Improving our subreddit

actingverystrangely · 2016-01-17T09:11:02+00:00

I think there has been a peak in troll activity recently. But why report something just because I don't agree? I suspect some deliberately misogynistic posts recently are from feminists who think that is what we believe, and who want to demonise this sub Reddit. But censorship? Isn't that what feminists do?

I believe that this sub Reddit is beginning to avoid the low effort feminist bashing posts and instead is beginning to focus upon activism and actions that advance men's interests, as well as networking issues of common interest.

What is happening right now is that Twitter is under pressure to rationalise its actions towards @Nero, and his sponsorship of the film about the manosphere is a critical milestone in the history of the men's rights movement.

This is what matters. One of the key media that supports SJW and seems hellbent upon marginalising MRAs and their supporters, (while looking the other way about ISIS' use of Twitter) , is facing sharemarket punishment. A key supporter is winning the war. The Overton Window is moving!

That is ONE issue that we should focus upon. A change gonna come...

JohnKimble111 · 2016-01-18T04:13:37+00:00

Please don't forget to mention the importance of using archives when linking to hate articles or misandrist sites.

DougDante · 2016-01-17T11:50:40+00:00

We Are Being Watched .. Use Your Powers for Good

There is a narrative to maintain about us, and it doesn't include protecting abused foster children ( https://redd.it/3z5idb ), petitioning to protect raped boys in Pakistan ( https://redd.it/3h61gh ) , petitioning to end illegal discrimination against men, boys and their children in domestic violence policing in the US (https://redd.it/3xgw9y) and other nations, forcing Veterans Affairs to take measures to stop their organized crime against veterans ( https://redd.it/3vqb1c), protecting kindergarten boys from discrimination ( https://redd.it/3talvo ), or calling for justice for African American prisoners in Georgia ( https://redd.it/3sh0o1 ).

So go do those things. Disrupt the narrative. Try to help someone who is fatherless or poor.

Ekat_clan · 2016-01-17T06:55:29+00:00

Thank you for this.

EvilPundit · 2016-01-17T11:10:55+00:00

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bigeyedbunny · 2016-01-17T15:55:14+00:00

Another great way to bring much more men to /mensrights is to encourage spreading, sharing and tweeting the Top posts from this subreddit over our Facebooks, Instagrams, Twitters

thrway_1000 · 2016-01-17T12:41:03+00:00

I still think that we need more Mods so troll posts, that have been reported, don't sit up for hours on end.

Hamakua · 2016-01-18T02:08:08+00:00

Currently we have about 10,000 unique visitors each day, and 200,000 uniques per month. That's a lot of people watching.

And that number got there by not censoring what is written on the board and instead letting the community determine what has merit and what doesn't.

The mod team has been pretty damn solid sticking by that up until just recently. all of these "feel good" stickie posts that amount to nothing more than excuses as to why you want to now censor stuff that was previously not censored (just downvoted) reeks of feminist, SJW, PC police "safe space" tactics.

Mod team is in threat of becoming a parody of itself.

I am in part referring to this

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/41boll/this_place_is_not_offering_me_the_sense_of/

Which was, for some unknown reason stickied to the top of the page yesterday.

And now I look below and see a few "comments removed" - Unless they were from our 101 fellow, doxxing, or calling for violence they shouldn't have been removed and instead left to the community.

bigeyedbunny · 2016-01-17T12:17:11+00:00

Is there any website or way to see how many active subscribers a subreddit has? (active like in people who actually login once per week at least)

Thank you

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2016-01-18T03:28:56+00:00

I guess I am a current outsider looking at this sub, my main issue is weirdly that this sub is pretty much just a news group. While self posts happen, they kind of get drowned out by articles.

I am trying to look if there is a straight up self-post discussion place, I am sure it exists, but its not readily available.

TurbulentThinking · 2016-01-20T02:05:18+00:00

Something I've discovered here is that there seems to be a certain amount of yes-manning, where someone will post an article or a link to something that identifies a weakness in the Equality Argument, and it's given the same amount of "that's inexcusable" as any other. While some issues, like unfair sentencing and education deserve real discussion, while other things, like one restaurant somewhere in the middle of Nowhere USA experimenting with a unisex bathroom instead of a men's room, barely deserve out attention, let alone our discussion.

To add to the problem, anyone whose view doesn't match or dissents from that of the original post, or the conclusion drawn from it, is bullied and trolled out of the discussion. I wish I could chalk this up to someone spotting a feminist, but sadly, I've brushed through a few heavily active threads and found that people with actual thought to bring to a discussion (even if it's to play the Devil's Advocate, to which you can tell the difference from a troll) have been put through the wringer, as if to satisfy a need to be right. As if there's a legitimate war being fought, and to back down or surrender would be the end. As a result, dissenting views are trashed, and men who hold them are treated as if they're inferior, brainwashed and feminized.

If that wasn't bad enough, the rules of the subreddit do nothing to discourage this sort of exchange, and (I personally feel) the mods could do more to ensure that a discussion deals with the topic, rather than attacking the speakers. It's great that there's a system to limit the level of spam and shitposting, but we're in need of someone who can tell the difference between someone speaking his mind passionately and aggressively - and the person who is ounce-for-ounce bullying either because they enjoy it, or because they convinced themselves that reddit was their Soapbox.

We could have inspiring conversations about the battle between False Accusations and Fear of Coming Forward (and why those two concepts have been irrationally and illogically connected together). We could potentially reach profound conclusions about the legal systems of the first (and third!) worlds, that either provide divorced dads with a way to see their kids that might not have been apparent or needed until now - who knows? We might even figure out how to deal with this circumcision issue (or genital mutilation, if you prefer the grittier term). But we're not going to get much accomplished by picking fights with one another like a bunch of American politicians, and we're not going to get anything accomplished at all by playing the same Pettiness Game that the radical feminists do.

Naftoid · 2016-01-23T01:00:23+00:00

Can we add a rule about misleading titles? I've seen several times a post get highly upvoted, sometimes even reaching /r/all, when the title doesn't actually match the article. 90% of the people voting are just voting based on the title without actually reading the article. Few things can give this sub a bad reputation like having a post reach /r/all based on a bullshit title.

A lot of other subs will either tag a post as misleading if it's a little misleading, or delete it entirely if it's more blatant. I think this sub should have a similar rule where we can report a post for having a title that doesn't actually match the article, and mods can flair or delete it.

Also can we add a flair for Rape/DV? Or "Violence against men"? We have tags for a few specific topics like false accusations or intactivism, I think Rape/DV is a big enough men's issue to warrant it's own flair

ee4m · 2016-01-17T09:09:13+00:00

Many undecided people are watching us

How much do you know about this demographic?

I've often wondered about it.

atheist4thecause · 2016-01-18T09:09:23+00:00

The Keep Calm and Carry On section is so important. When I first arrived I took a lot of heat and even got banned nearly instantly. I got unbanned with some time, and then I took a lot of heat from people who were skeptical of me mainly because I have atheist in my name so they assumed I was an SJW. Things have gotten much better with time, but I still get legitimate attacks with people being skeptical that I'm even an MRA. Things have been getting much better with time, but if the paranoia is that high then it becomes really hard to work together and the paranoia ends up doing more damage then the actual trolls. Anyways, I'm glad I found this Subreddit and it's overall been very good to me.

victorymonk · 2016-01-17T15:29:45+00:00

I think point 2 is very important point. When having public discussion you don't do it for your opponent but also for people who might later read it. If your opponent is a feminist, it's unlikely you'll be able to persuade her. But then if someone on the fence, or open-minded, later reads it, this person might change his mind.

That's why I agree with mods: troll or no troll, if the question is important, it's better give a meaningful answer.

splodgenessabounds · 2016-01-18T08:59:54+00:00

First, thanks for the work the mods do here - I've been a moderator myself in the past (on a comparatively ^tiny) forum and it was a headache at times. Kudos.**

I get the points made on enquiries about r/mensrights stance and on swinging voters and on the "gosh I never realised..." posts. It does, however, get a bit wearisome answering the same "I'm-new-here-whatabout-ThisIssueThatIBetHasNeverComeUpHereBefore" again and again.

Is it possible (and if so, is it desirable) to have things like the FAQ and What's the Difference? as permanent stickies? I think 3/4 of these noob posts could be dealt with, leaving the interestingly curly ones for open debate.

** I'd prefer cash, used notes preferably. Ta.

Lethn · 2016-01-18T22:39:04+00:00

So long as this subreddit remains committed to free speech and expression and allows people to debate ideas that are otherwise it will survive for a long time. The only time an internet community ever truly dies on the internet is when there are groups or factions that try to take it over and censor everything.

CountVonVague · 2016-01-20T03:08:59+00:00

Personally i think the sub could use more tagged flair, to differentiate between the subjects of posts better and give observers a better glimpse as to what to expect from posters.

skee_ · 2016-01-21T07:12:01+00:00

Political partisanship is a big problem in my view, but I don't see much hope in eliminating it. For example posts that defend Muslims or promote left wing economic views are often downvoted, whereas posts bashing "liberals" and "lefties" are often heavily upvoted. It does happen the other way as well, but seemingly not as often.

__throwaway16384 · 2016-01-21T10:00:50+00:00

The main issue is there is no place for frustrated men to vent where they will be listened to, so they come here. MensRants exists, but nobody uses it.

MRMRising · 2016-01-22T00:35:44+00:00

What we do here is significant; it has an impact on the world.

True, fuck the MSM, we are the media.

Title	Improving our subreddit
Author	EvilPundit
Upvotes	92
Comments	69
Date	January 17, 2016 5:58 AM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/41cbqv/improving_our_subreddit/
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