virtuous women

floracalendula · 2024-05-10T00:05:05+00:00

It's the hypocrisy. It gets worse: they decry the existence of both sluts AND virtuous women. If a woman holds out on them, she's a problem, because they want to get laid. But the second they take our virtue/get laid, we're worthless 304s, and they lament the lack of virtuous women.

Pick a lane!

Chef-Better · 2024-05-10T22:43:15+00:00

They also slut shame/ridicule women that make pornography while simultaneously consuming their content.

noobcs50 · 2024-05-10T04:37:36+00:00

Based on what I’ve seen, if they actually manage to snag a virtuous woman, they succumb to limerence hard. This leads to him feeling like he’s walking on eggshells whenever he’s around her because he’s afraid of “being himself.” Alternatively, he might maintain an avoidant attachment style and keep seeing other women, which she doesn’t tolerate for long.

Either way, it ends in her rejecting him, which causes him to retreat to his RP safe space for reassurance that he’s not the problem and AWALT. If he’s the problem, it’s only because he didn’t follow his RP guru’s system properly and needs to study harder.

But on the flip side, deeply emotional experiences like these tend to be the ones that will snap them out of the RP nonsense and make them realize that their beliefs/attitudes are all fucked up.

That’s been my experience, at least.

VovaGoFuckYourself · 2024-05-10T12:30:24+00:00

Ive literally seen men (on this sub maybe?) say that they want a virgin because virgins wont be able to compare them to other men.

Something along the lines of "If shes slept with X number of people, odds are very high shes been with someone who is better in bed than me or has a bigger dick"

ROBYoutube · 2024-05-09T23:35:09+00:00

Don't try and look at it from the lens of facts. They have no basis for what they think in the reality I'm aware of.

xvszero · 2024-05-10T00:49:31+00:00

Red pill men have no idea what the fuck they actually want. They're just angry and raging at a world that is leaving them behind.

luridlurker · 2024-05-09T23:58:23+00:00

Do they realize this or is this part of the dissonance? and when they do get that virtuous woman, are they actually happy? or bored?

Are you exredpill? Or struggling with redpill ideology?

I'm asking because finding logical fallacies are easy in RP, but logic is not what draws someone into RP, and it's not usually logic that fully gets someone out either.

Pointing out the flaws in RP might be better suited for /r/bluepill if you're looking to just have a discussion on how poorly constructed the RP is.

psyduck5647 · 2024-05-10T16:40:47+00:00

“Virtue” in the context of sexuality is always about control. It always have been. They don’t want someone who doesn’t have sex they want someone who will only have sex with them. Religious groups thru out history have done the same.

Personal_Dirt3089 · 2024-05-10T17:36:19+00:00

The redpill is ragebait meant to sell ebooks. There is no happiness condition. If a person becomes actually happy, they cease to be a customer, thus the redpill provides no actual happiness condition, and even tries to find ways to negatively frame things that sound happy

Snicker94 · 2024-05-11T16:16:31+00:00

This is why in past prostitution was so active even though it was illegal. Such men want to ride in two boats at same time. They want a woman for marriage who is shy, innocent, cute and submissive. Who take all there orders and be a face of house who support the man of house but when it comes to emotional or physical intimacy they want don't want to invest and wants quick fix actually. If women who sleeps with multiple men belong to streets then a men hanging on those streets shouldn't deserve a home also but they get it and flaunt easily.

hostility_kitty · 2024-05-10T03:47:19+00:00

You can be a virtuous woman and a freak in bed 😅 I am disciplined, loyal, honest, and have integrity. But I am also very adventurous in bed. Having values does not mean that one has to be prudish. If anything, I think a person’s attitude toward sex/intimacy is more important.

For example, a woman can value sex with just one person who she has a deep, loving bond with. But that does not mean she can't give that one person the gawk gawk 3000.

Ok-Dust-4156 · 2024-05-11T09:06:24+00:00

To be good in bed woman need curiosity, initiative and enthusiasm. Any amount experience is useless without those traits. Opposite is true. If woman have that those traits then her experience doesn't matter that much, she'll be better than most in no time.

ThePrinceJays · 2024-05-11T14:11:20+00:00

You’re sticking multiple stigmas on multiple groups of men in the red pill space.

Most redpill men don’t care about virtuous women. Half the community is “going their own way” and have no interest in marriage, long term relationships or women outside of the bedroom.

While the other half don’t care about how freaky or “virtuous” a girl is as long as she has a low body count.

The hypocrisy lies in the fact that TRP teaches men that they need to have high body counts while only marrying a girl with a low body count. They believe this because they are being told that women like men with high body counts because you gain the qualities that women are attracted to by having experience with more of them.

Yes, you should have as much experience as you can with women, but no that doesn’t mean you have to have bedroom fun with every woman you see. Plus that just makes you that much worse when trying to connect with a woman.

SufficientDot4099 · 2024-05-12T00:55:19+00:00

They want women to be virtuous with every other man except for themselves.

HelenHavok · 2024-05-13T02:00:07+00:00

It’s absolutely bonkers, but this exact dissonance has been known and understood since at least the 1500s. Titian, the renaissance artist, called it out in a painting of a virtuous woman and a promiscuous woman titled “Sacred and Profane Love” way back in 1514.

In the early 1900s, Sigmund Freud developed several theories about this cognitive dissonance/hypocrisy now called the Madonna-Whore Complex. His ideas on the causes of this issue are pretty specific, but broadly, some men categorize women as either saintly Madonnas they admire or debased whores they find sexually attractive. These men love the former category, while they despise and devalue the latter group. Freud believed that they desired virtuous women for love but often ended up sexually unsatisfied in these relationships because their sexual desire was all wrapped up in the loathed whore.

TLDR: What is old is new again. Men who create Madonna-whore dichotomies have been around forever and have always had extremely dysfunctional relationships as a result. They’ve created a world view that is impossible for them to be truly happy in, and it requires they hate a whole lot of women in the process.

LargeTry88 · 2024-05-10T19:55:31+00:00

I dont agree that a woman is a slut for being a freak in the bed so long as she only does it within relationships. Madonna whore complex doesnt represent most women, most women arent whores or angels. Otherwise I agree, red pill is full of hypocrisy.

Annual-Ad6947 · 2024-05-10T20:08:25+00:00

Sure, it is hypocritical. But, there is a basis that all the other commentators are skipping over. The basis is points studied in psychology showing that women's bonding hormone's and patterns decrease if they have had multiple partners. Women who have had multiple past partners are physiologically less able to bond to partner and much more likely to end the relationship and continue the cycle. Also, men have a higher innate negative response to their women having been with other men. To some extent, women are more attracted to men with many past partners because it signals a higher mate value.

Of course, players are likely to play too. There is hypocrisy there. But, Red Pill isn't about morality, it's about finding what works in reality. So, if you want to find a woman who isn't going to leave you, and for whom you won't have repeating thoughts of jealousy regarding past lovers, the science says go low body count. They don't have dissonance because the combination of the statement not being about morality, and because the physiology is different for men than for women. It's possible that the low body count woman they pursue won't care about their body count the same way they would care about the woman's and both partners can be happy.

W-Pilled · 2024-05-10T05:32:00+00:00

A better question is what do women want?

They want to bend gender roles but still expect a man who is dominant, makes more than them, reads their mind, always takes the lead, and pays for everything.

Title	virtuous women
Author	Josie4321
Upvotes	58
Comments	55
Date	May 9, 2024 11:30 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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