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Everyone with a brain knows that we would have a repeat of 1953 with millions of Chinese coming across the border. Unless they want war with China (and probably Russia too), it's never going to happen. It's only sabre-rattling.

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I feel like you should probably follow through with your assertion.

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This shows the worst side of feminism. In high school I often butted heads with a feminist in my class(we're both females). I always wanted to join the military and often wore Air Force and Navy hats and t-shirts. We actually had a recruiting person at the school after we had a college fest day and after speaking to him I found I actually probably wouldn't be allowed to join when I was 18(I have autism and asthma). I was pretty upset by it. I was talking about it at lunch and she was at my table. Only a few days later she was saying how it isn't equality for women to register for the draft. And I said how if the draft was gonna happen, women absolutely should have to register if they want equality. Her response "That's easy for you to say. You're disabled so you'd never be affected" even though she knew how upset I was that I couldn't join. What a bitch move.

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Droughts and famines in Russia and the Soviet Union

Throughout Russian history famines and droughts have been a common feature, often resulting in humanitarian crises traceable to political or economic instability, poor policy, environmental issues and war. Droughts and famines in Russia and the Soviet Union tended to occur fairly regularly, with famine occurring every 10–13 years and droughts every five to seven years. Golubev and Dronin distinguish three types of drought according to productive areas vulnerable to droughts: Central (the Volga basin, North Caucasus and the Central Chernozem Region), Southern (Volga and Volga-Vyatka area, the Ural region, and Ukraine), and Eastern (steppe and forest-steppe belts in Western and Eastern Siberia, and Kazakhstan).

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Pizdu, tovarishch! Idiota kapitalismi!

Perhaps you should consider the other side, read up on Mr. Stalin, before you denounce capitalism as an evil virus spawn of satan? Perhaps on the story of Vladimir Komarov, or any of the other atrocities committed under communism.

The problem isn't found at the bottom of a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy, nor is it that anyone else has ruined the day before your beloved commies had a chance to somehow make everything better by having the government rule everything. The problem is communism. Even if it worked on paper, which it really doesn't, it does not work in real life. People don't work that way.

If everywhere stinks, check the sole of your boot, comrade.

Sweden is socialist. Sure, we still have capitalism, but the socialism is the flavour of it. Especially with our current social democrat government. Hopefully, the only reasonable party, SD, will win in 2018. Anyway, we're a socialist country, and no capitalists have done anything to sabotage us. Only the anarchists that we call "refugees", even if they're not even from a war-torn country, or in any danger of their lives, or even have any sort of identification.

China is communist. They're also a very important trade partner for most capitalists. You know, "Made in China".

North Korea's leadership is a cult that's got power over an entire country. Those are commies. Look at their neighbours, the South Koreans. They're innovative, a huge trade partner, quite rich, and live great lives. Meanwhile, in North Korea, they can't have more than 16 haircuts, and they have almost no food, and they are raised to believe that the Kim Jong dynasty are literally gods, that they've landed on the sun, that Kim Jong-Il invented the hamburger in 2005 (Juche 94)... Don't forget the labour camps! It's the worst excuse for a civilisation you could possibly live in that exists today.

Why are you defending the communism your grandparents fought against? They won, and they fought for a very good reason.

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Im not a communist - but it doesn't mean I have to repeat western propaganda.

I just know capitalism can be equally or more brutal (the US keeps a larger % of the population prison than at any time when there were gulags, and intentionally starved people in communist countries with economic warfare) for two examples.

There is the chilian libertarian dictatorship too, which was a disaster for the people and environment - and I don't know how many fascist and hardline muslim dictatorships have been put in place around the world to serve US capitalism.

Then there is killing people in africa and the mid east every day of the week in wars and proxy wars.

The US ran a massive murder campaign against north korean civilians - dropping more bombs on a country the size of florida than the US did during WW2 70 years ago. And like with all communist states they weren't allowed trade like other states. So its no wonder its dysfunctional.

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The killings are for a purpose. There is no way of getting what you want right away. You have to make strategic compromises at every step. Fighting communism will make sure that their prisoners and people (same thing in communism) starve, sure, but that wasn't the reason they fought communism. It was to remove communism.

The purpose was never to kill civilians. As I said, compromises are the only way forward, and civilians will get under the line of fire sometimes. That's not the fault of capitalism.

And don't even try comparing western prisons to gulags. For one, you'd have to compare percentages, not absolute counts, but it would still be useless.

In modern western prisons you get a bed, a toilet, food, socialisation, sometimes video games and other media, and a staff that cleans for you.

In gulags, you have barely any room, they deliberately give you as little and shitty food as possible, no matter how much they have, they torture you, they might mutilate you, nobody cleans anything, and you're not in there for fair reasons, nor do you have any chance of actually getting out.

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The purpose of bombing civilian targets and cutting off food supplies is intentionally killing civilians.

And american capitalism sent a whole generation of men to war for no good reason.

And don't even try comparing western prisons to gulags. For one, you'd have to compare percentages, not absolute counts, but it would still be useless.

Yes I am comparing %.

The US keeps a larger % of its population in prison doing labour.

The US is been bombing directly or supplying weapons for proxy wars for every war on the planet.

If you cannot blame capitalism for killing done by capitalist regimes, you cannot blame communism for killing done in communist regimes.

Anyhow, most of the deaths in communist regimes were due to western capitalist interests - cutting off food supplies, bombing and so on.

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Ever heard of a little chap called Stalin? He killed more people than Hitler, but somehow, the ideology that drove him to do this is still acceptable to associate with, apparently, while it's not okay to be a nazi. Do you really think that it was just Stalin as a person who caused the genocides? Or was it the time and place he was born into? When you can, you will.

You're arguing for communism and against capitalism by bringing up elitism? Are you out of your mind? You livin' in 3017, as the normie memes say. Capitalism is a hierarchy. It's not this unfounded, unsourced number of 60 people on top, and then everyone else at the bottom. It's a staircase, and to climb it, you have to work hard and be skillfull. It's a competition. Your actions matter. If you suck, you get to be worse off. If you're great, you get to be well off. The only thing that's gotten in the way of our western meritocracy is the putrid spores of marxism that's resulted in SJWs, feminists, and the likes.

So what exactly is that? Socialism, Marxism, communism. They're all the same ideology. They're just a progressive description of how integrated the country is into it.

Communism means that the worker has no power. I can't believe you haven't figured this out. You'd think the enthusiast would know best about its enthusiasm's target, but evidently not this time.

The state has all of the rights. The state owns everything. There is no supply and demand. The worker owns nothing, and is obligated to work just to, most often, not be sent to the gulags. No matter how much the worker works, or how well, he will never progress. He will never even get a promotion. He is a tool of the state. A hammer or a sickle. All the money is situated in the government of a few people. The few remaining scraps are doled out to the peasants. It's the ultimate classicism, and you're calling it the opposite. It doesn't matter what it defines itself as, or what it says on paper. It is not like that. The human factor is obligatory.

Look at Russia today. Not officially communist like before the Soviet Union collapsed, but still quite practically communist. A living wage there is $300 per MONTH. That's in fact quite a good wage there. Almost all of the rich people have moved away. The internet is censoured and the legacy media is just propaganda in favour of communism and Putin. Even people who work with international clients, like YouTubers, get paid a fraction of what they would have for the same views in any non-communist nation. NFKRZ, for example, complains about this all the time.

The poor people, which are most people, are stuck there, and the rest have moved, or are about to. This is in a country where the communism has had 26 years to cool off, and stop being such a hot, glowing red.

Now that is something worth fighting for. I won't defend any action by any capitalist government to prove capitalism is good. That's insane. There are always idiots, and nothing is perfect. Capitalism is orders of magnitude above communism, though. Even if you could expect me to defend everything ever done by a capitalist government to prove that we're allowed to exist, you need a source, and a precise reference. Now, I'm not asking for one, because as I wrote just a second ago, that's irrelevant.

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Oh, so a famine JUST SO HAPPENED to strike just when communism happened? Mmhmm? Again, sources to even begin to be considered relevant. And nothing biased. Historical sources, at worst second hand.

Stalin did murder, in the same way Hitler did, millions of people. This is a fact as much as the sky is blue. Of course, you'd think it red.

Why do you defend communism to the point of straight denial, going against Ockham's razor, Newton's flaming laser sword, and actually addressing all that's been said, if you're not a communist?

Despite all that, let capitalism speak for itself. Do you really know what unsustainable means? It means that it won't keep working; within a relevant timeframe, in practical purposes.

And yet, capitalism has worked very well for centuries. It hasn't collapsed. It hasn't been the cause of any genocides.

You still haven't provided any evidence. Making endless junk? No no no. You sound indoctrinated. Capitalism is about incentive. Those capable are incentivised to create quality goods for the people to earn their money, so they can also make a living and create better products. It's a cycle of improvement. You wouldn't have seen the computational revolution under communism. It is based on merit. I think that frightens you, because you haven't done much for yourself, but that's a bit too personal and irrelevant to dive into.

As I said, in communism, the government of a few people own nearly all of the wealth, and everyone else lives in crippling poverty. You're trying to argue against me about lying that capitalism works like that, but not even as extremely. What? Do you proofread? Do you think before you write? Or after? Do you ever delete anything while writing because it's not good enough?

In a capitalist society, the wealth is distributed according to merit, not according to who claims to be boss. It's a staircase, as I said. The better you are, the better you do.

In communism, you do very poorly, as I said about Russia, and it doesn't matter how good you are. Unless you're a government official, which is usually the same people over and over until they die, or their children take over and do the same thing, you are a peasant to the rest of the world. That is unsustainable, truly.

I see you as an American 16-22 year old who lives in an upper-middleclass household, still with his/her parents, even at 22, who is extremely spoiled and yet does nothing but sit on Reddit all day, defending the ideology that cost millions their lives, and hating on the system that brought you your parents' wealth. But you probably hate them, too, because they're not hippies like you. If they were, you wouldn't be so well-off.

Regardless of who you are, your understanding of politics and economics is completely misguided and wrong.

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Droughts and famines in Russia and the Soviet Union

Throughout Russian history famines and droughts have been a common feature, often resulting in humanitarian crises traceable to political or economic instability, poor policy, environmental issues and war. Droughts and famines in Russia and the Soviet Union tended to occur fairly regularly, with famine occurring every 10–13 years and droughts every five to seven years. Golubev and Dronin distinguish three types of drought according to productive areas vulnerable to droughts: Central (the Volga basin, North Caucasus and the Central Chernozem Region), Southern (Volga and Volga-Vyatka area, the Ural region, and Ukraine), and Eastern (steppe and forest-steppe belts in Western and Eastern Siberia, and Kazakhstan).

Title	So Much For Equality
Author	Hoi-PartyCake7
Upvotes	604
Comments	154
Date	August 12, 2017 3:53 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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