Mens Lib

goodmod · 2018-12-02T00:02:46+00:00

Welcome!

You've added to the number of leftists here, so that's something.

I prefer it when we talk issues rather than politics - it's easier to get along that way. But we do talk politics sometimes.

Minimal_minimal · 2018-12-02T00:11:48+00:00

Heyhey! I'm a lefty and from Feminist Scandinavia. I find more open-minded and truly equally oriented people here than on men'slib.

I personally don't care what people here vote. We're united because we have a common goal. Let's be happy about that and be ok with not agreeing about everything in life.

bearclaw5 · 2018-12-02T02:18:21+00:00

I think the reason most people here are not leftist is because the left has traditionally been the champions of feminism, which has become toxic. Personally, I am pretty left and get where you are coming from, leftism is about equality, not gynocentrism.

CHUNKIN_ON_THE_DUDS · 2018-12-02T03:00:51+00:00

My issue with men's lib is that they assume all of men's issues are socially imposed on them only by other men. As if feminists are blameless.

Abbysol · 2018-12-02T00:27:21+00:00

Yay, more lefties :D You shall add to our ranks and we shall rise!

Not that it matters since most issues that get touched on here are fairly central and more human rights focused :)

DignifiedAlpaca · 2018-12-02T02:43:05+00:00

The MensLib group reminds me of White People who talk about "hating being White"

That's exactly how I interpret them as well. They seem to have this collectivist way of thinking where they feel that all men and only men are to be blamed for the issues that women face. And then they also seem to feel that all men and only men are to be blamed for the issues that men face as well. It's both extremely creepy and unproductive.

As far as the left / right thing goes, I (and possibly many others on here) think like a left-wing person and traditionally voted that way, but nowadays I feel like the left has abandoned its principles. It's not that I am truly right-wing all of a sudden, it's just that I don't feel like there is anywhere else to go.

tomothy37 · 2018-12-02T06:55:46+00:00

Based on the comments here, it sounds like there are far more leftists here (myself included) than it might seem. I don't think men's rights is (or should be) a "left vs right" problem, I think it needs to be an "everyone" problem.

I don't think it's fair that toxic feminists identify as leftists, and then that's what being a lefty means. I consider myself strongly liberal, but here I am agreeing with almost everything I see on this sub. In fact, frankly, I didn't even realize that people tend to think this sub is a place for conservatives until I read your post and the comments here.

duhhhh · 2018-12-02T03:08:37+00:00

IMO, the help people left is good (1950s-1980s left in the US). IMO, the demonize white men left is bad (2010s left in the US). In the last presidential election I was disgusted by both major party candidates and voted for 1980s style left candidate Stein in a state Trump couldn't win ... I was called a misogynist for voting for the "wrong woman" and had a few seemingly smart friends refuse to talk to me since. If Dems were to put forth a moderate inclusive left candidate in 2020 they will take the presidency by a landslide. Based on how much Dem leadership did not like pretty far left "help people" style Bernie who was very popular with left voters and how Dems have acted since Trump won, I expect Trump to be re-elected in an identity politics vs identity politics pissing contest.

cuteman · 2018-12-02T05:35:34+00:00

Men's lib on reddit was started by against men's rights.

user_miki · 2018-12-02T08:45:14+00:00

Welcome ,I'm on the right(center),I hate socialism and communism,too many on left here and outside and nothing changed. Feminism is as left as you can find, so why you don't fix that, instead you congratulate yourselves how left of the left you all are.

Stop left "dick" contest and do something useful or not.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2018-12-02T13:45:34+00:00

They have a post up now about good male role models and, surprise surprise, every single one of them grew up without any good men in their lives and developed a fear and mistrust for men as a result.

MalibuStayZ · 2018-12-02T17:16:23+00:00

Feel you man. I also didn't understand at first why the people here disliked them and even thought that it might be a better sub for me, because I find this sub from time to time too negative and too right-winged. But then I noticed how heavily moderated Mens Lib is, for views which I found totally legit.

And also their views on acceptable gender roles for men seem extremely narrow to me: the whole sub seems to only consist of liberal educated middle-class men and women living in monogamy or serial monogamy or at least striving for it, maybe married and with kids. Other lifestyles like lifelong bachelor, or hedonist with many One-Night-Stands seem to be very disdained there. Men's liberation not at all. Meanwhile you obviously shouldn't criticise women for views like "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" or their promiscuity.

Also don't you dare to criticise feminism.

Now I also prefer MensRights a lot even if I disagree with many things and get downvoted into oblivion from time to time. XD

ThePigmanAgain · 2018-12-02T01:14:22+00:00

Y'all aren't perfect (It'd be nice to see more Leftists and Far-Leftists)

Another Leftist and i were recently discussing that problem. Fact is, we have too many right wing idiots in this place and we need more left wing idiots in order to balance things out. Heh.

omegaphallic · 2018-12-02T04:58:49+00:00

Fellow lefty hear!

I nicked named menslib the Christian Rock of the MRM.

Still at this point I just pity them, but I don't take them too seriously. They are violent and as sock puppets feminists they have almost zero real clout in feminism.

Terraneaux · 2018-12-02T08:46:19+00:00

Lefty here. Of the "I think gay doctors should be able to get married and defend their abortion clinics from saboteurs with AR-15's" type.

In my undergrad, I had an instructor for comparative mythology who spent a lot of time chatting up the women about how oppressed they were, and talking shit about men in general. Most hardcore social justice-oriented instructor I had (before that was even too big a thing). Proud feminist etc. It turns out, however, that he was an instructor at a private girls' Catholic high school prior to this, and he had groomed one of his students, had sex with her, and then had her move in with him after she graduated. When this came out recently he got MeTooed, dunno too much about things after that.

Anyway, the people who shit on men as a class are usually like that; they're terrible people who are looking for justifications as to why they're not any worse than anything else, for houdining themselves out of culpability for rape or abuse or whatever by saying that it was the patriarchy programming them to do it, and all other men are the same way. Honestly a lot of the true believers over in menslib are a lot like that; there's also some sociopaths who see Feminism as a hatchet to use against other men they're in competition with.

Maito_Guy · 2018-12-02T09:37:55+00:00

There is a pretty even left/right split in the mens movement. I would imagine a slight to moderate majority of American MRA's voted for Trump though.

Solid_Rice · 2018-12-02T04:32:54+00:00

Fellow Lefty here. Fuck Trump. And Fuck /menslib

TheSpaceDuck · 2018-12-02T13:26:56+00:00

My views are also more left than right yet I have the same feeling as you. I remember once in a post mentioning in the comments the CDC statistics showing the amount of men raped each year and the percentage that reported a female attacker. It got removed. Any place of discussion that censors any evidence or statistics of issues men face cannot consider itself a men's rights group. And there's no way I'd ever agree with that just because my views are more left than right.

IThrewAwayMyPassword · 2018-12-02T17:57:07+00:00

Welcome fellow lefty. Like others have said most of the issues people bring up are centrist/humanist, but I have seen this be a place to have civil political discussion.

medi3val6 · 2018-12-02T03:21:03+00:00

I'm curious how you mesh liberalism with men's rights when one is actively undermining the other?

jason1009 · 2018-12-02T03:39:20+00:00

I thought I was left. Every day that goes by, another reason emerges to why Trump won and will win again. If things continue, I may even consider voting for him. I really hate most mainstream politicians but would actually vote for him to spite the way our culture treats people like me.

platesizedareola · 2018-12-02T09:57:02+00:00

I only go to that sub when I need a good laugh. Its a joke.

saikon_1485 · 2018-12-02T11:41:11+00:00

newsflash- the far left is cancer.

perplexedm · 2018-12-02T20:19:50+00:00

Menslib is nothing but he4she feminism and nothing else.

maxcorrice · 2018-12-02T08:15:25+00:00

I created r/liberalmensrights if you wanna try to add to that, hasn’t been working well but I did do that

Lupinfujiko · 2018-12-03T16:45:05+00:00

You hit the nail on the head in your description of MensLib.

I used to consider myself on the "left" as well. But it has gotten increasingly difficult to have an actual, rational conversation with these people.

Everything is "racist", "misogynist", or "bigoted".

Brett Kavanaugh. Don't even get me started.

The left has lost its way. And I think a great number of people are realizing this. Hence the "rise of the right".

I personally feel that until you realize the disingenuous and dangerous authoritarian nature of this current manifestation of the "left", you will be fighting for the wrong side.

Ex0tictoxic · 2018-12-04T21:20:48+00:00

Can I just say that there is tons of political diversity on this sub as you may not expect. The main stream like to depict us all as Conservatives, and while there are Conservatives among us, we accept our differences however we unite under the fact we agree on one issue.

There are Cons, Libs, and the whole range on this sub. I'm personally a Centrist so I don't affiliate really with either/or. So welcome, and have fun browsing the sub!

Title	Mens Lib
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Upvotes	87
Comments	131
Date	December 1, 2018 11:57 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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