Will it ever change?

Legitimate_Fan_4977 · 2024-12-16T08:26:06+00:00

The same here. People think we are just a bunch of incels who are bitter because women won't have sex with us. Each person I know in my private life have been shown all the statistic and science and sociology and also history behind why it looks the way it does in the society and how feminism is a populistic movement. But they just don't care. People don't care about men. We die right in front of them and they laugh at us. Even other men do that. Maybe even more than women. And we are just preaching for the choir. But a lie is a lie even if everybody belives in it. That is my motto these days.

Enzi42 · 2024-12-16T12:25:22+00:00

I think there will be change, but I think that we need to make a firm reevaluation as to the catalyst of that change.

A large (but perfectly understandable, I made it myself for years) mistake is believing that this change will come from some sort of unity between genders.

I think the only way things will get better is if we can persuade other men to take our issues seriously, and more importantly to abandon their own internalized belief in the "male oppressor/female oppressed" dynamic that holds so many of them back and exploits the internalized misandry so many men struggle with.

I no longer believe that both sexes/genders need to work together to accomplish meaningful change; in fact I think it is an impossibility at this stage. The lines are too firmly drawn, and besides, why would the other side work against its best interests?

Tevorino · 2024-12-16T08:41:54+00:00

History is full of changes. For me there is no question about whether or not the current state of gender relations is going to change; it definitely will because the current state is absolutely not sustainable. The question for me is one of what the change will end up being.

Hopefully it's towards a more reasonable, egalitarian framework in which men and women are both seen as having an equal capacity for good and evil deeds, and are both seen as equally likely to tell the truth. One of the other, grimmer possibilities is for the pendulum to simply swing back the other way and we regress into a fascist system in which the events of 1960 - <whenever the backlash happens> are portrayed in a very revisionist manner, ignoring the good parts while cherry picking the absolute worst aspects and saying "This is what happens when women are allowed personal agency and voting rights."

Mysterious-Citron875 · 2024-12-16T15:09:12+00:00

Those in power love doomerism, never think it's a lost cause

ZealousidealCrazy393 · 2024-12-16T16:45:37+00:00

It is changing right now. More attention and seriousness is being given to men's issues now than ever before. Granted, it's still not a lot. There's a long way to go yet. But we have this engine running, whereas twenty years ago we couldn't even get it to turn over.

Feminism is over 170 years old in the US, and like all parts of our establishment, it's old, tired, and going down. Now is the best time ever for us to get even louder in our criticisms of feminism and hear it creak under the weight of its own contradictions.

Don't worry about what bigots think about you. Worry about advocating for yourself and other men and boys who need you right now. You're part of the construction crew building spaces where males of all ages can find some love, protection, and empowerment to speak out.

BootyBRGLR69 · 2024-12-16T19:39:05+00:00

I honestly think (and hope) that the dam is starting to break. Men are struggling to a degree that is impossible for society to ignore. I absolutely do know what you’re talking about, though.

Low_Rich_5436 · 2024-12-16T18:17:10+00:00

The notion of men's rights or MRA was not even part of public consciousness 10 years ago, now it's talked about ceaselessly. Sure it's mostly negative fear mongering, but no communication strategy beats the Streisand effect.

I've got the same kind of feeling about men's rights today that I had in the 90's with gay rights. It's in the air.

Be patient, things might be coming, maybe sooner than we expect. The common sense explanation for Kamala Harris' defeat is turning out to be the left losing men. This might be the turning point on men's issues for the west.

Things probably will get worse before they get better, but maybe not that much after all.

Peptocoptr · 2024-12-17T02:25:09+00:00

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Things will get better because they have to. What we have right now is not sustainable. Society can either seriously adress those issues or collapse in on itself.

LoganCaleSalad · 2024-12-17T03:50:51+00:00

It absolutely will just takes a load of time. We're only witnessing the very beginning of the turning of the tides. It'll be another 30+ years minimum before we see any real substantive change.

rammo123 · 2024-12-16T07:09:22+00:00

I take solace in the civil rights movements of the past. Women eventually got their right to vote, racial minorities made progress toward racial parity, the LGBT community won many battles over time. I'm sure there were many times when the respective advocates thought the fight was fruitless, and even after all their efforts they still have a ways to go.

One thing to remember is that examples of overt gender inequality favouring men is not ancient history. Many feminists are old enough to remember when they weren't allowed to go to university, or divorce on their own terms (not ignoring the significant hardships that men suffered in the same era). But that generation will pass soon enough, and the younger cohorts coming up will never have seen broad inequality favouring men. I'm confident that feminism's gaslighting over modern inequality will become less effective over time.

i_h8_yellow_mustard · 2024-12-16T15:43:59+00:00

yuendeming1994 · 2024-12-17T22:19:16+00:00

I saw the exactly the same post in feminist subreddit. But of course its the opposit that they think the world and furture is misogynic and they feel hopeless.

But anyway, even the world is misandry and will be more misandry, i think class remain the main conflict you would feel hopeless if you are the root class and your gender dosent matter

FreeRazzmatazz4613 · 2024-12-19T13:52:32+00:00

You can't win, the only option is to walk away and let it all crumble .

sickofyallsbullshit · 2024-12-29T12:50:47+00:00

… i am a feminist, and having stumbled upon this community through a particular post that offended me (yes the stupid blue haired feminist who cries and cries about made up issues like leg hair or whatever), i have been looking through these posts in confusion and a bunch of other emotions. honestly i don’t have much hope my comments will even stay up lol. but i do want to say, i wish we could get to the point of some open communication. beyond the anger, i can recognise fear and a similar brand of hopelessness. those are the emotions that drive people to anger, and without the exploration of why they are being inhibited within us, we are lost. same as that which fuels feminism. I truly truly believe this is two sides of the same coin ie how women and men are socialised and a huge cut of capitalism, we all work like dogs to barely keep up an internet bill that we spend fighting sides. no, there is no erasing of these problems and no magical other system to take over. i just want to say i have read this post through, have heard it, and want to add a comment.

VexerVexed · 2024-12-17T21:29:18+00:00

I've accepted that it won't and instead have decided to tantrum over the web instead

Title	Will it ever change?
Author	Odd-Satisfaction766
Upvotes	82
Comments	53
Date	December 15, 2024 9:06 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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