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''Fertility' ' is cope

October 21, 2022

Now most men use fertility as a reason for why they like younger women, but most young men nowadays ''pump and dump' ' or have casual sex instead of marriage when they are young so there's no children happening when you actually get prime women, not only that, but incel forums do suggest 13-16 year olds look better than 30 year olds despite them being less fertile

Now if you like younger women or even just neorenous immature features(as long as it's on a legal person) i don't really care but for the reasons i listed alone, fertility seems like a copout because no one has kids when they are 20 anymore. I'd rather people not explain their personal preferences with psuedoscience

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Title ''Fertility' ' is cope
Author kokorwqac
Upvotes 7
Comments 72
Date October 21, 2022 5:53 AM UTC (1 month ago)
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[–]Mohandeeznuts_Gandhi 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah, yes. Because incel forums are a good representation of what men as a whole find desirable.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can’t make this shit up lol

[–]BitsAndBobs304 7 points8 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

You're mixing up instincts with thoughts. Men like boobs because they are a sign of fertility, estrogens, sexual dimorphism. Men know that fake boobs are fake and dont require fertility, but instincts give boner just the same. Just like we know that the reason as to why we have an istinct for sex is because that leads to continuing the species, but animals dont know that, the instinct is to fuck because libido and sexual frustration and it feels good to do.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

but an 13 year old isn't more fertile than an 30 year old one, 30 year olds aren't really showing up post-menopausal signs either

most men aren't really caring about curves that much either today, well at least the ones on incel spaces, they care more about slimness, babyface/neotenous face, light skin/light hair(people have lighter skin and hair when younger)etc. etc., they are lookig moreso a juvenile appearence than a ''fertile'' one, which again, i personally don't care about if they do, but the justification is psuedoscience.

[–]pikecat 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You shouldn't get your ideas of what men like from guys who can't get girls. Their isolation makes them a bit crazy and stray from the mainstream. Extremes are attractive, reality is more mundane.

Remember the people who are busy doing things in the real world are not talking about it. I lived in the real world and only tried reddit in the pandemic. Many different guys like different kinds of girls. What's most important is a girl's character. However it's hard to judge that, unless you're out there meeting girls. It's easy to sit and judge pictures of girls alone. If you're doing things with girls, as I have, you're not here talking about it. So don't get yourself biased by stories. If you want to know about guys, go outside and meet some. Don't wait for just the guys to come to you, you'll only get one type then.

Generally, it's the dumbest people doing all of the talking, because they have nothing to do. Smart and good people are busy people, they know what is real, but are, usually, not yapping about it.

Same goes for silly ideologies. You sound like you're falling for all of the propaganda of idiots out there, from your other comments. You say one after another. The thing is, people say a baseline truth, but couch it in a way that leads you to the wrong way of with thinking. That's how propaganda works, you're led astray with, mostly, truthful statements, with a few lies snuck in. Since you can verify facts, you believe the whole thing.

Evolutionary psychology is a valid academic study. People use selected parts of it, misrepresented, to push their views, that are wrong. The opposite people then label that misrepresentation as pseudo science and push their own junk science. So you have 2 groups fighting each other with nonsense. Neither likes the truth, because they have an agenda.

A minority of people actually understand what's true.

If you want to know, read actual science, not the ideas of people with too much time on their hands. So no social media pseudo science at all, don't believe any of it. If you don't have your own knowledge, you can't tell truth from fiction.

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I can and have gotten girls and prefer younger physically speaking 🤷 you don't need to be an incel or a perv to 'prefer' youth when considering attraction... I'd rather date around my age though, connections should be easier and more meaningful, personality matters too but that's for relationships, if it's for something casual you want physical attraction and young woman are more attractive generally speaking (not goddam 13yo girls, that's incel stuff...)

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You’re wrong

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Which part? 13 year olds aren't ''fertile' '

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

No your overall views don’t hold weight. How is fertility a coping mechanism? You do know men are biologically hardwired to start families with younger women since the beginning of time right? I’m not talking about little kids that’s disgusting I’m talking about younger more mature women of consensual age

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We are here to procreate. To even label fertility as cope is childish as shit

[–]KirthWGersen 8 points9 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

It is not fertility as such: pre-modern man had no knowledge of the ins and outs of biology. It is that the external signs that suggest a woman is fertile just so happen to be the features men tend to find sexually attractive in women.

It is nature's way of getting us to have sex with people we may be able to reproduce with. It is not a rational calculation.

If men were most attracted to post-menopausal women, there would be no reproduction and we would not exist.

If a man starts a sexual relationship with a woman who is 16, he has a greater chance of having far more offspring than if he begins a sexual relationship with a woman who is 30. It is does not matter much nowadays, as people have few children and they mostly survive, but historically it was of extreme importance.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 2 points3 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

30 is not an age fertility plummets, and 16 is not the peak of it, that is psuedoscience, for most women it doesn't plummet until like you're 40. and for men you get diseased children after 35.

fertility signs are also curves and maturity that makes the woman look like a grown up, is the 13 year old incel guys drool over really more ''fertile''?

and even when those men get the ''prime'' women they pump and dump them instead of having kids, so it's a copoput.

look i'm someone who thinks neotenous and somewhat immature features look beter on both men and women, however i don't need dubious ''evopsych'' to justify this as much as i is my personal preference.

[–]KirthWGersen 4 points5 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

If you start having kids at 16, you could have 10 kids already by the time you are 30. Probably closer to 5 or 6.

You have to remember that we are not talking about modern times, modern medicine or modern life expectancies.

Evolutionary psychology does explain the reasons for these feelings. They may well be obsolete in the modern world, like so much else of our biological wiring. But our bodies and minds will not evolve to other preferences for many tens of thousands of years, so here we are.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

also i noticed, guys in incel spaces don't really care about ''fertile signs'' that much

instead of curves or a matured appearence, they like overall slimness, babyface/neotenous face, light skin/light hair(perople have lighter features pre-puberty)

again, i don't really care as long as it's just young looking adults instead of kids but it seems weird to use fertility as an excuse when they just prefer juveline features itself.

[–]KirthWGersen 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I have never met an incel, so I wouldn't know.

Fertility is not the excuse; signs of fertility are the reason.

[–]De_Carabas_of_Below 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How much poking around in incel spaces do you do, KK?

Any at all? or are you just saying what you "think" they say?

Or just trolling. Again.

[–]decoy88A Black Dude♂️ 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the attraction stems from a form of arrested development.

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They basically like anime girls🤷

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I suppose our biological wiring isn't gonna change anytime soon, but our minds most definitely do when we think rationally and logically about it. As soon as I find out a guy wants kids I'm no longer attracted to him because I myself dont want kids for instance. There's also older women and men who develop feelings for each other despite being old or past menopause. Our rational and logical mind definitely affect how we are attracted to people.

[–]insertcredit2 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

30 is roughly when physical signs of aging become apparent.

You can attempt to intellectualise it all you want but the simple fact is youth is attractive.

[–]kokorwqac[S] -2 points-1 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

again someone can think 14 year olds look ''better'' than 30, but it isn't ''more fertile'' is what i'm saying.

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

women lose eggs every year that they age. The moment a girl first ovulates is indeed when she is most fertile. Its when she has maximum eggs and optimal health. Now obviously some things need to happen such as widening of the hips for the birth canal and other physical changes but a fully developed teenager is way more fertile than a 30 year old biologically speaking.

[–]insertcredit2 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

But men don't generally find 14 year olds very attractive. When men are rating women just by photos they universally rate women between 20-22 most attractive.

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

30 years old in the paleolithic era was indeed too old for having babies especially when you consider what diet and health care enables us to do now that were unthinkable tens of thousands of years ago. A 30 year old woman in a hunter gatherer tribe who is barely nourished and lived a hard life of physical labor and survived a couple child births is not the same as a 30 year old now. Be that as it may, men's brains are wired to find youth attractive for making babies. Its why we have laws protecting teen girls from adult men. Socially speaking its not healthy but biologically and Darwinian speaking, its optimal.

[–]tired_hillbilly 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Your lizard brain doesn't know the exact details of fertility decline. It's been trained by millions of years of evolved instinct to associate neoteny with fertility.

Physical attraction is all biology. That's how your body knows which features "look better".

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

false, physical attraction depended heavily on socialization and media influence too, human sexuality is far more mental than other animals.

and it's the neoteny level of 20 year olds, not the neoteny level of 12 year olds, which is what incels like.

i do prefer men with some noeteny over hypermasculine men myself, but i don't need to justify it by ''muh bioogy''

[–]tired_hillbilly 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You've never thought about 'why' you prefer what you prefer?

[–]smallstarseeker 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't really need a logical reason to find someone hot. Our urges are not super complicated, they do not take the state of ovaries into account.

I find 20yo women most attractive, because they look most attractive.

Hot looking 20yo which is infertile for medical reasons is still hot.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're fine, i'm just saying people who use evo psych for everything miss the point.

[–]FishTank34 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t dive too deep into the weirder incel forums. Not necessarily denying lookism/blackpill but some of those guys suffer from “terminally online” syndrome. That’s why you see some of the shittest takes from these forums, like the one about 30 year olds vs 16 yr olds.

[–]kokorwqac[S] -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

and on here this very forum, they are defendinng the claims of incels

this is an incel adjacent dub in the first place

[–]FishTank34 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not everything the blackpill says is wrong but weird shit like the stuff you mentioned is definitely on the far fringes. It’s incredibly difficult for most guys to be blind to looks privileged in terms of dating. Even most “normie” guys just kinda accept average women have more sexual options than average men and that most of the female attention is directed towards the top tier guys in terms of looks. Instead of “chad”, “normie” society calls those guys “jocks, frat guys, athlete”.

Not everyone is going to support the weird shit found on those forums but more basic things like lookism and how average men nowadays are lonely and jaded from rejection are very difficult to deny.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

and even then, you have all those guys defending the fringe ideas i presented here.

[–]FishTank34 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea idk some ppl r kinda nuts

[–]Scooby-Doo14 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There is no need to cope about that

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They ducked up scooby doo

[–]Scooby-Doo14 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean it's an obvious fact

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

With your logic, Biology itself is cope. Any women who wants a man taller more confident than her and stronger than herself is “cope”

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

It is cope because no one cares about making children nowadays, they just pump and dump in their 20's then when they settle make about only 1-2 kids on average (30 isn't too old for 1-2 kids... It's only old if you want like, 10 kids) and they don't really care about curves either, they mostly care about juvenile traits only(thin frame, childlike face, light skin, light hair) which makes me think they would like 12 year olds if there wasn't a mental block on it.

Also biologically, men over 35 are more likely to birth autistic or diseased children than men under 35,yet you don't see women getting grossed out by men her own age(sure, there are a few old men are gross posts on reddit, but they are mostly written by women under 30, so it doesn't really count)

I do think height thing is socially engineered to a degree btw, sure they would prefer taller than them on average, however preferring a foot taller than herself is a new phenomenon as most people historically weren't that big and height differences weren't that exeggrated, i've also anectodally met a few girls who fetishized shorter men in some circles, sure it's a niche but a real scientist with a curious spirit should consider all data he can.)

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Your post is demonizing men for wanting a younger women but not demonizing women for wanting a taller more capable male. That tells me everything I need to know about your mindset. Pumping and dumping but the birth rate has been pretty even this past decade and that’s a fact. Women still want families and commitment from a male more capable than them. Is that dope? Or is it only cope when a 31 year old man wants a 22 year old woman? And high risk pregnancy begins for women as early as 27, 28. Is that cope too? Smh

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not demonizing men i just think they are using junk science to explain shit

I mean i prefer men who look young or boyish myself, i'd be a hypocrite if i demonized them, but i don't use ''fertility' ' excuse.

Also love how you adressed none of my points in the reply

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I addressed all of your points almost all of which are invalid and don’t hold weight. You aren’t a reflection of the populace of hetero women who overwhelmingly want a provider who’s competent and can defend and provide for their offspring. Biology is undefeated

[–]De_Carabas_of_Below 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

We've discussed this before KK. Are you trolling again?

I'm not sure why you think female fertility only drops in a woman's 40's. Here you go: https://www.britishfertilitysociety.org.uk/fei/at-what-age-does-fertility-begin-to-decrease/

See the female line? It starts going down just after 30 and hits the floor at 40. Not pseudoscience, BIOLOGY. is it fair? No. Do you think the Universe cares?

Look at that graph as if you were a man, and tell us what age woman you would want if you wanted a family. Would it be 35? 30 even? Nope.

Now, for political reasons that graph starts at 20, but if it went back a further 5 years, you'd still see that female line up at the top. If you were honest in answering the above question, you'd pick 20.

But... if caveman want babies, caveman fuck 16 year old cavegirls. Because cavegirls can give many babies, and (being younger, healthier and stronger) are more able to survive childbirth.

Does caveman want 30 year old cavewoman as mate? No-no, dum-dum. Because cavewoman makes many less babies, and is more likely to die during childbirth. 30 year old cavewoman is grandma or spinster.

Is a 16 year old emotionally ready for children? Hell no. Does evolution care? Hell no. This is the reason girls are described as sexually mature once they start having periods, because they can have babies at that age. Nature intended for them to start popping out babies at that age, and men are hardwired to find them attractive despite them being socially, culturally, emotionally etc immature.

You dismiss "Evopsych" as pseudoscience with literally no evidence yourself, despite the significant amount of evidence (and supporting logic) to the contrary. Let's hear you make your case.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

But they don't want children they just pump and dump attractive women , and most e-girls mimic the look of 12-15 year olds, not 20.

Actually a medically infertile 20 year old would be more attractive than an 30 year old, or an 30 year old who looks 15 would be more attractive than an old looking 25 year old, it's all aesthetics.

Also men over 35 make diseased children

[–]De_Carabas_of_Below 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

As Froggy has already said, the boys aren't consciously after children. They are responding to what their genes are telling them is attractive - which is markers of high fertility. A girl that's medically infertile is still presenting all those high fertility markers. All this happens unconsciously.

Plus - read my post. When do girls FIRST become sexually mature? 15/16.

And how would a caveman ensure he has as many children with a female as possible? By starting at the first opportunity.

This means girls become sexually attractive in mid-teens. Unfortunate fact. The e-girls know this.

Plus: Men over 35 do NOT make diseased children. You'll need to provide a link to back that up. Men can still be capable of impregnating women in to their nineties.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]De_Carabas_of_Below 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL - yeah, the science is totally in.

"For years women have lived under the threat of a ticking fertility time bomb. But, according to new research, men might have a biological clock, too.
A study, published in the journal Maturitas, suggested that men should consider banking their sperm before reaching “advanced paternal age”, which has been variably defined as above the age of 35 or 45 in medical fields.
While there has been extensive research regarding infertility and potential complications in an ageing mother, relatively few studies have explored similar reproductive factors in ageing men.
However, evidence suggests a decrease in fertility and an increase in pregnancy complications such as gestational diabetes, intrauterine growth restriction and preterm birth.
Additionally, children born to older men could have increased risks of chromosomal and non-chromosomal birth defects and an increased incidence of childhood autism and cancers."

And I could be Superman.

This is dated from three years ago, and the research was done by a Women's Health Institute. I'm not saying it's wrong - more that it really isn't that much of an issue.

[–]SilentFroggy 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What does them not wanting children have to do with them only wanting young girls?

Fertility is part of the reason why men want young women. There’s other reasons such as she is unexperienced and isn’t used.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because if he's not having kids why does fertility matter

Actually even if he only wants about 1-2 kids, 30 isn't too late for it, it's only a late age if you want like 10 kids, which most people in this day and age, don't have.

What if she's a 35 year old virgin? Or high n count 20 year old?

Again i don't care if you prefer (legal) loli over milf, just that people give irrational cope responses

[–]SilentFroggy 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most men find younger women attractive. It’s just evolutionary. And there’s many reasons to it.

A 35 year old virgin woman is unattractive because she’s old. That’s it. Wether she might look young or not, she isn’t ideal.

A 20 year old slut is someone we don’t want to commit to.

Honestly, what are you trying to prove here? If our claims are wrong, then we don’t know why we are attracted to younger women. But we simply are.

[–]Glad-Discount-47611 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Just get older,you will understand

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

i already look too old for my liking i legit wish i looked 10 instead, but i look older than even my actual age. i already know the feeling and have serious sadness about my face.

but again, 13 year olds incels like aren't fertile, nor do most incels want children, which makes fertility a null point, they just like the aesthetics and personality/behaviour of an immature person.

there are people who are ''older'' than me that have younger and more childish looks that i envy, so again its the ''look'' that is important, eveything else is cope

[–]Glad-Discount-47611 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Then die young.Thats only true solution for you.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I literally looked ugly since i hit puberty, just very unappealing face

[–]Bdog5k 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your broad stroke claims are as not even as reasonable as the pseudoscience it’s condemning.

[–]Taipanshimshon 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not " fertility"

It's signs of fertility.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[–]FastBananaViral 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Younger females are more attractive in general, I don’t think most men care if they are “fertile” or not. Also older females have almost certainly slutted about as well, so that makes them even more unattractive in my opinion

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Young women slut around too, and hypıthetically, let's say there's 30 year old virgin, now what?

Youth is aesthetically more pleasing in both men and women, but again people use excuses of ''fertility' ' which doesn't make sense

[–]FastBananaViral 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Young females are more likely to be virgins than older females. The number of 30 year old virgin females would be absolutely minuscule, even less if it wasn’t out of choice.

Youth isn’t necessarily good for men, female almost always want someone older than them

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

But again let's say it existed would that still effect?

They like about 2-3 years older so prime women like early or mid 20's men, i do also think most men over 30's are ugly as they are bald, hairy and wrinkly but fertility isn't an excuse i use

[–]FastBananaViral 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

A 30 year old female if they did exist probably wouldn’t drink or do other thinks that age you so she would probably look younger and have a better chance.

It’s not alway 2-3 years older, my 24 year old cousin married a guy who is 38 the other day

[–]_Duriel_1000_ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont think you understand how fertility works, ma'am.

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Fertility is supposed to be the biological (and instinctual) reasoning behind the preference for young women, it's not that men think 'she's more fertil so I prefer this 19-20 to the 35 woman'.

Men prefer younger because they focus more on looks, the evolutionary reason might be fertility, dunno. Women probably prefer younger too if all the other requisites are met, but it's usually the older men those who have the money/status/stability/emotional intelligence and so on...

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But again, most of those people do not have children in their 20's when they have access to prime women, and when they make kids, they make about 1-2 kids, 30 isn't too late to make one or two kids, it's just too late to make like 5 kids

You could also say men older than 35 have chance to create autistic or diseased kids

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

30 isn't anything exaggerated. Between a 30 and a 20 there's really not that much difference if the 30 aged ok.

Anyway, it's just that fertility is an unconcious, instinctual preference.

[–]MembershipWooden6160 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

OP, there's a lot to be said why YOUNGER women are more attractive to vast majority of men of all ages. There is some psychological transition, though, mostly during teenage years while young boys look for women that have certain authority over them (i.e. teachers) and see themselves seemingly infatuated in these plain or well-below average looking or aging women. There is a good psychological explanation about this transition while they mainly "look" for mother.

There are also guys in their early 20s who chase after older women under various pretexts. Main reason is they are looking for sex and they likely can't cope well with women their age or they can't get enough action. Many young men will chase just about anything and do lots of stuff just to get laid, some of them focus on supposed "sex teachers" yet again.

But vast majority of men, when faced with clear choice and opportunity to choose one woman, will choose YOUNGER woman. As young as they think they can pull. This is especailly true for long-term relationships and it's a single most important vetting criteria for so many men when they are looking for a serious relationship... notice that weight is often mentioned? Well, I can show you lots of overweight, seriously plain-looking young women who manage to land a good looking guy or a guy with great career prospects.... guess why? Do you really think we have age of consent to protect young boys from predatory women who exploit their transitioning period? No, age of consent was primarily brought up to limit older men from going as young as possible and utilizing same transitioning period that young women have.

I know that this is highly controversial but it is as it is - woman's most desired age is when she has just finished puberty. Had there been no age of consent, plenty of men would ditch many other age groups and focus even on prepubescent women and likely even "wait" for their puberty.

And when we talk about waiting, there's another highly important thing to remember. In case if you plan to have children, especially if you plan to stick around, this requires TIME AND PREPARATION. I.e. some savings, stable source(s) of income, good career prospects, a house, a car, list goes on. And it takes a few years to get to know each other, live together and so on. Imagine meeting a woman who's 30 y/o already and add a few years on top of that even if everything else is a non-issue (i.e. career, savings, other things). She's already close to mid-30s. Get the point? If you think you do, just a reminder that, if you plan to have more than 1 kid, i.e. 2 or even 3/3+, you're pretty much racing with her biological clock. That's when you ask yourself what does SHE bring to this deal.... career-wise, savings-wise, maybe she owns a house, etc. No, dude, most of the women will spend it all on traveling, having a good time, f#$%ing around with other men and then expect it all from you NOW. You won't be as impressive to her because she's been with better men, she has her friend who's dating a better guy, she or her friends might have dumped a better guy. Even if she "settles", she'll belittle you and you're setting up yourself for failure with someone who's in a hurry and you're NOT. In fact, you might wish to spend a few more years dating around, enjoying, or simply saving some more money BEFORE making that step... but this all means that you wish to date a YOUNGER woman. Because she not only has more time, but her youth gives YOU more time. And more options.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know most people like younger, i do too, but

Most people aren't having children, ones who do are having only 1-2 kids

So ''fertility' ' isn't the reason, it's mostly just the looks or personality of an immature person.

[–]MembershipWooden6160 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kids don't just show up overnight. At least not unless they were unplanned and that brings lots of issues when you deal with unplanned child. Especially as a man, because you don't get any say and suddenly everyone wants to literally force you into responsibility even though you're not the one carrying pregnancy to term. That's called life and it happens more often than it should, people are just a-holes to men and think they should suck it up because other men don't want to pay for it and nobody has ever thought to push for and shift the legal system to hold a woman liable for pregnancy she chooses to carry to term.

So now that you might get a picture why a guy doesn't want to be the daddy until he's ready, let's go back to that planned pregnancy part.... most people, even when they start to date someone, expect things to take its course (i.e. dating, getting to know each other, living together and learning about each other, evaluating) before even thinking of having kids, if they even decide to want them. This usually takes years if not more than a decade in the dating life because most folks have a list of things they plan to achieve, secure and so on, while dating or looking for a date. This is true not only for women who wait until their 30s or any other age, it's far more common among men their age. If you wonder why, re-read the previous part. Unless they literally spend their life as thugs, serving jailtime, doing crime and having nothing to lose in terms of lifestyle and living prospects, they are literally screwed the moment there are some issues because kids will have them sink to the rock-bottom of the ocean and anchor them in a mud and it's even worse if their love union ends. It's not that they don't want to, but there are lots of obvious reasons that hinder their desire to go that path of bexoming a daddy and having a family.

So they postpone lots of plans, including having children, until they get to certain age, until they progress and secure their well-paid job, until they get more stable financial situation, list goes on. There's a reason why family size in America is actually smaller than desired, even though 1-2 kids is desired for most. It's not just about postponing it to enjoy life, drink booze and travel around the world, other life factors play the role.

So, now, when "he" is ready, or plans to be ready in a few years, he thinks a woman he goes out on a date is NOT the woman he wants to have kids with. At least not the ones he'd pay for. Guess what's the main criteria??? Age. Yep, they'll try and pull as young as they think they could keep. Once again, it's not about biological ability to make 10 kids, there are other real-life constraints. Having time to take it slower and achieve goals is a big advantage when it comes to family planning

[–]jjman9898 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

We have evolved to be attracted to fertile women, youth/health = fertility.

The reason for that is women who are young and healthy are more likely to have healthy children that survive birth and live long enough to reproduce themselves.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who consciously chose their partner based on how well they could be bred.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe if you want to make a lot of kids but most either have casual sex or make 1 2 kids.

Heck medically infertile young women would still be choosen

I just think evopsych is junk science and used to explain sociatel trends or patterns, women don't have repulsion to older men(unless they are younger women themselves) even though older men are more likely to produce autistic kids.

[–]NotARussianBot1984 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol at most men pump and dump. Projection.

But i do agree with the post. Im a child free guy. I like younger women for the less baggage they have and more attractive.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How many people do you know that are having kids at 21?

I also just had a convo with someone who valued casual relationships more than romantic love and still preferred younger girls. Again fertility is cope

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