Boys are guilty even when innocent

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-02-02T20:02:27+00:00

Apparently due process and standards of evidence are abusive.

IAMULTRAHARDCORE · 2013-02-02T19:43:18+00:00

"Being raped was absolutely nothing compared to having the case closed abusively by the police."

So these women wake up in a strangers bed after a night of partying at a bar, conclude they were raped even though they supposedly can't remember it happening, and then when the police conclude there was no rape the bigger issue is how "mean" the police officer was to them when she closed the case? THIS is "rape culture".

theskepticalidealist · 2013-02-02T22:34:18+00:00

I find it amazing to hear that woman say that its a myth that women lie, when pretty much the only reason we have examples of false accusations at all is when women ADMIT they lied

rockidol · 2013-02-03T00:41:56+00:00

accusation without evidence is false accusation.

Not how it works. The lack of evidence doesn't prove they were lying or even that they were wrong.

HoundDogs · 2013-02-02T20:54:46+00:00

If we were to ask the knights over at SRS, they would say this is full stop rape because they girls were likely inebriated. You can't make this up.

2013-02-02T22:12:44+00:00

I would love to hear the mens side of the story.

Gender-feminists completely dominate main stream media, thats why the old media (top down reporting) is on its way out with the internet.

Pharmakoza · 2013-02-02T21:36:10+00:00

Good cops.

stop_stalking_me · 2013-02-02T23:10:55+00:00

Apparently it's a myth that women lie. WTF? Women can do no wrong I guess.

CertusAT · 2013-02-03T01:06:09+00:00

Lolz

"Why don't you just convict these man! My feelings are all the evidence you neeeeeeeeeeed!"

Pathetic, can't believe the news even picket up on that.

RepublicofTim · 2013-02-03T03:33:31+00:00

I started laughing when the "lawyer" listed "failure to believe the women" under failures of the police.

Idoknow909 · 2013-02-03T00:05:54+00:00

"I stood over a dead body with a bloodied knife and an evil grin but the police abused me because they failed to believe me when I said I had nothing to do with it"

CMOS222 · 2013-02-03T02:13:59+00:00

There's a lot of strange psychological things going on here...one of them seems to be cognitive dissonance. Apparently the women in this case, as well as the so-called sexual assault workers, either can't seem to understand or refuse to admit that some women lie about rape. And as a result, when the police - who do see cases of women lying about rape or sexual coercion (think of the Karla Homolka case in Canada), determine that a rape didn't take place, these women assume the police think ALL women lie about rape. Or take a too-skeptical (i.e., careful) approach to investigating an alleged rape. I think it's possible that after the Karla Homolka case, in the 90s and 2000s local police jurisdictions across Ontario decided to be much more careful and probing about cases of alleged sexual assault. Even if the alleged victims feel victimized by the way the investigations are handled.

Also in fairness to the police, in our society we don't prosecute person A simply because person B "feels" victimized. Regardless of the feelings of person B, there has to be objective evidence that a crime took place - for example, in statutory rape. Even if both the assailant and the victim feel nothing bad took place, having sex with an underage person is a crime and is prosecuted.

The video notes that a very low number of complaints of rape or sexual assault are prosecuted, in comparison to cases of regular assault. I think I can suggest at least part of the reason why. In simple assault, it is far less common that the interaction was 'mutually consensual'. (Except, perhaps, in the case of hockey fights, the parties assault each other and neither is charged beyond a penalty because the interaction is regarded as pretty much consensual.) I don't know why most cases of assault take place, but I think it's safe to assume that prior to the assault, in a significant number of cases the social interaction was unwanted. (Some guy walks up to you in a bar and starts a fight, for example.) Contrast this to sexual assault...it's much more common for sex to be a mutually-desired interaction, so it's far more difficult for investigatory purposes to separate morning-after regret from genuine sexual assault or date rape.

Notice how all the so-called sexual assault experts said not a word about the rights of the alleged assailants, or a word about being fair to them and giving them the right to be assumed innocent until proven guilty.

As an aside, the female detective seems to be using the Reid technique on the two women during the interviews:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_technique

2013-02-02T22:15:17+00:00

This is why law enforcements need to start sending the federal pervert pork back to their governments, and return to charging false rape accusers.

Enabling false rape accusers is going to rip society apart, until their is a backlash...its already happening!!!

yak_butter · 2013-02-03T00:24:05+00:00

If you woke up somewhere, not realizing where you had been the previous 5 or so hours, and that you had engaged in sex that you don't remember, isn't that a legitimate claim of rape? Am I missing something?

What evidence do we have that they are making a false claim?

platypod · 2013-02-03T04:19:20+00:00

I hate to say it, but from that video I have some sympathy for the women.

All the cop should have said was "After fully investigating the matter, we have determined there is insufficient evidence to support a charge." She can't sit there and accuse the women of lying if she isn't going to follow up with charges.

2013-02-03T04:02:02+00:00

So it appears they want to organize so that women are just assumed to be victims and those they accuse are guilty. Fuck due process or the accused having rights, it's too uncomfortable, too much like rape.

brettins · 2013-02-04T20:30:45+00:00

"Being raped was absolutely nothing compared to having the case closed abusively by the police."

Listening to them talk about the rape they don't display any emotional damage like someone who is actually raped tends to show. This statement shows what they're really looking for - for their shame for their mistake to have its blame placed on other people - whoever it can go onto most easily.

Title	Boys are guilty even when innocent
Author	jurupa
Upvotes	74
Comments	52
Date	February 2, 2013 7:17 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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