What we men have lost.

fabezz · 2022-10-21T16:50:02+00:00

I don't really understand the whole assigning personality traits as "masculine" or "feminine". Physical differences I understand, but c'mon, confidence? Does a confident woman seem manly to you?

WWhiMM · 2022-10-21T18:02:04+00:00

This is nonsense. If men lost their masculinity, they'd be indistinguishable from women. But you're saying that women are obviously feminine and that sets them apart from men. So which is it?
It seems like you're falling into the trap of "man as default." Like, women are noticeably feminine while men are just normal. But you can invert that by changing your perspective, women are what's normal and men go outside that norm with their masculine disposition.

domitori3 · 2022-10-21T17:21:03+00:00

Most of us men seem to have lost that what makes us men, what makes us masculine

My biology make me a man. That doesn't require any mindset, skills, whatever.

what I am trying to say is that if you are a man and you haven't had a gf or you are struggling with finding one, then you know damn well that you either lost a quality that will facilitate finding a gf or you havent' developed one

That's called "social skills". That has nothing to do with being a man. Sometimes, life circumstances lead to one not being able to develop a good set of social skills. But that's fixable.

SweelFor- · 2022-10-21T16:18:20+00:00

What is it that you claim makes a man masculine? Lost compared to what? To when? What men? According to what evidence?

This is the kind of vague, unclear, undefined "men lost at society" message that is precisely on brand for red pill.

Unlikely_Biscotti_62 · 2022-10-21T16:44:23+00:00

Typical hallmark of a charlatan; multiple words without saying anything.

xXMachineWomanXx · 2022-10-21T17:52:04+00:00

I’ve realized more and more that finding a relationship is also about chance and luck. There are lots of good people people out there who are single and lot of toxic, shitty people in relationships. A gf isn’t a reward for being good.

Also, I’m biologically a woman and that’s what makes me a woman. There’s no magical thing that makes me feminine, and someone else doing living their live doesn’t have any effect on my biology.

yourwildlight · 2022-10-21T19:23:13+00:00

What would you consider masculine traits these men have lost?

wooshoofoo · 2022-10-21T19:23:52+00:00

We haven’t “lost it”, we never really have it to begin with. Just because you have a penis at birth doesn’t mean you’ve somehow got masculine energy and is 100% confident and outgoing and sports loving and truck driving yeehawww.

It’s more than in the past all “men” were forced to go down the same narrow gender path. That’s completely separate than what you’re feeling, which is self doubt and under confidence.

ChristopherGrimm12 · 2022-10-21T17:52:59+00:00

Men spend more time debating than taking action. This was a slow gradual change and not one that happened overnight. Where as women have done the opposite. They spend more time taking action than debating now. An interesting paradigm shift over the last hundred years.

uniquename1992 · 2022-10-22T02:55:42+00:00

"im not speaking for everyone but most of men lost what make us men", but I'm not speaking for everyone tho

ComebackDaddy · 2022-10-22T12:41:32+00:00

Never do things to get things.

Become things because it’s who you are and it were meant to be.

Are we meant to be anxious?

Fear driven beyond action?

Deep rooted issues related to learned helplessness.

Entrapped in a society snd system design to make you broke; miserable, and depressed?

When you think about it, it seems much of what men lack is not soo much masculinity but freedom; agency of their life and the ability to truly be anything and anyone they want given a moment.

Ironically this checks out with all the traits associated with healthy masculinity which relates to the endless pursuit of freedom in all areas and all ways.

We provide to give our family freedom to live life fully without being driven by basic needs.

We protect to provide our families freedom of endless freedom of expression.

We guide because to be truly free is to be logical and not fully engulfed in emotions, especially when facing deep challenges or difficult life decisions.

Thus true masculinity traits (which anyone can and does hand the ability to possess) is all about the pursuit of one’s and loved ones endless freedom.

S3542U · 2022-10-21T17:58:33+00:00

Confidence. Just go for it.

But also, false rape accusations can RUIN a man's life/reputation and that clearly is not helping.

tyYdraniu · 2022-10-21T17:57:50+00:00

idk, i feel being masculine is more about action and feminine is passive, just standing there already make the person feminine, waiting for the masculine

SweelFor- · 2022-10-21T16:13:33+00:00

A big part of the problem is the general notion that anything and everything about masculinity is "toxic", and even the slightest bit of dissenting opinion on that matter is scrutinized and put under the microscope.

mann1123 · 2022-10-21T21:20:15+00:00

who cares

Rook_Cross · 2022-10-24T15:37:58+00:00

Modern living, schooling, food. They have taken a toll on men, plus the severe demoralization in the West. Men and women of the west have lost something (it was taken from us and is a result of modernity). I don't think kicking people while they're down helps. It is something though we have to fight to get back. RP is not it though.

Title	What we men have lost.
Author	goodboy92
Upvotes	0
Comments	66
Date	October 21, 2022 4:09 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/ExRedPill
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