Republicans move to strike Dem proposal to include women in the military draft

McFeely_Smackup · 2022-10-12T23:24:54+00:00

FYI, people tend to accept the "Draft = women dying in combat" line that's used to justify the emotional motivation to exclude women, and it's 100% a lie.

In times of war, non combat support troops outnumber combat roles about 10 to 1. Even if we never put a single woman in combat, they could still be drafted to fill those 10 support roles.

There is zero legitimate reason to exclude women from the draft, it's all political theater and outright lies.

Grizzleswitch · 2022-10-12T23:49:37+00:00

Sorry, but equality of benefit should come with equality of responsibility.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2022-10-12T21:30:38+00:00

Tradcons and feminists, name a more iconic duo.

Wafflebot17 · 2022-10-12T21:17:24+00:00

Abolish the draft entirely conscription is slavery I don’t want women drafted or men drafted.

blaizken_420 · 2022-10-13T01:11:03+00:00

Imagine supporting political parties.

rsa1x · 2022-10-12T21:24:45+00:00

Like I said many times before: conservatives are not men's allies. They are just differently bad compared to feminists

ABCAJB · 2022-10-12T19:50:13+00:00

For those who don't know the current selective service system discriminates based on gender making the current system unconstitutional violating the 14th amendment of the constitution and the equal protections clause.Please consider signing my petition that calls on congress and the senate to either abolish the selective service system or expand it to everyone to have equality in the law.

Link to the petition: https://chng.it/mtgBd6yn

DavidByron2 · 2022-10-12T19:48:03+00:00

It's all a pantomime. "Both" sides oppose it.

And the USSC who has the job of declaring the existing law unconstitutional refused to act on the basis that Congress said it would - which was a lie as everyone knew. And now it's proven a lie the USSC is still refusing to act. Again "both" sides (Congress and the Supreme Court this time) oppose it.

dw87190 · 2022-10-12T20:07:22+00:00

Feminists: "Of course men support right wing parties, right wingers serve men"

Right wing parties: ...

OnThatSigmaGrindset · 2022-10-12T20:07:14+00:00

tradcons are against men's rights activism

who would've guessed?

Donut_of_Patriotism · 2022-10-13T00:09:36+00:00

So republicans don’t want equality between men and women? Got it.

Fearless-File-3625 · 2022-10-12T22:52:09+00:00

For anybody who is saying including women would harm the military, Department of defence in their 2016 report concluded that their is no reason to not include women in SS, other than of course tradcon man hating.

From NCFM's petition in the supreme court.

The Department of Defense has acknowledged that extending the registration requirement to women carries many benefits. See 2017 Defense Report, supra, at 17-19. The Commission has concluded there is no rationale for continuing to exclude women. See Inspired to Serve, supra, at 116. And addressing the issue now—when there is no threat of the draft being reinstated—leaves time for Congress and the military to remedy the issue. Any reliance interests that may exist, moreover, do not “outweigh the countervailing interest that all individuals share in having their constitutional rights fully protected.” Arizona v. Gant, 556 U.S. 332, 349 (2009).

hawkeyepitts · 2022-10-13T00:40:54+00:00

The Republican platform consists of one main goal: oppose anything that Democrats support.

The Republican Party is NOT men’s friend. They want us to be soldiers to go die in the wars that make them rich. They want men who do hard or dangerous jobs to have limited worker’s rights and no job benefits, so their CEO friends can pocket more money for themselves instead of paying employees enough to live comfortably. They want men to struggle to afford healthcare, so we can die when we’re no longer perfectly healthy to keep working for their benefit.

Republicans want men to marry, have 4 or 5 kids they can’t afford, and be locked into their job they can’t afford to leave so the oligarchs can make more money off him. If you don’t marry/kids, conservatives will call you weird/gay/loser/weak. They do NOT want men to be human beings with individual rights.

Their other main goal is to make sure we keep being fodder for them to stay rich. Gays, guns and abortion is just smoke and mirrors to keep people from realizing how much they’re fucking the average man straight up the ass.

ThE dEMoCrAtS aReN’t PeRfEcT eItHeR, but at least they’re the party who’ll occasionally (try to) throw a bone to the working class majority and the party who will even pretend like men are individual human beings who deserve an equal chance at life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

FUCK_IDEOLOGUES · 2022-10-13T04:12:31+00:00

Kinda interesting how MRA gets painted as right wing fanatics and here’s the Dems trying to vote in one of the major complaints to level the playing field and the conservatives are… being conservative. I get it though, in a modern world it should be fair, but if your goal for the world is a return to traditional values and traditional nuclear families… I agree with Mcfeely though, it’s definitely not as dangerous as it’s being made out to be. War is not what it was in the early 1900s. We had less than 2,500 deaths in Afghanistan over 20 years, just over 1,800 civilian contractors.

On another note, how about being paid a reasonable wage for putting your life on the line. If It was life changing money it may be a different story. Especially when so many of the guys come back to an uncaring cold civilian world, end up working shit jobs because none of the training was relevant.

OctaviaPinfold · 2022-10-13T09:29:40+00:00

I bet this time no feminist or woman will freak out that "old white men" are making decisions about them.

Forcing our daughters, mothers, wives and sisters to fight our wars is wrong

Funny how they imply that "our" means "every man's" as if the average man had any say in when a country goes to war. Really the only thing the average person can do is to vote for politicians, so unless they acknowledge that wars are politicians' wars and not the people's, they essentially are saying that only men's votes count (although the average man being able to vote is a very young phenomenon compared to drafting men to wars). If feminists (or the wokes) wanted equality, they'd jump on such an easy target of a statement to claim either that it's not the people's wars--draft should be illegal--or that it's women's wars, too--women should be drafted, too.

We should celebrate the women who have volunteered to serve our country and thank the women who played a vital role in defending America at every point in our nation’s history

And forget the men who were forced to fight and died, or went home just to become forever ostracized or even ended up homeless - they only matter in the context of a family (if they had one) they can't support anymore and that's where empathy is directed, not towards the men. They get a "day" in the calendar and that's enough of a restitution for a life permanently ruined.

Harpua81 · 2022-10-12T22:54:20+00:00

I know the subjects are often intertwined and that's unavoidable, but one of my favorite things about this sub is that we rarely get info left v right political debates and which is better for men's rights.

St-Germania · 2022-10-13T05:20:23+00:00

Well kinda stupid since they probably could help in various sectors of the military and free up man power for other projects

However they should instead concentrate on getting other men’s rights as well as stopping victimizing women for something that isn’t happening(for example Pay gap)

Republicans are probably against it since it came from the Democratic Party (in Germany the AfD(rightwing party) is doing the same)

patxiku93 · 2022-10-13T06:54:00+00:00

What a surprise... Tradcucks are not allies, they are the ones that set the system that exploits men.

Ok-Dragonfruit-1924 · 2022-10-13T17:53:02+00:00

Don't draft our daughters but your sons are lambs for the slaughter

ERiC_693 · 2022-10-14T03:13:42+00:00

The draft needs to be removed completely. Not adding women to it. US has enough volunteers anyway.

WeEatBabies · 2022-10-12T20:12:51+00:00

Dems put it forward as a show!

They know the Republicans are just going to block it and even if surprise, they don't then ...

They know no woman in the history of ever is going to be drafted to the front-lines.

And if one ever is, she is gonna be pregnant in no time! Suddenly she will be carrying an embryo that's alive!

(I'm pro-choice btw, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy).

The father however, will be sent to the war, as a reward he will get to pay child support when/if he comes back!

darthmadeus · 2022-10-13T03:25:14+00:00

Why vote against women to be drafted? If you can vote, you can fight. Equal rights, equal fights.

Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2022-10-13T00:53:04+00:00

They want babies born . Literally why Republicans are voting against this.

somethingneet · 2022-10-13T04:08:19+00:00

I can't believe TradCons don't think women should be in the military

Throning · 2022-10-12T23:31:00+00:00

it's a blessing and a curse.

The curse side is obvious; men are required to sign up for the draft, women aren't. It's an insane inequality.

The blessing part; if I get wounded in combat and bleeding out, and my survival depends on some woman that had a fraction of the pullups, pushups, and other physical requirements, then I'm already dead. Chances are less in my favor that she'll be able to pick me up and move me; or even if she can, that she'd be able to get as safely far away as a man.

Same style of argument of why if I'm unconscious in a burning building, and they send the petite lady to rescue anyone, chances are less in my favor that she'll be able to pick me up and get me out. I would much rather prefer it to be someone I could depend on, and in terms of physical strength measuring capability, that is overwhelmingly not a woman.

dungeonmonkey69 · 2022-10-12T23:46:51+00:00

I really do feel sorry for USian men for the draft. It's fkn barbaric. So thankful we have equality of front line service in my country but no draft or conscription

elebrin · 2022-10-13T12:32:05+00:00

Drafted people end up as infantrymen. I'm not sure recruiting the people we need to have making babies to carry a rucksack and get shot at is a good idea.

Also, men can be trained to follow orders. I'm not so sure women can be. The military needs you to hear and execute. If you do anything else between those it'll be too long and you'll have missed your chance.

Commercial_Invite_84 · 2022-10-13T08:16:35+00:00

Guys I hate the draft with a passion and hope for a world without war. Nonetheless I can't support putting women in combat positions against their will as its overall a bad idea and more spite than anything else.

As I told my daughter, men face the risk of dying in combat, which is significantly less today. Women run the risk of dying in childbirth, which is significantly less today. Maybe I'm wrong but why hurt women for generations to come just for the sake of equality? Is that really in men's interest, or societies? Expectjng that women can ever become good soldiers is just wishful thinking. Even proffesiobal soldiers, which have better training and equipment than conscripts, face serious medical issues front deployment, including bone density loss and overall poor health, whereas men return in pretty good physical shape. This is assuming no conflict related injuries.

We should not stoop to feminists level, but rather be the responsible, bigger person.

PimpingShrimp · 2022-10-13T03:37:27+00:00

The first good thing republicans do for women

TheeBattleMedic · 2022-10-13T11:11:03+00:00

It’s ironic that they talk about their bodies but don’t care or consider that men have had to give their lives for thousands and thousands of years. But nope all they think is men are bad, abusers and worse

DesertVeteran_PA-C · 2022-10-13T11:23:08+00:00

Nooooo. Let the Dems draft women. The feminists will love them for it.

Decent-Ordinary-4047 · 2022-10-13T12:00:41+00:00

I am a board member for the draft board. More specifically the SSS.

I do not think women should be included in a draft, if there ever were a draft again. WW2 is a good example to draw from as to why you would not want to have your population decimated by sending both genders en mass.

I'm conflicted because I do believe in the equality aspect justifying why women should be included.

Acceptable-Garbage17 · 2022-10-13T14:14:36+00:00

Send everyone since gender and age no longer exist.

Ok-Dragonfruit-1924 · 2022-10-13T17:55:48+00:00

the ironic thing is more women voted for biden then men you think theyd wanna please there base

Title	Republicans move to strike Dem proposal to include women in the military draft
Author	ABCAJB
Upvotes	342
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Date	October 12, 2022 7:42 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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