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ignatiusloyola · 2010-12-23T22:27:38+00:00

The thing to keep in mind is this:

Yeah, there are some deadbeat fathers, and some really despicable men in the world.

But there are also such women as well.

There really isn't a "better" gender, but our society treats men as if they are the "bad" gender.

We don't need to favour men, and we don't need to favour women. We need to take each situation on its own merits and resolve it as an isolated, individual situation. This includes cases of sexism (yes, it still exists), custody, divorce, etc...

NewsWeeks · 2010-12-23T21:43:06+00:00

I'm sorry you and your loved ones had to go through that, but we welcome you with open arms here in r/MensRights. If you don't mind, let me offer you a little advice as you get settled into things: 1. You WILL find misogynists here. Please remember that they speak for a small minority, and that most of us aren't like that. 2. You've already demonstrated an open mind by converting. Please keep it open as you read the stories and articles in this forum. We cover everything from circumcision to domestic abuse to family court. There's a lot to consider and not all of it is easy to digest. 3. And finally, please help us spread the word. We're a small community that sometimes gets a bad rap. Every nice word you send on goes a little way toward helping our fellow human beings out. Thanks again and welcome aboard!

truthiness79 · 2010-12-24T00:50:18+00:00

as someone who doesnt believe in marriage and has no interest in having kids, i originally thought MRA was just a bunch of men suckered into marriage, got screwed in the divorce, and whining about it afterward. my thoughts changed completely though when a very good friend of mine was accused of rape. it took almost a year, but he got off only after her mother came forward and said her daughter was a vindictive liar. i dont even want to think about how things would have turned out if her mother hadnt took the stand. and my brother had to go out of his way to prove that a child wasnt his. its horrible that there are men out there who are paying back-breaking child support for a kid thats not theirs. the idea that i can be accused of rape by a vengeful ex or have my wages garnished for a kid thats not mine is more than enough reason for me to take MRA seriously.

hopeless_case · 2010-12-24T04:22:42+00:00

Similar incidents are what put Men's Rights on my radar and woke me up. My wife's cousin, a very close friend of our family, was hung out to dry by his wife. She slapped herself on one side of her face until it was red and marked up, then called the police and claimed he hit her. When the police arrived, she was holding the ice bag on the side that wasn't swollen. The police officer noticed this, wrote it in the police report, and hauled the guy away anyway to spend a night in prison anyway.

That was just the beginning of his troubles.

dasSchnabeltier · 2010-12-24T03:11:02+00:00

If things are really to be equal we need to take custody battles on a case by case basis rather than always painting the male parent as being the most likely to abuse or neglect kids (especially since this is not true).

If things are really to be equal, where women are now more than half of the work force and more than half of college and university graduates are women, we need to stop looking to men to provide for us in divorce settlements and child support. Women can go to work just as men can; we don't need their money. And if she can't financially support her children, there's a simple solution; share custody with the father so between the two of them they can raise the kids. No need for one parent to leech off the other so long as they can both go to work, right?

Lately I've been telling the men in my life all about the mens' rights movement. I can't draft a piece of legislation or write a paper or do a study, but if I care about the men in my life, I can still warn them what the dangers are, the ways the law can fuck them over, and why they need to be extra careful about who they get involved with. It's kind of crazy that women and men my age still believe females are the only victims, and are oblivious to the abuse of men in industrialized countries.

ruddlebuttsTX · 2010-12-24T03:49:46+00:00

Two summers ago, my parents were in a battle over where my sister and I would attend school the next year: the school where I already attend or a school closer to my mom's house because I live with her.

I supposedly had an amicus attorney on my side, however, she is a lesbian woman with no children and she was clearly just a second attorney for my mother because we told her repeatedly we wanted to remain at our old schools.

The judge ruled in favor of my mom and crazy step dad and my father was demonized because of past outbursts and (true) claims against my step dad and his mental stability.

Luckily, after much pestering on my part, my mom allowed us to remain at our old schools. I have learned a lot from our legal system, mostly that lawyers are blood-sucking harpies who will dance for anyone who is willing to pay them $300/hour. And never get divorced.

argv_minus_one · 2010-12-23T21:29:11+00:00

Welcome aboard, then, sir or madam.

Why were you skeptical of men's rights before?

AnnArchist · 2010-12-23T22:09:17+00:00

Welcome to the team. Its a real mindfuck when you see it IRL isn't it?

You go from har har look @ the MR trolls to oh fuck, why did I wait this long to care.

AyeMatey · 2010-12-24T00:51:43+00:00

Welcome.

It's too bad it takes something like this occurring to someone you know in order to convince you that it's real. It happens. Often. It happens to lots of people.

By the way, I converted for the same reasons you did. It happened to someone I love. A good father lost all custody of his kids and got a protection order. She alleged he was violent in order to cover her own misbehavior as a mother and spouse - drugs, fucking another man, drinking, absolute financial mismanagement. She lied and lobbed allegations until the court believed her.

The father that it happened to... was me.

Fatalistic · 2010-12-23T21:46:08+00:00

I don't know why anyone thinks it is somehow "crazy" "out there" or in any way "whining" in the first place. Why did you have to see some proof first hand to believe, when there's mountains of proof out there?

bzfd · 2010-12-23T23:58:11+00:00

The biasness of the system against men is not a fault of women, but a symptom of the legal system that needs to be addressed. It's not about gender rights, but equality, and Humanist ideologies, that should be at the forefront rather than the idea of sexism. Progressive thoughts are key here, and both men and women have their own breed of assholes that attempt to pit one another against each other.

Nobody_special · 2010-12-24T00:40:55+00:00

Slowly people are coming around.

ucantbeserious · 2010-12-23T22:31:29+00:00

Nice. Welcome to the club. Glad you could make it.

cjl10schic · 2010-12-24T13:03:27+00:00

Most all would agree that in these circumstances, men are discriminated against. However, this discrimination is the result of sociological and legal actions by men (particularly white men) to ensure women's place was in the home and her role in society was only private-sphere workings. Is it fair now? Maybe not. Is the disparity in men's/women's wages and authority gone? Absolutely not. Equality is a facade...unfortunately this is another example.

abomb999 · 2010-12-23T22:07:18+00:00

Yah. It is indeed fucked up! Keep educating yourself and make yourself strong and proud, it's all good from there :D

androk · 2010-12-23T21:47:08+00:00

same as republicans and healthcare. It's bullshit that it needs fixed until they are directly affected.

CorranHorn · 2010-12-24T03:25:10+00:00

The montra I keep is, "I would rather a thousand guilty walk free than one innocent man suffer"

duccy_duc · 2010-12-24T03:37:40+00:00

I believe in men's rights but this sub reddit is full of misogyny.

throwawayaccountoooo · 2010-12-25T22:18:02+00:00

Hahahaha, wow you guys are dumb. All it takes is an account with a hottie attached and you all fell for it, completely. No wonder this movement has no legs at all. Enjoy your holidays alone, you ridiculous, sad, losers.

Liverotto · 2010-12-24T12:49:23+00:00

This must be a first here: Your white guilt as actually made you overcome your male guilt.

Lovekraft · 2010-12-23T22:11:05+00:00

It is kind of like the expression "a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged": A Mens Rights Activist (MRA) is a mangina who has been nagged and belittled by feminists.

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