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Kansas man wrongfully imprisoned for 23 years receives no compensation from state

DougDante

March 4, 2018
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Title Kansas man wrongfully imprisoned for 23 years receives no compensation from state
Author

DougDante

Upvotes 1927
Comments 65
Date March 4, 2018 1:17 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/81xlrq/kansas_man_wrongfully_imprisoned_for_23_years/
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[–]mrwhibbley 341 points342 points343 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

This is absolute bullshit. I understand that wrongful convictions will occur, but something needs to be done to compensate the wrongfully accused. You took time from them and experiences. You took family, their reputation and respect. That needs to be compensated. And if any wrong doing was found, that must be seriously punished.

[–]Lethn 86 points87 points88 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

At the very least they could remove the people who made those convictions from their positions so it doesn't happen again because as we've seen from these false rape accusations in the UK and the amount of blatant corruption the police have been up to it needs to happen.

It wouldn't surprise me though that the reason nothing is happening is because the higher ups will probably have known it was going on and if they got rid of the lower guys they'd testify against them.

[–]someguynamedjohn13 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Some of these people are getting freed after decades. Their accusers and anyone involved on the case may likely be retired or moved on to other careers.

[–]Lethn 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You'd be surprised if it were me, I'd make sure they wouldn't go anywhere near any government job many a time these types of ideologues use these positions as a way of career advancement to something else that's way more safe and well paid.

[–]SSFW3925 46 points47 points48 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The real purpose of the “law” is power and control, not justice. Nothing unexpected here. Very sad, but not unexpected.

[–]KMKEEPS 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In a lot of states you generally have to sue the state to get compensation. Only the lucky few receive anything.

[–]Kn0thingIsTerrible 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The compensation for wrongful conviction in the states that do have it is atrocious, and most people refuse it anyway. That’s why the states that did so did away with it. People would refuse the $10-50k/year or whatever the state offered, and instead sue. While wrongful conviction payouts are pretty crap for what you lost, wrongful conviction lawsuits tend to be extremely lucrative, comparatively speaking.

Let’s say he was in a state with the highest payouts, $50,000. For 23 years, he could get a little over a million bucks.

When people have sued for roughly the same length of imprisonment, they tend to get over five million, up to amounts in the tens of millions.

[–]TheWardylan 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I support law enforcement. I'm just that type of guy. I think it is best to say that upfront.

However, I know that in many states, local law enforcement leaders (think Sheriffs, Police Chiefs, Commissioners) are required to post sureties (bonds of insurance) while they hold office. The same should be required of all members of law enforcement. And it's not a negative. That insurance would cover more than just being sued. Requiring sureties from all LEO would ease the burden on departments.

[–]MisPlacedNeuroBlue 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This sounds like how a doctor carries malpractice insurance - if so, im all for it. It would make the individual more accountable if they became a financial liability too big for the city/county/state to employ any longer should they fuck up big time.

[–]BlueOrange22 74 points75 points76 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Just awful. So many stories lately of men falsely accused of rape, it's clearly something that happens at a relatively frequent rate.

[–]Aarondhp24 58 points59 points60 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Show any human that they can lie without fear of repercussions, and they will do it. Women have learned that lying about rape is the easiest way to spite someone without much fear of punishment.

[–]Fizics 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No. They haven't learned, they've been taught.

[–]jostler57 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not trying to slow your roll, but that's the same thing, effectively.

[–]Fizics 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm trying to imply education by design not osmosis.

[–]KiLl3rZd3LuX3 90 points91 points92 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

That guy deserves a million dollars for every year he spent in prison.

[–]-Steak- 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

The EPA sets the value of human life at $9.1million, varying down to the DoT at $6million.

While he should be compensated, someones entire life is work up to $9, so the govn is going to get a percentage from that.

[–]KiLl3rZd3LuX3 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

EPA sets the value of human life

Those are statistics that apply to the average person but who knows what he could have accomplished if he wasn't thrown in jail under bogus circumstances.

[–]someguynamedjohn13 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Likely less than 1 million.

I'm assuming $35,000 a year for 23 years.

[–]luminousfleshgiant 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a pretty big assumption.

[–]someguynamedjohn13 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I assumed a high school education, lived in the midwest, and the fact he was black means he will likely under earn a white guy with bachelor's in an east coast state.

$35,000 is likely on par based on this

[–]Dronelisk 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah but he's not just any man, he's a man born and educated in a first world country. I reckon his value would be much, much higher than some poor kid dying in africa.

[–]Gonzobaba 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/nocontext

[+]The_German_One1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I guess EPA is the Environmental Protection Agency.

But what is DoT?

[–]locks_are_paranoid 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Department of Transportation

[–]DougDante[S] 42 points43 points44 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tweet with me to seek justice:

#Kansas "Worse, according to McIntyre's current lawyers, lead police detective Roger Golubski built the case by threatening witnesses." Pos conspiracy ag rights @FBI @CivilRights @TheJusticeDept @realDonaldTrump @senjudiciary #mensrights #BlackLivesMatter https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kansas-man-wrongfully-imprisoned-23-years-no-compensation-from-state/

[–]domeier33 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If they find that detective guilty of those accusations, he should be stripped of his pension. We all know who could use that pension.

[–]SSFW3925 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Somebody should do one of those gofundme things for this guy.

[–]seasonpasstoeattheas 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Only for a lawyer so he can sue these cunts

[–]SchrodingersRapist 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It wont be the cunt(s) who are paying for it though. It will be the Kansas tax payers. They should be going after the pensions of the judge, DA, and detective on his case but wont/cant.

The real problem is that Kansas gives more help to people who actually serve their time and get out of prison than to those exonerated. If he had finished a sentence they would have helped him find housing, employment, and job training. Because they just exonerated him they offer nothing at all.

[–]seasonpasstoeattheas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are correct about the tax payers money it just infuriates me so much. I was Definitely just shooting off in anger. Something needs to be taken to Kansas legislature and make sure this shit stops.

[–]stankbucket 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If he tracks the cop down and murders him in his sleep they might not want me on the jury because I would not be able to convict the guy.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol right? Theres not much I can think of, that this guy could do for revenge, that I probably wouldn't just be like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]mactroneng 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does "not offering compensation" mean "no chance of winning a lawsuit for compensation"?

[–]UserM16 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've learned about A LOT of wrongful conviction cases and the good work that the people at the Innocence Project perform.

It seems that the majority of the time, law enforcement coerce statements, hide evidence, coerce and pay witnesses, and or just need a patsy fall guy. And other times, the prosecutors office is negligent, hide evidence, or corroborate with law enforcement to convict for the sole purpose of adding to their conviction rate.

I feel that if found innocent, monetary compensation is not enough. When they find that there was negligence or willful misconduct, a full investigation should be launched and a mandatory minimum equivalent sentence should be on the table.

This is a country of checks and balances. And in the criminal justice system, we need an executioner to keep them honest and accountable.

[–]FubukiAmagi 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He didn't do the crime, but he paid the time. Give him a "get out of jail free" voucher that is good for one crime of his choosing, so long as the sentence doesn't surpass what he already spent time for, and if he chooses to anyway, jail him for the difference.

[–]boshin-goshin 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

“Kansas is one of 18 states that offer wrongfully convicted prisoners no compensation at all upon their release.”

I can take a good solid guess as to the political makeup of those states.

[+]ShutUpWesl3y1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

It’s full of red and blue states

[–]boshin-goshin 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You know what? I’m surprised too and stand semi-corrected.

[–]ShutUpWesl3y3 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It’s probably states that just happened to make a law to protect themselves for overzealous prosecutors and bad juries/judges

[+]Angry_Alchemist1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm surprised FL isn't in this list. Sounds like something Floridians would espouse. "Fuck em all, sort em out later!" Seems to be the general idea here.

And get the FUCK outta the left lane!

[–]ShutUpWesl3y2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Have you ever intentionally paid more in taxes than you had to?

[–]The_Original_Gronkie 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Just look at him. If he didn't get convicted for this, he would have been convicted of something else anyway. /S.

[–]Vandechoz 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

to be fair, in many of these cases these guys have records already -- that's how the cops find them for the lineups in the first place...and also how defense lawyers convince them to plead out

[–]boshin-goshin -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Sigh. I bet that’s a common refrain there. How little they consider the basic dignity of a man based on superficial characteristics alone.

[–]The_Original_Gronkie 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I've literally heard that multiple over the years from various people, including cops.

[–]boshin-goshin 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's something deeply, profoundly wrong with law enforcement in America. I get the feeling that the current system selects for psychopaths to a disturbing and wholly unnecessary degree.

[–]93re2 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not quite on the topic of psychopathy, but this article may be of interest to you.

[–]boshin-goshin 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve heard about that kind of thing. Sickening.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They won't compensate because of the money being spent to keep him in there. Haha fucking glorious int it?

[–]Hunchmine 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm this whole ordeal sounds quite ahem - CRUEL AND UNUSUAL to me. Just sayin’

[–]cabe565 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I’m not for the death penalty.

[+]tigrn9141 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Put the woman in prison for 10 years. Have the same statute of limitation removal for false rape accusations as there are for rape accusations.

[–]oioi_polloi 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He was charged with homicide

[–]dmgll 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

10 years? She should do the whole time for actual rape + 23 years

[–]Funklestein -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While it sucks for this guy it should be noted that if a state is required to pay for a wrongful conviction, which was usually decided by other citizens, then the state would have a motive to not release innocent people. The last thing we want is to have the government not release you because it would be cheaper to keep you in prison.

[–]Xeuton -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Right, this is totally because he's a man, and has nothing to do with any other demographics he might be part of...

[–]bufedad 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The gender sentencing gap is 6 times the racial sentencing gap.

A black man is 5 times better off being treated like a black woman than a white man by the justice system

[–]Xeuton 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Uh-huh. This ain't about the sentencing gap, though. It's about wrongful imprisonment and lack of compensation. If the length of the sentence is your takeaway, I can only see that as a way to connect this with mens rights even at the cost of ignoring the majority of the unjust factors, which fall on the other side of the demographic intersection.

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This ain't about the sentencing gap, though.

Yep, the Justice System only starts treating men more harshly at sentencing... obviously.

It's about wrongful imprisonment and lack of compensation.

Wrongful imprisonment is a male problem. Lack of compensation is neither, as it's legislated by the state.

If the length of the sentence is your takeaway, I can only see that as a way to connect this with mens rights even at the cost of ignoring the majority of the unjust factors, which fall on the other side of the demographic intersection.

Sorry, no. Every study shows the justice gap between men and women is far larger than the justice gap between whites and blacks.

[–]Xeuton -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Jesus, you're more Kool-Aid than man at this point. I'd be better off arguing with a bot.

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'd be better off arguing with a bot.

Yes, I'm sure you have an easier time arguing against machines that can't refute your points.

[–]Xeuton 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You haven't even brought any proof to back up your statements. I get that you disagree, and I acknowledge that I haven't brought any proof either so we're really just comparing opinions at this point, but if you're going to claim that every study backs up a particular point without offering even a single one, it definitely undermines your argument.

This whole back-and-forth has been a waste of time for both of us, which is sad since we both ultimately care about justice, and are coming at it from different directions.

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You haven't even brought any proof to back up your statements.

That the justice system treats men and women differently?

WashingtonPost

Number of white men killed by police in 2017 - 431.

Number of black women killed by police in 2017 - 9.

You want the starr gender sentencing disparity report?

The Innocence project has only exonerated 4 women out of 354 cases and 25 years.

This whole back-and-forth has been a waste of time for both of us, which is sad since we both ultimately care about justice, and are coming at it from different directions.

We both care about justice. The gender bias in the justice system is 6 times the racial bias.

Black Lives Matter makes no sense. Not because there isn't a problem with police killing black men, but because there is a problem with police killing white men, and there isn't a problem with police killing women of any race (9 black women and 45 white women over the entire year of 2017).

[–]DougDante[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

intersectionality

[–]Xeuton 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...is a noun? Look, it doesn't take a sociology degree to understand that, historically and statistically, the issue of wrongful imprisonment and lack of state compensation for such is far more strongly associated with blackness than maleness.

On a purely logical level, the fact that there is an intersection between this person's blackness and maleness does not automatically mean that this is as much about this person's maleness as their blackness.

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