Question: Why do you call it men's rights? Answer: Because the continued disenfranchisement of boys and men needs to be addressed specifically

rg57 · 2014-07-10T03:59:50+00:00

I think more will get done by banding together with whatever other groups will recognize the issues of men and boys. And I think that will be easier with a more inclusive name.

Women, men, and others, share common concerns in:

not being cut as children
receiving decent education
being treated with similar levels of respect and mockery in the media
raising children, or choosing not to
managing their family relationships
equal treatment in hiring and pay for the same work
equal treatment by government
not being scapegoated
not being forced into roles or segregated based on others' determination of their gender
etc

I see "men's rights" as a component, and in the short term apparently the most significant part, of a larger gender equality movement. But I wouldn't use "men's rights" to name the whole thing.

the concept of "rights" is unpopular, but people like "equality"
the issues males experience usually start when we are boys... "men" is too narrow even for males
focusing only on men repeats the failures of feminism, and can result in simply tilting the seesaw, rather than fixing problems

In the long term, I want to see people from an equality, freedom, evidence-based foundation shake loose the stranglehold that dogmatic feminism has on academia, media, and government. If it's only about males, then at best it's a "me too" movement, always second.

DavidByron2 · 2014-07-09T23:00:19+00:00

Which is why I always ask people "what women's issues?"

Even feminists these days can easily name several major issues facing men, but never any facing women.

DougDante · 2014-07-10T03:49:49+00:00

Because there are issues that affect men and boys, that dont largely affect anyone else, and are a direct result of government actions and abuses?

circuitology · 2014-07-10T17:19:26+00:00

Case in point, this story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/07/09/in-sexting-case-manassas-city-police-want-to-photograph-teen-in-sexually-explicit-manner-lawyers-say/

/r/mensrights: 3557 upvotes, and 93,976 subscribers

/r/news: 2594 upvotes, and 3,210,847 subscribers

/r/feminism? Just 74 upvotes, and 37,256 subscribers

But no, you guys have it covered. /s

Ironically, a comic making fun of people pointing out that feminism doesn't really help men, is currently at 305 upvotes, and has only been posted there for a few hours longer than the one above.

ihoptdk · 2014-07-10T08:11:01+00:00

Boys are falling prey to the same kind of issues that girls are. They are just as shoehorned into specific gender roles and are more and more commonly forced to hide emotions that they don't understand. This in turn is more commonly leading to depression and anger issues that they are not equipped to deal with.

AdumbroDeus · 2014-07-10T18:34:32+00:00

Of course, a men's movement is a good thing, exploring the interaction between different identities and oppression is what oppression is all about and pretty much any mainstream feminist sees men's issues as worthy concerns (if for no other reason, because the experience of queer men makes men's gender roles and the issues therein obvious).

The objection in feminists educated about what MRM actually stands for is generally that MRM has issues, namely the denial of issues women face. This article pretty much reflects my views: http://www.refinery29.com/2014/07/70393/mra-mens-rights-conference

unbannable9412 · 2014-07-10T18:36:00+00:00

We call it men's rights because if we didn't feminists would co-opt it and ooze into it like the viscous, and caustic human slime that they are and further erode the rights of men as they have been doing for decades.

Just as they've done with every other rights related cause out there.

ouragan-de-genial · 2014-07-10T01:43:01+00:00

Disenfranchisement? Do you understand that word? Just because others now have the same rights as you does not mean you now have fewer rights. Now that women can be your equal or you boss does not mean you are disenfranchised. If you were, you would lose the right to be the boss of women. How about we create a society for men who think like this where they lived truly disenfranchised, as so many other groups do around the world? Understand that being disenfranchised would mean no more voting, the rule of thumb now applies to you, better not step out of line and cover up everything.

You are not disenfranchised. You are whiny neck beard losers whining because a woman in power has made you feel emasculated, so you feel the need for a "Men's Rights" movement. Suck it up. You want Men's Rights? Get off your ass and work half as hard as the woman who pissed you off. You'll be her boss in a year because you're a man. But you'd rather whine and claim feminine privilege every time a male loses his job to a woman, a woman get promoted, or a male is convicted. Did it ever occur to you that maybe the woman deserved the job she was promoted to, or that the man who lost his job sat around on reddit all day? Or, heaven forbid, the man was an actual rapist?

This self victimization is disgusting. Men are not, and never have been in the course of human history, the "weaker" sex, speaking in terms of power over the other and power over the group.

Oh, and you might want to check a dictionary before using a word so far out of your vocabulary.

Disfranchisement (also called disenfranchisement) is the revocation of the right of suffrage (the right to vote) of a person or group of people, or through practices, prevention of a person exercising the right to vote.

Men can still vote and in many other countries are the only ones allowed to vote. If allowing women to vote is what you mean by disenfranchisement, you are 90 years too late for that argument.

Title	Question: Why do you call it men's rights? Answer: Because the continued disenfranchisement of boys and men needs to be addressed specifically
Author	DougDante
Upvotes	52
Comments	86
Date	July 9, 2014 10:00 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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