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EeAreEyeSea · 2022-02-18T09:46:24+00:00

If feminists would remember the actual definition of feminism, nobody would disagree with them

However, they demand more and more elevated rights and demonize men. That is not the act of equality. “Feminists” want more and men to have less

Really they should be rebranded. Feminazi wraps it up pretty nicely

Kindly-Town · 2022-02-18T10:03:38+00:00

Feminism is about women's rights is as true as Hitler was about empowerment of Germany.

erik-the-first · 2022-02-18T10:08:23+00:00

Feminists have been about female superiority since the beginning. And they've convinced women to be so entitled that women actually believe they are superior now so they think feminism is fine. Until women become less entitled and selfish, marriage rates will decline and men will go their own way. It will be women that suffer more.

DevonDekhran · 2022-02-18T09:47:27+00:00

Yeah no, you're just wrong

RandomHuman2354 · 2022-02-18T10:23:08+00:00

Here's why I think feminism isn't about women's rights.

I used this to talk about feminism recently withan open minded feminist.

There are multiple reasons for me not supporting feminism. Also I don't presently remember all reasons but I would edit in more reasons when I remember them.

Feminism says they support equality of both genders but rarely highlight men's issues.

Feminism is against wage gap but it has been debunked. (In case you want to know more about how this is debunked you can reply and ask for that.)

Feminism fights against manspreading but we need to spread legs to not crush balls attached in front of groin area. Many people ask how do men sit in bikes while protecting their balls and the answer is simple - we still spread our legs in bikes and balls are in the front of groin area just resting around there.

Whenever there's anything in support of men's rights (like new laws supporting men's rights or men's rights public speech) feminists protest against it, which shows how much they are against free speech. In case you think there is no need for men's rights you can talk to me about that because I have multiple reasons to provide

Conclusion: Feminism feels like it's just a female supremacist movement because of how much they are against men and their rights, and make up issues which don't exist (wage gap, manspreading) to get extra privileges for women. I know there are some people in feminism who support equality but majority of the movement doesn't collectively support equality and movement is defined by what it collectively does.

Ok_Stress_4977 · 2022-02-18T09:44:27+00:00

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Epipha-tree · 2022-02-18T10:46:10+00:00

The OP won't actually discuss any real points with you guys. She's too busy trying to stop her cats from being mean to her hamster. She has time to be overly sacarine and condescending though

mikesteane · 2022-02-18T11:05:03+00:00

This thread is just a waste of time. You need to define what you mean by women's rights. Are you including the right to receive child support from a man tricked into believing he was the father? The right to "affirmative action", special grants, special treatment such as lower sentences in courts? Your question is so poorly worded that it is impossible to answer.

If feminism is the same thing as women's rights, then it is not about equality, which would be about everybody's rights.

As for the term feminazis, it is an accurate description of some calling themselves feminists who talk about such things as the "end of men" or "reducing the male population to 10%".

PS You seem to have had a lot of bad luck in life. I strongly suspect you are doing something wrong. If I am right, you need to make some changes or the same things will keep happening.

Frosty-Gate-8094 · 2022-02-18T11:12:54+00:00

I am personally not against women's rights..

I am against the narrative that feminism is for gender equality.

This is copy paste of another if my comments

MRA issue is that feminism lobbies for gender-biased anti-men laws, and spreads misandry. Both in real and digital world. So, for men to have equal rights, feminism needs to be eliminated or at least deplatformed from all educational, political and diplomatic spheres (UN women)...

I'll elaborate.

Feminism has only fought for equal rights for 'women'. They have neither fought for equal responsibilities for nor equal rights for men.
Example - voting (rights) vs draft (responsibility)
Feminism has actively lobbied for gender-biased laws in almost all countries and have opposed gender-neutral laws, and even got them overturned.
Example- They opposed gender-neutral rape laws in Israel (2009) and India (2013).
Feminism doesn't include men in discussion around bodily freedom , bodily integrity (MGM/FGM), sexual violence, domestic violence, and reproductive rights (rights to not revoke paternity for non-bio kids, and protection of men against reproductive coercion including sperm-jacking)
F on M rape and the gender biased rape laws are downplayed and people who raise them are silenced or cancelled. (Or called incels)
Feminists support the status-quo of family courts even though pretty much everybody knows that they are biased. And oppose gender-neutral amendments like 50-50 custody bill.
Lastly feminism perpetuates faulty concepts like patriarchy, toxic masculinity and indoctrinates preteen boys and girls with bigoted views.. Leading to poor academic abd social performance of boys.

There are more, but these sums up most of what I have to say.

Feminism is NOT a gender-equality movement. Something that you have admitted in your title post...
But the problem runs much deeper. They engage in anti-male laws, shame and cancel men who oppose their narrative. And indoctrinate preteen boys and girls with a biased narrative, that hasn't even been scientifically tested.

If you still think feminism is good. Go ahead be feminist. But people that oppose feminism, aren't misogynists. We are your political opponent.
And in the principle of democracy, if the political majority silences or prevents their opponents from expressing views, its the highest form of offense towards democracy.

Sooner or later, such democracy will fall apart. Be warned!

the-banana-dude · 2022-02-18T11:20:29+00:00

Communism is supposed to be about equality. I support equality. But I'm still not a communist, and anyone worth one's salt would think the same.

Feminism is more than equal rights. It is an ideology and movement that has come to encompass and include a rather hostile mob, that alienates the men THAT THEY SHOULD BE TRYING TO GARNER SUPPORT FROM. It's beyond me how foolish one must be to think one can bully a group into aiding ones cause. But I digress.

It is blatantly obvious that women have equal rights, if not more so than men, in most western countries. Which doesn't make sense if feminism is the strongest in these countries right? It should be mission accomplished? Again, feminism does not exclusively = equal rights.

And a final food for though. Feminists are allegedly the biggest supporters of the LGBTQ movement and the removal of "labels", including for biological sex. Idc what you want to identify as, not my business, BUT isn't it super ironic that you get so bloody pressed when someone doesn't want to be labelled a feminist? Especially after the toxicity that you must be able to see is prevalent?

Ok_Comment_8515 · 2022-02-18T11:34:53+00:00

Their is a difference between feminism and women's rights. Firstly femism can refer to a form of political advocacy. Political advocacy can always have problems no matter the cause. For example feminist advocacy about domestic abuse have historically been accompanied by a fierce opposition to making these laws gender neutral. As such feminist advocacy has often done as much harm as Good.

Secondly feminisism has also become a academic lens through which we can analyse a situation in terms of patriarchy. This assumption of patriarchy is so bad and useless in 99% of the time it leads to horrible analysis of situations. Which then leads to horrible solutions.

I agree though feminazi is a bit far. However we should be able to call a spade a spade

hostergaard · 2022-02-18T15:29:23+00:00

That is where you are wrong. Feminism and female rights are two very different things. Feminism is about female privilege and stigmatization of men. Sexism and misandry is at its heart. We are against the ideology of hate called feminism, not womens right.

Ok_Stress_4977 · 2022-02-18T17:55:22+00:00

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syedalired21 · 2022-02-18T09:42:19+00:00

I thought gender was a social construct... what is meant by a "women" in "women's rights"?

AzLibDem · 2022-02-18T13:49:02+00:00

There is literally no difference between the two

While this may have been true in the early days of feminism, that is no longer the case in practice, as the successive "waves" have been progressively anti-male.

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Author	Ok_Stress_4977
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Date	February 18, 2022 9:12 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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