I have a female coworker that constantly approaches the men in the office to do odd jobs for her. Water cooler is out, please refill it for me. Can’t reach this stack of stuff, get it down. This box is too heavy, move it for me, etc. Now I don’t mind helping out a coworker regardless of gender, but this woman has an unbelievable attitude, and it finally got to me. On this particular day her usual simps were out of the office and it was me, her, and 3 other women.
Me= Me OB (office bitch) = her
OB: “ lindomano, a client dropped off a box for me at reception, can you get it for me?” Me: “Can’t you get it yourself?” OB: “It’s way too heavy, I’m just a small woman.” Me: “Well I’m busy at the moment.” OB: “But I need right now.” Me: “I’m sure Melissa or Sally could help you.” OB: “You’re a man, it’s easy for you.” Me: “Two of you could probably do it.” [At this point I’m staring at the screen and trying to focus on something. OB: “Look, why do you have to be so difficult? Allan and Joe always help me out.” Me: (holding back retort about them being simps) “I cannot help you at the moment. Please give me some space and let me do my job.”
She left in a huff and later my (female) manager pulled me aside and said OB complained I was being aggressive and unhelpful. I explain my side of the story and my manager goes: “Why didn’t you help her? You’re a guy.”
I’d been waiting for a moment like that for a long time, being a longtime reader of this sub.
I say, “What does gender have to do with this situation? There were several other coworkers she could have asked. Why assume just because I’m a male I’m most capable of lifting something heavy?”
She couldn’t say anything to that. She told OB to stop bothering me and in the future to ask facility management to help her carry heavy things
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I think I was "marked" for years just for being a perpetual bachelor living simple in a small house while working in an office full of tradcons. But I saved my money and got out before it was worth the paperwork to get rid of me.
I was on eggshells the last several years around especially the younger female coworkers though. Some of them were legit hot. You had to watch your step if you wanted to survive.
MeToo I kind of hated them too after a while. Nobody should have to be afraid of some little slip of etiquette destroying a career that you sacrificed your whole life for.
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If you work for someone you'll never be financially independent.
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Pension you say? So you're depending on the people who pay your pension. Who are probably the same people that you were depending on to pay your wages. Bro you are the opposite of financial independence. You're a 60-something year old dude living on a fixed income.
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Maybe you're just sensitive.
"Nothing"? You just told everyone that you're "financially independent" because after years of working for someone else, and then retiring, they've continued to provide you with income. Doesn't sound very independent to me.
Living on a fixed income doesn't make you very "independent".
I guess people on welfare are "financially independent" by that logic.
And you neglected to mention these as an aspect of your "financial independence" because....?
Only when they disagree with me in a stupid manner. ;)
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"wow...you're a dick...you know that right?" also had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Don't be a hypocrite, it makes you look weak. So does typing angry responses because you feel slighted.
You are financially "dependent" on the people who pay your pension. You live on an allowance that someone else gives you. That you traded your labor for. In other words, you're living on extended wages.
Bro, retiring doesn't make you "financially independent", it makes you retired. The exception would be if you retired at, say, 30. But you didn't, you retired at 57, which is barely a decade early. Pretty much everyone I know who's retired did so in their mid 50's and none of them have any illusions about having ever been "financially independent".
You said you were "financially independent" because of your pension. It was only afterwards that you pulled "investments" out of your butt.
Try to keep up.
I really implore you to follow your own advice, duderino. :) Specifically, you should look up the definition of the word "independent".
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If you're wondering how to deal with this situation when faced with it yourself I would not suggest op's approach.
She's doing it to test her level of control over people. Women exchange favours as means of testing status. The person who can get the most favours while giving the least in return wins and is the queen bee. Watch women and you'll see they constantly exchange little meaningless favours (Annie ask Betty "can you pass me that" followed within a minute or two with Betty asking Annie for a small favour in return)
The exchange of favours does not apply to men. That's different. Women do favours for Alpha's, and Beta's do favours for women. Period.
The first thing any women does in a social group is try to establish herself as higher status than all the beta males. Showing the beta's doing favours for her is the most common way.
They always need you to respond to the request immediately. Because its a test of control over you.
All of this applies to female co-workers (and some types of simps). Not to your female boss.
Acknowledge the request calmly, but don't immeditale say you'll do it. Don't break eye contact from your work with words like ("Hang on a sec"). Basically make her wait a few seconds for you to respond
Check if the request is reasonable (ie aligns with what you do in your job, you're the best person to fulfil it etc)
If its an unreasonable request
Politely and very briefly say no without explaination ("Sorry, I can't do that").
Immediately direct your attention away from her and back to the task you were doing. She's only doing it for the attention and you "mini ghosting" her like this completely destroys any point in talking to you. If people around her become aware she got ignored by you she'll lose status so she'll likely take off immediately.
If she tries to continue to engage you continue to say to politely no, but don't give her the reasons. Simply say "I have to do this" and point to your own work. Make it clear your own work is a higher priority than what she has requested, and continue to ignore any other point she brings up, just repeat you have to do this. Don't justify your current task. She's not your boss.
If she escalates to management, then give them the reasons you think her request was unreasonable.
If the request is reasonable
Never respond to the request immediately. Always give at least a small delay, even if responding immeditaely would make sense. Make her wait. The longer the better. Always make her wait. ("I can do that this afternoon", "I'll be free in fifteen minutes")
She's trying to show everyone she has control over you. But the one who waits is the one without control, so she'll hate being in this spot.
Most of the time she'll try and find someone else to do it for her because waiting makes her feel lower status than you which is the opposite of what she wants to feel. She'll eventually stop asking you for stuff because it doesn't work.
As you fulfil the request make a stupid meaningless request of her while you're doing it. So if you're carrying a box for her, ask her to bring your coffee or pen along for you or something just a meaningless. This puts her in a dilemma. She was trying to win some status by getting a favour out of you, but that gets wiped out if she has to do something for you too. Make sure you do it at the same time, and use the wait time to plan what it will be.
She'll either do what you ask and feel she got nothing out the whole situation since the net favours balance is still equal, or there's a chance she'll try to bitch queen it out and just say no or fuck it up.
If she tries to bitch queen it, then call her out on it. Politely but firmly. ("I'm asking you to do something very simple while I help you. Is there a reason you can't do this? It seems very impolite to not help when you're the one asking a favour").
Bitch queen approach depends on not being called out. If she's able to act like a bitch and no-one says anything, she wins status points. She's so pretty and imporant people let her get away with shit. But if she gets called out, she loses status. So you have to call her out (but without getting angry or upset)
If you do all the above then women will generally stop asking your for meaningless favours. Female co-workers do this shit constantly and its just someting you have to deal with in a modern workplace. You can try to take op's approach but that's stupid. It will give you a justice boner but that's about it. The women won't leave you alone. They'll covertly group together and undermine you since you've made it about gender and are hence attacking all of them. That's not going your own way. That's attracting all the female attention and making your life harder. Do what I suggested and they'll leave you alone which should be what you really want.
You may feel all this stupid shit is a waste of your time and you shouldn't have to deal with it. Mosquitoes are a waste of your time too. They have noting to offer you and you just want them to leave you alone. You still have to learn how to keep them away. They won't go away just because you don't want them around.
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Made it into a submission.
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Working in an office..
Working in an office with a female manager....
Wew. Honestly, you kinda deserve it for putting yourself in that situation in the first place. So sick of hearing these office stories. There really should be a sub dedicated to it or something. I don't know a single corporate person who isn't a miserable fuck and constantly complaining about work drama.
DO NOT WORK IN OFFICES.
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"Have you tried lifting it yourself?" No, but- "Then you don't know it's too heavy. I'm not your servant and I have my own work to do."
I hate working with women. So helpless.
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