tinder wasnt working for so many guys itd be dead by now They know the stats and they still sign up Over 18% of guys in tinder are married looking to cheat on their wives so they can afford to swipe for a few months

[–]Sad_Entertainer6312 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Well Tinder is a hookup app. What else would guys be after on it?

[–]beautifultomatillo2 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know I’m just trying to explain why it’s 75% men not attacking men for using it to find a hookup

[–]SoopaHottWhat dat mouf do? -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Men turned tinder into a hookup app like bars clubs church walmart the library This is why women just arent comfortable in any place with too many men

[–]Sad_Entertainer6312 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tinder was designed to be a hookup app. Women changed it to a dating app because that's where the men were.

[–]kvakerokEvolved Red Pill "Chadlite" 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Walmart? That's new, tell us more!

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Clearly all the men there.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Someone doesn't know math. Each woman can swipe right on 4 men and date 4 men... they dont get killed or forcibly married after the first

[–]beautifultomatillo2 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is literally 10 iq

[–]Play_Mutednormie trying to become chadlite -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

?

[–]BitsAndBobs304 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You do know that once a woman dates a man they dont have to marry, so the woman can also date the other 2 leftover men, yes?

[–]Play_Mutednormie trying to become chadlite -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

no

[–]kokorwqac[S] -3 points-2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

That's a speculation, not an explanation

[–]AyWhatITIS 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You literally don't understand math

[–]xDarthVapor 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

No it's not, you can Google the statistics. Women swipe right on average 5% of the time And it's only on the top 20% of men. They're sharing the same high value men. Google Apex Fallacy (you're welcome).

Believe what a woman does, not says. And multiply that body count by 5.

Edit: a word

[–]kokorwqac[S] -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Most women aren't that interested in casual sex

[–]xDarthVapor 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Where did you get that statistic. Are you talking about pre or post sexual liberation. Post liberation is the opposite.

[–]KirthWGersen 13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If those women had no standards, they would simply be shagging all the men and be very tired.

It's a delicate balance though: while their physical fitness could increase, all those drinks and meals could lead to obesity.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's still a not very reliable satam pool if the gender ratio isn't equal or at least close.

[–]KirthWGersen 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is not a very reliable pool for many reasons.

The most attractive women are not even on it: they are too busy, using Instagram or snapped up right away.

Relationship-focussed women tend to meet men in other contexts.

Lots of women on the apps are simply looking for hook-ups, entertainment and company. It is a temporary stage in which their current attitudes do not reflect other periods in their lives.

This is great news for attractive men, who can easily get sex through those apps. But it doesn't tell us much about what women in general do/desire.

[–]SoopaHottWhat dat mouf do? 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No one is becoming obese from these 3 dollar coffee and fuck dates men are peddling

[–]KirthWGersen 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Humour and text don't mix, it seems🤣

[–]Poisongirl5No Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If they did put out Willy nilly, men would still be mad. Mad the only women having sex with them are sluts.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (96 children) | Copy Link

Yeah bro, exactly.

Red pillers scream about shit because they don't know math and science and they definitely don't know shit about culture and sociology lol. They're mostly just dudes with edgelord personalities, the guys that play devils advocate for every situation and then act surprised when people don't like them.

[–]Liberated_Asexual 6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Wow I've never seen quite so much a word salad comment with absolute zero substance. Tinder isn't the only online dating space — even on apps where the gender ratios aren't as skewed — men struggle mightily, and we still see the 80/20 or similar distributions.

Guess where the 80/20 findings came from? It WAS NOT from Tinder.

Red pill guys are the only ones actually looking at hardcore studies, evolutionary psychology, population trends, sociological trends. What exactly do YOU know about sociology and culture?

[–]Dafiro93 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Name an online dating space where it's heavily skewed with more women than men.

[–]Liberated_Asexual 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There aren't any. But there are ones where the gender ratios are much closer to 50:50, so trying to extrapolate Tinder as representative for the rest of them all is misleading.

[–]Dafiro93 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Maybe back in like 2010 but I find it hard to believe that is still the case today. Can you link any data to back up that some apps are close to 50:50 parity past 2020?

[–]SoopaHottWhat dat mouf do? -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All these apps are extremely skewed No where near 50/50 Women are keen to the fact that men use these apps for sex and have mostly opted out of them

[–]CanYouTieThemInABow1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Online dating is artificial and attracts a non-random population. Extrapolating from OLD to general female sexuality is mistaken.

[–]Liberated_Asexual 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think human behavior is plastic to the environment in which the behavior is confined and adapted to.

[–]Cobra_x30 10 points11 points  (70 children) | Copy Link

You seem to be confusing Red Pill with Black Pill.

Every single Red Pill guy I know is doing very well with women. That's the whole point of the Red Pill. The Pickup Community fucking invented it.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (59 children) | Copy Link

Lol no, not at all.

"It's a pickup community" nah its a community ran by a bunch of dudes that hate women but want to fuck them still. You guys literally teach that almost all men who are dating are being cucked because "women only like 20% of men, and it's probably not you". You guys teach dudes to chase women while also constantly saying "but you can never trust she will actually like you, she's most likely using him"

Red pill is a cult. It teaches men that all women are either liars or literally too fucking stupid and neurotic to know what they really want, and that's why you need red pill, because these red pill men know women better and are smarter than women

[–]Dont_Mind_Me31 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

Youre absolutely ignorant of the topic, and the more you write the clearer that fact becomes.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Bro, you guys always say that, but weird that so many of the non red pill people clearly see that and agree with my assessment, including experts on cults, white nationalist groups, and therapists. But they're all femibazi beta simps or some shit and red pill is just a group for cool guys lol

[–]AidsVictim 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Red pill is a cult. It teaches men that all women are either liars or literally too fucking stupid and neurotic to know what they really want, and that's why you need red pill, because these red pill men know women better and are smarter than women

The standards for "cults" has gotten pretty low these days. Red pill is just another (niche) iteration of the same type of dating advice that's been around forever. The amount of moral outrage you people manage to generate around it is baffling.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Cults are pretty specific In how they work

"You can't trust the rest of the world. You can't trust any social science or psychology except when we use it to justify why women shouldnt be trusted and shoild have kids and be SAHM even if they think it's not what they want. Your dad is most likely a beta simpe, most men are, because it's all a lie and you can't trust the rest of the world. Every woman knows this, the men all know, anybody who claims they disagree are straight up lying, they know we are right and are hiding the truth. Nobody else understanda. Only this group really gets it."

It absolutely operates as a cult. It absolutely uses extreme language used to intentionally other everybody who is not red pill, while telling people to not trust major sources of trustworthy info

[–]Fiestygirl000 4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

It’s the same outcome with MGTOW, but they still criticize the dating market instead of leaving women alone like they are supposed to

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Yeah MGOTW, sure Jan, but they spend all their time trying to recruit men and just shitting on women

Single women who choose go be single usually spend their time posting about their hobbies, vacations, pets and kids. Weird we see these supposedly happy and fulfilled men still consumed eith obsessing over women

[–]Cobra_x301 points [recovered] (25 children) | Copy Link

You have no idea what you are talking about. It reminds me of the time I tried to listen to a 4 year old explain how rainbows work.

You want to have a specific discussion about Red Pill ideas and beliefs... then I'm willing.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Bro, I've been in red pill groups, I've followed re pill tags, I've heard from so many men who proudly carry the red pill tag. You telling me all of them are wrong and you are right doesn't mean anything.

Red pill absolutely teaches sexist shit. And for somebody claiming they're some kind of expert on red pill, how do you not know red pill has been reviewed by psychologists and experts on cults and white nationalist groups and the verdict has come back of "yeah this is a group that uses cukt tactics and absolutely is tied to white nationalist groups"?

Or are all the experts just wrong too, and only the good men of red pill can truly say and make that decision?

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please debate civilly.

[–]Marino4KRealism -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"It's a pickup community" nah its a community ran by a bunch of dudes that hate women but want to fuck them still

Says who? I think there’s a distinct difference between “the pickup community” and the toxic part of TRP who hate women.

[–]Ockwords 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

The Pickup Community

https://thoughtcatalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/pua-690x458.jpg

Masters of invention pictured above

[–]Cobra_x30 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Masters of invention pictured above

What's the point of the picture?

[–]Ockwords 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Just wanted to include a visual of the pickup community you were talking about. In case people weren't aware of them.

[–]geyges1🐇 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

edgewood personalities

the what now?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol fucking autocorrect

[–]h1shmanAdonis Pilled 29M 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Spot on with the devil’s advocate piece

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah like everything the discussion comes up of "women tend to clean and care for kids more even when they work full time" so many dudes will literally just play devils advocate and say shit like "well why isn't she happy to help her family, is it really that bad?" One dude literally said "well he might be doing household chores like patching drywall"

All of the arguments hinge on "I should be allowed to be dumb and selfish"

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Seems like both you and op missed the part where women can date more than one man through their life..

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No shit. So can men. How is this a hot take?

[–]BitsAndBobs304 -5 points-4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Op stated that since men are 3 times the women, only 1 man out of 3 (fixing his wrong number 4 ) can get sex or dates. Because of course, once a woman matches a man on tinder, blam! They're forcibly married for life and sent to mars forever. Very logic.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol okay?? But that's true for men too! So what is your point? Men and women both get into relationships. Men and women break up. Men and women start to date new people again.

[–]beautifultomatillo2 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This a very stupid point. At any one specific point in time only 1 third of men are going to be able to interact with a woman on the app

[–]Dafiro93 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only way your argument would make sense is if the woman killed the man and thus lowered the number of men over time. Think about it, 75 men and 25 women. 5 couples link up, now it's down to 70 men and 20 women. If those 5 couples break up, it goes back up to 75 men and 25 women. It doesn't go to 70 men with 25 women.

[–]coolboy_24278Purple Pill Man 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

define “edgelord personalities”

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Playing devils advocate, arguing for the sake of arguing and then going to "I don't care, this is so stupid anyways", nihilistic views used to justify shitty actions amd behaviors, belief that violating people's boundaries and being able to get away with shitty behavior means something

[–]SolidusMonkey -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So the type of dark triad behaviour exhibited by Chads who get laid nonstop? Interesting argument.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London (late 20’s) 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the guys that play devils advocate for every situation and then act surprised when people don't like them.

🤣

[–]Mobrowncheeks 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. Every women gets to swipe like 100 times a day
  2. It doesn’t really matter because those 25% of women get to swipe through and match or not match multiple men at once. It’s not like they only stop at one match.

If anything. It just means the sample size is very small for women’s behavors.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 17 points18 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Shhhhhh.

Logic doesn’t help the narrative.

[–]supershotmd 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You call this logic? She's confusing all sorts of things. By her logic, a drug trial that has 75,000 random men and 25,000 random women might have p values of .015 vs .019 but the effect on women is still not statistically valid. Or just the really basic math error of mixing percentages inappropriately. It would be 33.33% of men, not 25% of men.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is this somehow any different than men claiming 80/20? Or for using those same stats to proclaim how hard OLD is?

Can y’all pick a lane? Is online dating a sausage fest or is it flush with women?

[–]supershotmd 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a sausage fest + the fewer women that are present are very picky. The first is proven by the well known gender breakdown. The latter is proven by (1) the % of right-swipes men do vs. women do and (2) the % of likes that become matches for men vs. for women.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So the 3 to 1 ratio causes pickiness since for every one woman there’s 3 men.

Women swipe right less yes? We know this. But let’s say women swiped right at the same level as men.

There would STILL be a drastic imbalance.

If there are 77 men and 33 women in a group and there’s a hetero rose ceremony, you pass out roses to who you fancy. there would be 77 roses to go to those 33 women while there’s only 33 roses to spread out to those 77. Hello people are going to be left out. That’s what the OPer is saying. Why complain about something so OBVIOUSLY stacked against you. Even if women swiped right at the same rate as men it still wouldn’t be ‘fair’ since there are less women. Women would have to swipe 3 times as much as men did to even begin to make the results be even and by that I mean number of swipes going out, I’m not even talking about who’s being chosen.

The sausage fest wouldn’t work no matter what women did, unless we became hornier than you and swiped 3 times as much as you did.

Why is that ignored?

[–]Cobra_x30 7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Don't be confused by statistics. The percentage of women who have used Tinder is not that far from the percentage of men who have used Tinder.... It's basically within about 6%.

The fact that the ACTIVE userbase skews heavily male is simply because women either find what they want quickly... or find they absolutely hate the app fast. Men on the other hand will be active users for huge periods of time... LOL... often times well into relationships and even during marriages.

[–]UrbantexasguyChad's better looking older brother 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You are right about women finding out that they hate the apps. Tinder went from 60/40 to 80/20 in just 5 years, and is now a dismal 90/10 in the UK.

App "insiders" have been spilling the beans for a couple years now, and they admit to using bots, and allowing Instagram and Onlyfans girls to inflate the numbers, making them even worse than they seem.

Apps are starting to look like the overall internet was back in the mid 1990's.....you can never really be sure if anyone you meet, is a "real woman". I think they used to call that, "Rule 30" or something.

[–]Cobra_x30 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

LOL... you remember the internet back in the 90s? I used to play this text based game on a bulletin board system. My friend was totally infatuated with this person going by the name BaronessBliss. We found out 6 months later that the Baroness was a 400lb slightly balding late 30s man named Al who ran the comic book shop in town. Hahahahaha

Look, the core problem with dating apps is that women are not supposed to work like that. The guys who figure out how to be attractive to women through marketing techniques, or just raw attractiveness... they get lots of attention and we honestly treat the women like shit. Yet, the women are not self aware enough to understand the problem... they seriously are not used to putting any kind of real thought into dating, it's all about hair, makeup, and cleavage to them. So, they get frustrated after and quit. I personally believe that OKCupid was onto something before they sold out... but otherwise apps are just horrible dating platforms for women to use and that issue probably can't be solved.

[–]UrbantexasguyChad's better looking older brother 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's taken a while, but a lot more women are starting to come to their senses though, and leave the apps. It's not just the harassment, and Chads spinning a lot of plates, the apps are also full of married dudes as well. They're a perfect place for a married guy to sneak one in, now and then.

As for men, the app "insiders", programmers who used to work for the app companies (Match Group owns most of them now) have been saying some pretty ugly things in the last couple of years.....using bots to "even" the numbers, algorithms that intentionally suppress showing of certain profiles to force men to buy premium, encouragement of Instagram/Onlyfan girls to step in and even the numbers, etc.

What a lot of guys don't realize, is that a non-paying guy on an app, is like a guy who complains about the weeds on a golf course, when he's just a non-paying guest of a country club member....you're the lowest of the low, like a stowaway on a cruise ship LOL

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I won’t be confused with stats like I won’t be confused by someone throwing out numbers, without your own stats what am I to think?

I agree about the married and taken men there though.

[–]Cobra_x30 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I won’t be confused with stats like I won’t be confused by someone throwing out numbers, without your own stats what am I to think?

I'm just suggesting you think for yourself. What percentage of women under 40 do you think have ever used Tinder?

Why is the active userbase of females so low?

Once you think about it, the answers become somewhat clear.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because women don’t need an app for casual sex.

Tinder had its time in the sun.

Like most things once people figured out what’s what they decide it’s not for them. Which is what’s happened here.

How many times does one have to touch a hot stove before they recognize the harm.

If my options for apps is one that’s geared towards relationships and meaningless sex which one are women choosing and which ones are men choosing.

Thinking for myself I’m laughing at how every other day y’all cry about tinder being a sausage fest and now magically it’s filled with women.

Can’t make this shit up

[–]BitsAndBobs304 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The "logic' of op, where once a woman matches with one man, she's locked in FOR LIFE?

[–]delight-n-angers 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

oh my god dude, we get it. you don't understand the premise of the conversation.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Whats the premise?

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Where does she say that?!

[–]BitsAndBobs304 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Only 25% of men could get sex/dates from it"

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

At any given point with 25% of women at most 25% of men are succeeding.

That’s what I got from it not women pick a man and bolt, I think y’all are actually arguing that.

[–]Kentucky_Supreme 3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Except women don't care about the man/woman ratio. All they're thinking is "hot or not".

If you took away the top 25% of men, the women would probably just delete the app.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

There's a small number of women there to begin with

[–]Kentucky_Supreme 3 points4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

You don't understand percentages.

As of 2021, women think 95% of men aren't "good enough".

https://thebolditalic.com/the-two-worlds-of-tinder-f1c34e800db4

It's 95% regardless of the total number men or women.you could have 100 men and 1000 women on the app. The most likely outcome will be that every woman only wants 5 of those guys. The other 95 never even had a chance because the women didn't have instant multiple orgasms within 3 seconds of seeing their profiles.

[–]UrbantexasguyChad's better looking older brother 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You're ignoring the dependencies. Women are going to be picky, in environments where they can AFFORD to be picky. Women aren't stupid, they know that they are in the minority on Tinder, and that breeds selecitivity.

If the situations were reversed, we men would be pickier too, except for the dumpster divers, who would fuck anything. College campuses are a good example, probably the best one we have, where men are a minority now.

[–]Kentucky_Supreme 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Are you trying to say that Danny DeVito magically becomes Gigachad if no other men are around?

[–]pearllovespink 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone gets it lol. The ball is in my court.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But again, most women swore off not using tinder altogether due to a few reasons, thus the sample represents a minority of women

[–]Kentucky_Supreme 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most women swore off tinder? Maybe I missed the news that day, lol. But if that's true, they probably swore it off because once again, "nobody's good enough".

And I'm guessing you mean they swore off online dating all together? If that's the case then I don't see how that's going to help anything. Anytime I see a woman talk about a guy that tried to approach her in person. She almost always complains that he's a "creepy weirdo". And "almost always" aligns pretty well with "95%". I've still never heard/seen a woman speak positively about a guy that tried to cold approach her.

[–]TheAutismPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

except you're conveniently ignoring that in your very link it shows that about 20% of both genders have met through it, slightly more men even.

[–]AnUnstableNucleus 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So isn't it flawed to use tinder data pool as what women desire? Most women aren't on tinder to begin with

Yes, but it affirms the red pill worldview, so it's taken as the gospel here.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shouldn't blackpill dara be constantly updated

[–]caption291 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The gender ratio of tinder is %75 men %25 women, what this means is that even if women literally had no standards only %25 of men could actually get matches or dates/sex from it

If women had lower standards, fewer men would need to be on tinder/more women would find tinder to be an attractive option.

The ratio itself is in large part a function of the standards of each gender...so separating the ratio from women's standards allows you to separate women's standards from their consequences which is obviously not a reasonable thing to do but is certainly a sneaky way to push a narrative.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

If woman’s standards were low for sexual partners we’d all be walking around with triple digit N counts.

Stop.

[–]caption291 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

And that goes against my position how exactly?

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What is your position? I’ll wait

[–]caption291 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The ratio is caused by women's standards, so separating the consequences of the ratio from the consequences of women's standards is illogical.

If a->b and b->c then a->c

This was pretty straightforward in my first explanation so I'm not quite sure why you needed me to say it again when you could have just read it but whatever.

Now, How does stating that if women had low standards we would all have high n-counts disagree with the notion that women having high standards is causing the skewed ratio in online dating?

[–]BennyHillThemeStopsTrue Scotsman 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are more focused on trying to get laid than women, so there are more guys on tinder to begin with.

There are more single men than women because women can end up in a fwb situationship, whether knowingly or unknowingly, sharing the same guy.

Women are also more likely to get fed up with guys and just give up on them either for a while or permanently. They go on 'tinder detoxes'.

For women who do use tinder and other apps, they dip in, delete the app once they've found what they're looking for after choosing from the many options.

The top tier men will get multiple dates. The bottom tier men will get none. Men stay on the apps for longer periods of time regardless.

Tinder stats reflect that women are only attracted to certain percentage of men based on their pictures alone.

[–]RinoaRita 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s assuming that 25% of women doesn’t include a significant percent of bots/advertising for OF/snap etc.

But technically if it’s actually 75% men and 25% women it’d be 33% of men that gets a March.

[–]Gundam_net 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Big brained post.

[–]huhwhatokokRed Pill but I fold for good pussy 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I won’t deny there’s more men than women on OLD, but women get a bunch of matches and latch on to one Chad before deleting OLD. Meanwhile, a lot of men will still be on it if they’re married, in a relationship, or have a 5 woman rotation. I’d probably say it’s closer to 55%-60% men to 40% - 45% women.

[–]delight-n-angers 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’d probably say it’s closer to 55%-60% men to 40% - 45% women.

But we literally know it's not. You can say whatever you want, but you're wrong and we have the actual data to know that.

[–]empresa_josefinaNo Pill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

We have data on “have you ever used a dating app” and the gender balance is roughly even.

Monthly active users is the number that’s skewed 75/25.

Remember, if a woman meets a guy on Tinder and they hook up for a month, she falls out of the user stats. Under even gentle assumptions, you can have a 50/50 dating app generate 75/25 in active users. If 2/3rds of the women are regularly dating short term and dropping the app for a month, but the men keep swiping looking for a rotation, then you’d get 75/25.

[–]TheAutismPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

we also have data on how many people have actually met or hooked up through the app and the numbers are roughly equal for both genders, if not slightly more men, which invalidates the 'chad harem' meme which implies that a disproportionate number of women are going to a small number of men.

also, do you realize that you're assuming that the man usually stays on the app while the woman doesn't? i'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems like a pretty haphazard assumption unless you have data to prove it.

[–]empresa_josefinaNo Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please provide this data.

Also if the data you refer to combined “met” and “hooked up”, it does not invalidate. If 80% of male respondents met up on the date but went nowhere, whereas 20% of respondents actually slept with the women, that would be consistent with “Chad harem.”

On your second paragraph, the only way for an platform to have equal average yearly users but skewed average monthly users is for one gender to drop off for longer periods. Just an artifact of how these usage metrics are defined.

[–]SoopaHottWhat dat mouf do? 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

According to recent polls married women are finally getting the picture and getting side action as well

[–]CrossdressTimelady 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Here's some easy tips:

--Get in shape

--Learn how to dance

--Get Victorian-inspired costumes custom tailored

--Go to formal dances, especially if they're Victorian-themed.

TRUST ME, the ratio of men to women favors the men like you wouldn't believe, and the women will go for anyone who's good looking and knows basic dance moves.

[–]SolidusMonkey 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well this is great advice for Lord Maximillion von Schenzkensdnystein The Third, but 99% of the world population doesn't have access to "custom tailored Victorian-inspired costumes to take to a Victoria-themed formal dance". Like what fucking reality are you living in?

[–]CanYouTieThemInABow1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Seriously, for a man who thinks this sounds even sort of amusing, give it a try. I've seen unconventional guys have silly levels of success even from less intense formal dances.

[–]CrossdressTimelady 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

YUP. It's stupid how easy it is. There's probably a lot of reasons why this works, but that part doesn't even matter. I'm amazed that more people haven't figured this out. There's probably a female equivalent to this trick, too. LOL.

[–]Cobra_x30 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is highly misleading. When you look at stats like 60% of the female population under 40 has used Tinder at some point.... then note that only 25% of active users are female at any given time.

What this means is that the majority of women use Tinder, but then stop.... while men will actively use it for much longer periods of time.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What stat? I'd like to know the source.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Tinder is based on Grindr, that is specific designed to cater to gay men's needs.

No shit not many women use it.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

r/ladyboners has a lot of gay men

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know, ten years ago (or when ever I started using Reddit) it was mainly women posting and a lot of men like Joseph Gordon Levitt and Jake Gillinghal.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Uhm... my sweet summer child.. you do understand that women are not sent to jupiter via rocket one way only once they swipe right on the first man, yes?

[–]kokorwqac[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's still an unequal sample size

[–]AelfredRex 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but then the red/black pillers can't use that to claim victim status. All the "stats" they root around the net for and then shove in everyone's faces have that purpose in mind.

[–]ScrimmyBingusTwoSTOP SIMPING -1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

That’s because women will leave Tinder sooner because they can quickly find a relationship there. It’s not that most women aren’t using dating apps, its simply that they don’t need to use them as long.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

That is your speculation, not a reasoning anyone ever gave explanation to

[–]Mobrowncheeks 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

It’s not speculative, more then half of relationships start online statistically yet 75% of tinder is men? That means women are in and out faster

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

There are dating apps outside of tinder and even people who met through online social circles instead of apps

[–]Mobrowncheeks 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Tinder/ bumble /hinge are the top dating apps. And they all trend statistically the same

[–]downvotesanimalsCertified not responsible for the oppression of women -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Women are allowed to have more than 1 match...

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

But we know women swipe right less.

Women would have to swipe three times as much as a male tinder user to even the playing field and ain’t no way women are as motivated as men are to stick their dick in a strangers puss

[–]downvotesanimalsCertified not responsible for the oppression of women -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So? Women would only need 3 matches to every one a man has. That seems pretty spot on.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

No. A woman would have to swipe 3 times as much as a man does to make up for the deficit.

[–]downvotesanimalsCertified not responsible for the oppression of women -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your logic... is faulty.

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[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Men can be pretty dumb going to an online sausage fest trying to meet women. They need to go to places where there are a lot of women if they want to be successful meeting women, and Tinder is definitely not one of those places.

[–]KirthWGersen 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

SHH! Don't tell them where those places are. Or they will turn into sausage-fests too...

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not like where those places are online is any big secret. Men just don’t want to have to do the things necessary to have an online presence in those places. It’s much easier to just post a few bad photos, write a half-assed profile, and start swiping.

[–]DreysunTheOne 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

guys since she wants to keep it a secret, it's Valorant.

if you want to meet a QT gamer girl just be able to solo carry in Valorant.

its that easy

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mis read the website name. Instead of “business of apps. I read. Business of fapps.

Which: considering the context.

[–]POEenjoyer91No Pill 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

What you're saying is statistically true. But then you state it's flawed to use the data to understand "desire". Two different things there. What you said about the statistical reality of the app can true. It can also be true that putting a buffet of men in front of a small amount of women results in them only wanting a small % of the men.

If the notion women primarily cared about personality, or any other arcane and highly subjective traits had merit on a broad scale, you wouldn't be able to predict a mans success based off of what he looked like. The men getting responses on the apps would be more varied. That's what RP people are arguing.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The thing is you cannot tell the personality based on a picture, this simply isn't possible among online dating And even then, the sample size of women is small and not representative of most women that aren't on tinder.

I'm not denying certain types do better in tinder, however in a environment where the gender ratio is equal and where you can know a guy's personality, it would matter less

[–]POEenjoyer91No Pill 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

People invent personalities based on pictures. Halo effect is a thing even knowing nothing about another person. People become infatuated with an idea of someone all the time. Also the sample size is not small on OLD, even though the total % of women is smaller. We're still talking about millions of women.

You can make an argument for sample bias, but I don't even think that holds merit given the diverse set of people who use apps today.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

But looks aren't reflective of personality, you can't necessarily except people to choose based on personality among places where only looks are visible

[–]POEenjoyer91No Pill 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

OLD isn't just pictures lol. You can absolutely get a sense of what someone is like based off how they type and what they say on their profile. Also if they have a lot of pictures of them doing active cool shit, you can extrapolate they are confident and adventurous. Two things women love, you just also happened to have to look good too for it to matter.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

What statistic dictates that women must vanish the moment they match with one man?

[–]POEenjoyer91No Pill 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Did you reply to the wrong person? I have no idea why you think that's a gotcha lmao. They don't have to vanish, they just are matching with the same subset of men.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Op said IF WOMEN HAD NO STANDARDS, ONLY 1/3 OF MEN WOULD GET SEX/DATES.
This is only possible if once a woman dates a man they get married and shipped to space, or killed, or the leftover men are executed on the spot. Or maybe op thinks women lose their vagina instead of their virginity?

[–]Dafiro93 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you not know how math works? I'll explain it as simple as I can.

100 people on Tinder: 75 men 25 women

25 couples form: 50 men and 0 women remain on Tinder

10 couples break up: 60 men and 10 women on Tinder now

Unless polyamory is going on, there's always going to be 50 men without a date.

[–]POEenjoyer91No Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ask them then, why are you asking me lmao.

edit: I don't even see where that's stated, are you even in the right chain?

[–]StopTheIncelsOutside Yellow | Inside Red 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not necessarily. They closed their public API years ago.

If the total RAW data was available, I'd wager there would be some interesting things.

[–]cvslengthbucketlist 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If the sample size of women on dating apps is big enough then it doesn't have to match the entire population of women to notice any correlations. But I think the qualitative factors are more meaningful here. I'd be more concerned about the type of women who self-select into the online dating pool and how that corresponds to their dating choices. Or I would look first at the nature of the online platform itself and how it brings out low-attention span behavior and the paradox of choice (even with gender ratio parity) generally speaking.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would probably agree if this app had a 50-50 or at least 60-40 ratio but 75-25 surely is creating some problems imo

[–]cvslengthbucketlist 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say that 75-25 merely exacerbates a qualitative disparity that exists in real life even with a 1:1 ratio. Naturally women tend to have more options than men (in general) by virtue of being able to attract her options passively. Instead of having to chase after them proactively.

[–]beleidigtewurst 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The gender ratio of tinder is %75 men %25 women, what this means is that even if women literally had no standards only %25 of men could actually get matches or dates/sex from it

Well, or bang-bang 3 times as often. But yeah, purely theoretical.

This talk about "standards" is highly misleading, it is about men being more horny, not more nor less. Women could get there when drunk (and regret it in the morning with some serious consequences)

[–]Pinkrose571 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mst my bf on a dating app it's a sad story

[–]EveryNizastar 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok how about other apps with more women ( bumble, hinge ) ? Are they less picky on there ?

[–]DreysunTheOne 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah I get more good matches on bumble than tinder easy.

[–]Vainistopheles 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

if women literally had no standards only %25 of men could actually get matches or dates/sex from it

That would only be true if women dated exactly one man at a time and never broke up.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Even with regular cycling unless men never cycled the turnover still wouldn’t make things even

[–]Vainistopheles 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

No, but the statement I was responding to was incorrect. More than 25% of men would get dates unless we assume that the women are only matching with a small minority of the men.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Is that not what y’all argue here daily? That a small percentage of men are getting matches on tinder?

Call me crazy but I’m down right positive that’s the narrative

[–]Vainistopheles 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

That is the narrative, but here the OP said "even if women literally had no standards ..." He presented a hypothetical, and his conclusion doesn't pan out in his hypothetical.

What's the problem?

[–]danielatsb 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only 2/3rds of men could get matches. Learn math.

[–]Holiday-Reach-8948 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just curious - do people use Tinder primarily for hookups, or dates that may turn into relationships? Or does it vary?

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Easy sex

[–]DreysunTheOne 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

a lot of guys think it's a hook up app strictly.

most women specifically have a variation of "no hookups" in their posts

given the data here I would say most people use tinder for hook ups or casual flings

[–]kvakerokEvolved Red Pill "Chadlite" 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

You are correct in identifying selection bias of Tinder. That said I think it simply points to the fact that Tinder is primarily for hookups and men are primarily into hookups. Which is consequently invalidates the claim about 25% of men's matches, as one woman can hookup with a multitude of men.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but how many are going to with even the bottom 50%? The top 50% is enough to pass around twice per woman.

[–]kvakerokEvolved Red Pill "Chadlite" 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My guess would be that top 20% of men on Tinder get 80% of all hookups, be that 2x or 3x or Nx per woman.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You’re contradicting yourself. MEN like hookups, MEN are primarily looking for hookups acknowledging the low numbers of female user then you turn around “but those numbers don’t matter cause 80/20” there are too many hot men to go around with these numbers, and while a man may plow through dozens of hotties, to think the average female tinder user is, is just… wow… stats show the main reason women use tinder isn’t to fuck, it’s attention, let’s let that sink in.

[–]kvakerokEvolved Red Pill "Chadlite" 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Cool your beans.

Yes, men like hookups. So do women. There's nothing wrong with hookups. If you're here to do the pearl-clutching you're in the wrong century.

The ratio on Tinder itself is 3 to 1, male to female. Tinder is well acknowledged as a hookup platform. Thus it is safe to assume that most if not all of men and women on Tinder are there for the purpose of hooking up.

Thus it is safe to assume that they do end up hooking up at one point or another. We don't know what those numbers are. Tinder doesn't ask "so did you fuck?" and doesn't provide a postcoital review form to fill in, afaik. Maybe in some paid version.

Of those people that hooked up, 20% of top men got 80% of all hookups. Do I know or care how many it is per woman? No, thus the 2x, 3x, Nx progression. Obviously every woman is going to be different. One swears it off entirely, another finds a soulmate, yet another picks a new dick to go with a new pair of shoes, who cares? Individual outcomes are irrelevant.

stats show the main reason women use tinder isn’t to fuck, it’s attention, let’s let that sink in.

But NOT the ONLY reason. If a man in a monogamous relationship catches his woman on Tinder, no amount of "I'm there just for attention and a confidence boost" is going to add up to anything other than a bullshit excuse. Which it is. Nobody goes on Tinder with the sole idea of "let's see how many men swipe on me", one has to be at least open to the idea of hooking up. (And you should stop acting like it's something bad. It's here and it's happening, deal with it. Reality doesn't care about your opinion, regardless of how you try to frame it, statistically or in other ways.)

And depending on how thirsty they are, they either persevere and slog through the 80% of men to find their top 20% prince or they don't. Those that do get their dick fix, get it from the top 20% of men in 80% of the cases, the other 20% of cases they essentially settle for what could be construed as an inferior hookup.

I would also say that 3 to 1 male to female ratio is indicative of the fact that the top 20% men are actually struggling to plow all the available women and many end up going unplowed, which I think is hilarious in light of all these claims that "women are swearing off online dating".

[–]dabadeedabadaiguy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are out in the real world making the most of their lives while men are too lazy to do anything but swipe. Men need to do better.

[–]Decent_Foundation_621 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Women match alot faster and more frequently on tinder, it would be more useful to compare these stats over time. (i.e., is it 75% - 25% because 65% of men are always on there whereas the 25% of women are turning over frequently

[–]medlabunicorn 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Matches don’t = hookups or relationships. They are possibilities.

[–]HimNeutron 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They can match with any number of men, and given this day and age, hook up with more than 25% as well (as a collective). The goal may not be to find one person for everyone on that app.

[–]AnotherWildling 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless, god forbid, women were more promiscuous than men…

[–]truthfullyVividbased and cringepilled 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

YES thank you. It was already pretty farcical that data exclusively applying to the OLD sphere was being applied as a blanket generalization about dating as a whole-- but the fact that these variables are completely ignored in this faux-scientific approach to understanding dating only makes it more laughable.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Online dating and social media due to younger generations being terminally online can be a worthy interest of research however a lot of blackpillers cherrypick data and trends to confirm their beliefs instead of taking it all neutrally which is ironically bluepilled imo

[–]truthfullyVividbased and cringepilled 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I wouldn't say that research on OLD is necessarily irrelevant altogether... but yeah you're exactly right about the cherrypicking that takes place. Research on OLD should be taken with a grain of salt because it's a self-imposed constraint for most people. What I'm saying is that only dating through OLD is a choice most of the time when other options are available but unexplored.

[–]BlackGriffin_1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Taking what neutrally

[–]MasterTeacher123 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I ate well on Tinder from 2012-2016

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