You want privilege? You got it!

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Women have more options and therefore have a better chance of finding clothing that actually fits.

\laughs/ Oh, man, that's a good one! I'm not sure how much shopping you've done for women's clothing, but as someone who has actually done the chore for over 20 years, I can testify to how incorrect you are.

Our "options" usually consist of choices that are a) more expensive then men's comparable clothing items, b) cheaper quality (not as durable or as well-constructed), c) more complex care instructions (dry clean only, girls!) and d) not available in our size.

The size issue alone is really complex. Men's sizes are usually given in inches, i.e.) 40" waist with a 36" inseam. Women's clothing sizes are assigned numbers, 0-14, with plus sizes extending beyond that range.

Exactly what those numbers mean varies from store to store. You can wear a size 0 pair of jeans at the Gap, and a size 6 at Ambercrombie and Finch. Aside from issues of self-esteem and self-worth this size fluctuation can inspire, most clothing retails do not carry clothes that fit the average woman, let alone offer enough diversity in sizing to make any choice easy or simple. Most stores (aside from plus-size retailers like Lane Bryant) carry sizes 00-12. The average American woman wears a size 14..

You're free to draw your own conclusions, but when it comes to shopping for clothing, nothing is easy or straightforward for women. It's a disheartening, frustrating, expensive and inexplicable process. And it's largely a gendered one.

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I can see the situation with the numbers and sizes changing from store to store, but I actually have the same problem even though they actually use an measurements by inches. I have only found one store with jeans in my size and they cost around 150 so I'm not buying them as that is way out of my price range, though they are a superior fabric to normal jeans. On the issue of quality, Express a popular store has $50 dress shirts that loose color after 3 or 4 washes.

I might have made it seem that it is harder for men to buy cloth in my original post, but I know that is not true. It's that some people, no matter men or women, have a really hard time buying cloths because the market tailors itself to a generic idea of what both men and women look like.

Also why cant we just go back to the good old days of tunicas and togas. I would be fine with it, I just seems society isn't. We have made clothing become something that is very complicated for both men and women, when it doesn't need to be that way.

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I'm reading your retort which explains how a coworker or more treated you at some of your places of employment and have it say it does matter how you take such behaviors.

I'm probably stating the obvious but it boils down to who I do and do not want interacting with me in certain ways and since you inferred it was harassment, I wanted to give you and others my own outlook on the same behavior.

Having been in extremely similar situations as well I can say it comes down to both how well you know your coworkers and what's considered acceptable behavior between you. For me, it broke down into a couple categories:

Do I accept this as a friendly way to interact with people I want near me?
Being highly selective of who actually touches me anywhere, will they respect me if I say to stop for now or forever?

Anything that constitutes un-respecting behavior after said denial can be considered bothersome and then harassment which is taking into account the time I've known them and how I regard them personally - if at all.

Preaching to the choir most likely.

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The difference is that I don't throw a fucking temper tantrum whenever I am involved in social dynamics and bonding experiences.

So in your opinion, when a woman reports being sexually harassed she's just...having a temper tantrum? Why? Oh, right, because women are just overly-emotional little children. Gotcha.

That one I don't even have any idea how to comment on. Just... what?

I know these kinds of ideas are new to you, and somewhat confusing, but think about it: our clothing is our way of indicating social status, occupation, health and vitality, and what our resources are.

If you have to: a) spend more time procuring the appropriate clothing, b) spend more money on the appropriate clothing and c) spend more time replacing the appropriate clothing (because it's more fragile, more cheaply-made, and consists of more synthetic fabrics), you're at a disadvantage. It's really not that hard to grasp this concept.

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So in your opinion, when a woman reports being sexually harassed she's just...having a temper tantrum? Why? Oh, right, because women are just overly-emotional little children. Gotcha.

See this is why nobody can take arguments like this seriously, you're just trying to put words in my mouth. What I am claiming is that a lot of ~~woman~~ [edit:women] who report being sexually harassed, haven't actually been sexually harassed. I know these kinds of ideas are new to you, but just because you are uncomfortable doesn't mean the entire world has to bend to your will.

If you have to: a) spend more time procuring the appropriate clothing, b) spend more money on the appropriate clothing and c) spend more time replacing the appropriate clothing

Nobody makes you buy clothes. Nobody makes you buy flimsy, cheaply-built clothes. If you really want to know what it's like to have trouble finding clothes, refer to my other post in this thread where myself and another tall man discuss our need for every pair of pants we own to be custom tailored.

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If you're trying to point out a fallacy, you're not doing a very good job at it.

Here's an article that discusses the prevalence of false accusations of sexual harassment in education, and how there is a massive failure of the legal system to (a) protect against them, (b) clear the name of the falsely accused and (c) penalize those who make false accusations. What percentage of false accusations of sexual harassment come from women accusing men? I'll go ahead and let you guess, or research it.

Here's an article that discusses how 3/4 of sexual assault claims are unsupported "he said she said" (see: frivolous) cases.

Here's a book by a prominent feminist literature professor who was accused of sexual harassment. In it she discusses the split between "power feminists" and "victim feminists," and how the schism resulted in a "perversion" of the definition of sexual harassment that is now in the most prominent usage. I would personally recommend it, but that's only because I enjoy reading feminist literature. It might not be your thing.

Here's an article that talks about all the delightful ways that a person can falsely claim sexual harassment... and get away with it too!

And finally, there's fucking Google.

It seems as though you are denying that false sexual harassment cases exist, or at least belittling the seriousness thereof, but you evidently have a lot of reading to do.

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I'm not denying that false cases exist. Of course they do. But the vast majority of people (men and women) who experience sexual harrassment on the job do not report it at all. According to a recent AOL Jobs survey, "Only 35 percent of people harassed reported it; women (47 percent) are more likely to do so than men (21 percent)." So I'd say that the problem with sexual harassment is that it is under-reported, not that false claims from lying women threaten poor innocent menz.

What percentage of false accusations of sexual harassment come from women accusing men? I'll go ahead and let you guess, or research it.

Why don't you go ahead and supply me with that number. I'll wait for you to pull that stat from your ass.

Your second link is not a statistic. It's an opinion (given in a blog article, no less) from a Toronto-based criminal defense attorney. In other words, an unsubstantiated, non-peer-reviewed guesstimation from a lawyer who doesn't even specialize in workplace harassment cases. Well done.

I'm thrilled to learn that you can, in fact, read, but given the scope of your original claim ("a lot of woman [edit:women] who report being sexually harassed, haven't actually been sexually harassed") I'd expect you to come up with better proof than a personal anecdote about the experience. Or, no, that's exactly what I'd expect you to come up with, because your claim is complete bullshit.

Your fifth link is not a how-to guide on making false sexual harassment claims. It's from the Journal of Psychology and Offender Profiling, and looks at some of the personality and mood disorders that could cause a person (man or woman) to make a false accusation.

So, in return, here's that link to Google. Why don't you go back and input your search terms again. This time, try to dig up some actual evidence that supports your claim that all women are lying liars who lie when it comes to sexual harassment. This time, make sure it passes the laugh test, 'kay?

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As a woman I am less likely to be homeless.
As a woman I am 5 times less likely to commit suicide.
I cannot rape someone legally, even if I physically force a man into intercourse, or otherwise coerce him, my rape will not be seen by the courts as rape.
As a woman, I can expect a much shorter sentence for the same crime as a man.
As a woman, I can expect to receive custody of the child, in most custody disputes.
If I choose to get an abortion, nobody can tell me no. If my SO wants to keep the child, I can just tell him to fuck off.
If my SO does NOT want the child, he has to pay me child support anyway.
If I am being bothered or otherwise harassed, I can slap the person bothering me, with literally no repercussions for assaulting someone.
If a man ever tries to question me on anything I believe, I can tell him to stop "mansplaining".
I can rape a man for days on end, and society will just call me "sex-crazed", not a rapist. They will also think that me raping him was hilarious.
I am much less likely to be the victim of a violent crime or homicide.
My issues as a woman will be championed by politicians and the media, to the exclusion of men's issues.
If I ever fall on hard times, there are social safety nets in place to help me, specifically, as a woman.
I am far less likely to ever see the inside of a prison cell, on average.
If I want sex, getting it is easy.
I can date men for their money.
I can get scholarships much easier than a man.
I am more likely to go to college and get a degree.
If I make an inappropriate joke, people are far less likely to get offended.
As a woman, I will live longer than most men.
If I decide not to get a job, and marry and divorce a man, I can expect an alimony check from him monthly.
I am viewed as less likely to abuse a child, even though this is not true.
People will show me preferential treatment, because I am a woman.
If I sexually abuse a child, I will get a much, much shorter sentence than a man doing the same exact thing. In fact, I may not get a sentence at all!
As a woman I can expect to be pursued and wooed, men will pay for my meals on dates.
If I physically abuse my significant other, and he calls the police, he will be the one arrested, not me.
I have much, much safer work conditions.
I do not have to worry about selective military service, or the draft.
I can write stupid lists that are not based in fact, and show them to classrooms filled with children.

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I, like a Jew gone weary of being called a chosen one, am completely ready for anyone else, and in particular, you, to be chosen.

This is the best quote in the whole article. I don't think you are claiming that men don't have any advantages, I think you are merely claiming that all "advantages" come with a very high price tag. This is the main issue I have with the repeated statement "male privilege." It's key to completely detach the individual from the statistics, but then use those statistics to attack individuals. Men are some monolithic group which acts in its own interests (even though this is demonstrably false), but women are allowed to differentiate between women and individual women whenever it seems to be advantageous (even though women act much more like a monolithic group than men). So even though you have zero power, zero money, zero privilege, and are controlled at the whim of everyone else, you're still privileged.

I wonder if people were screaming Jewish privilege as they were being shoved into gas chambers. If whatever I have is "male privilege," I'd be glad to trade it away too and many men are slowly realizing this.

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I don't like how people take the most extreme form of privilege and then use it to dismiss the whole concept.

Being male gives you some advantages. It's seriously ridiculous to disagree with this. Likewise, being female gives you some advantages, and disagreeing is ridiculous. I like to call those advantages male privilege and female privilege respectively.

Yes, there are plenty of feminists who are just ridiculous about it; every man has individual power over every woman and all that. There are plenty of areas men lose out, and plenty of areas where both genders are equal, but that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of areas where men come ahead.

The dichotomy of privilege, I think, is one of the main problems; people who define privilege in such a way that one group possesses it and all other groups therefore don't. Saying "men are privileged and women are oppressed" makes me grind my teeth and spawns articles like the submission, but when people say "men and women are both privileged in different areas" I feel most rational people can agree with that (though they'll disagree about how great each is).

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OK, so now men have advantages, but only single ones? meh.

And earning the money is an issue of privilege, but spending it isn't? You need to seriously work on that argument. Look in your average home and tell me who chose everything about it.

If a man is single, he still has the social obligations of a man. He earns more for two primary reasons. One, he works harder and longer at more dangerous and demanding jobs than the average woman, and two, he earns more because in the systemic sense, he has to in order to compete for the attention of women who see his money as enriching their lives.

His being single, especially if he makes really good money, makes him more attractive to women who understand his utility and are willing to exploit it. Failing to address this is a failure on a complete scale.

The exception to this is for Gay men, who more openly share finances in many cases. But the exemption is due to sexuality, not sex.

Unless a man is totally controlled by his wife, letting her choose where to spend the money isn't an issue of privilege.

That is obtuse. If a man is in the role of protector and provider (servant), it is that, not the wife, that controls him. It makes him a utility. And that is the fundamental problem with your entire argument, and why I wrote the article.

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Why are men more likely to make the actions and choices that result in them getting higher pay?

Because they have to? Because they are judged on how well they do financially? Because they will be penalized socially, personally, romantically and sexually for not doing well? Because women don't have to work as hard when they have other, easier, alternatives available to them(like being a stay at home mom/partner, being a part time worker and having all their other expenses paid for, etc)? Because women are taught that they are above it all and shouldn't have to suffer the way men are taught they should have to endure and suffer? Because men are bred to be competitive and unapologetic practically from birth, just to that they can be "real men" and be able to both compete for women, defend women and be able to provide for women(All of which most women seem perfectly happy in encouraging)? Women choose to work less and to work easier jobs because they have that option and because they have countless privileges supporting them in which ever path they so choose. The only discrimination here is the one taking place at a social level against men, not on a professional level against women.

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Oh yea, being male gives you advantages?

In what?

Lifespan? (It is a well known fact that women's life spans are significantly longer)

Not being homeless? (60% of homeless are men)

Being happy enough with life not to kill yourself? (75% of suicide are men on average, in some demographics men are 6 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO KILL THEMSELVES)

Maybe judges take it easier on you if you're a man in criminal court? (Men get longer sentences for the same crimes, and more serious and more numerous charges for the same actions)

Maybe being a man means that you have a better chance of getting custody of your children?

Maybe being a man means you're less likely to be the victim of a violent crime? (men are much more likely to be victims of violence)

Maybe, being a man means that your workplace is more likely to be a safe environment? (93% of workplace death and injury is men)

Or maybe being a man means that the government might ensure there are social safety nets to help you in times of need? (most of this sort of spending is female specific, there are "Councils on the Status of Women" and "Women's Health Initiatives" in almost every state, almost NOTHING for men)

Maybe in terms of reproductive rights men are better off? (Nope, men have absolutely ZERO reproductive rights, even young male victims of rape have been forced to pay child support to their rapist)

Female privilege and advantage outweighs that of men by so many orders of magnitude that "male privilege" is non-existent, and the use of the term "male privilege" is nothing more than lies to demonize men, and advance the feminist cause of granting women more and more codified legal rights over men (VAWA, Duluth Model, primary aggressor policies, dear colleague letter, the list goes on).

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First, I'm aware of the issues. Here's a post I wrote.

Did you just ignore my entire post?

All of the things you listed are examples of female privileges. But the existence of female privileges doesn't mean that male privileges don't exist. Your argument seems to be "men are discriminated against/behind women in these areas, therefore women can't be discriminated against/behind men in any other areas". If that's not what you're saying, I have no idea.

I'm no good at thinking of women's issues off the top of my head, as I rarely discuss them, but a few examples; far more likely to be trafficked as a sex worker, statistically likely to get lower pay, requiring a higher standard of appearance in the workplace, less likely to get into politics (and hence fewer women in elected positions), more likely to be in poverty... I could go into assertions about actual societal discrimination but I know you'll say they don't happen (as if that won't happen for the issues I listed) so I won't bother.

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The gender "wage gap" does not exist, the U.S. Department of Labor has debunked the gender "wage gap" already.

From the foreword:

Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.

-The U.S. Department of Labor

And I think there was an article posted to /r/MensRights not too long ago shining light on the fact that about 50% of trafficked people are men.

Not going into politics is a personal decision, although I agree, more women in politics would be welcome.

However, when you look at the prevalence and severity of the issues, men (in a modern Western context) have it far worse. Female privilege, in a western context, is overwhelming.

edit: it's 20% not 50%, clearly, human trafficking is a very pertinent women's issue.

edit 2: It was actually 40% not 20%. Clearly, trafficking is an important issue affecting all humans, regardless of gender!

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The gender "gap" does not exist, the [1] U.S. Department of Labor has debunked the gender "wage gap" already.

They debunked the idea that it was caused by sexism, not that the median wages were different. There are various choices you can make that will reduce your pay, and if you're a woman then for whatever reason you're more likely to make those choices.

And I think there was an article posted to [2] /r/MensRights not too long ago shining light on the fact that about 50% of trafficked people are men.

20%, and that was in the UK.

Not going into politics is a personal decision, although I agree, more women in politics would be welcome.

Right, and for whatever reason, they're less likely to make those decisions.

However, when you look at the prevalence and severity of the issues, men (in a modern Western context) have it far worse.

I agree that men's issues are greater than women's. I just think that ruling out any advantages is dishonest.

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While I admire your passion, I still value logic and reason over emotion. Why? Because emotion is fundamentally unreasonable. It knows no logic. It is blind. It is immature. It is selfish. Emotion doesn't even need a reason to exist. Emotion is the cause of the great disasters and crimes throughout history. It's the devil on our shoulder telling us to act out of impulse rather than thought.

Experiencing anger when bad things happen to people is entirely understandable. That is human nature. But when when I'm faced with such a reality, I think it's healthy to take a step back and evaluate. Plan. Consider the best course of action. Acting on impulse, for me anyway, usually results in poor choices.

Remember, I don't mean to shun emotion. I think it has its place. But I definitely think it should take a back seat to higher thinking. Otherwise we become little more than our base instincts. Driven purely by whim, and obeying only our fleeting impulses. That's not an existence I strive for, and it's not one I admire or approve of in others.

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check the comments from my audience, who, last I checked, were the people I was writing for.

First of all, we are your audience or you wouldn't be posting this here.

Secondly, we agree with you so it's not our opinions that need to be changed. Yes, I thoroughly enjoyed the article and I personally didn't mind the swearing, but someone else who isn't a MRA will likely be turned off because of it. The reason is profanity hurts credibility. When you use it you go from someone who is presenting a logical argument to someone who is using rhetorical techniques simply to stir up passions. Credible news sources never print profanity and there's a reason why.

In all fairness though, you stated who you were writing for, but not why. If you're just writing for MRAs in hopes of generating steady traffic to your site then leave it. If you're writing in hopes that your articles will help spread the word of injustice towards us men (hoping to bring about change), however, then the profanity needs to go.

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The point I made was to refrain from profanity, not anger.

What he has done in the past 6 years has done more for Men's Rights than 30 years of placating and aping feminists ever accomplished.

That's blatantly not true. Feminists have more or less turned men into second class citizens that are still labeled as privileged (hence the article). Edit: Please note I'm not saying this to diminish the work of Paul or other MRAs

The controversies bring audience...

My question is: what brings about change? After all that's what we want.

In any case, I have a pretty good idea about what he's going to tell you to do with your condescending advice.

I don't doubt that. I've read the other comments he's posted on here and he doesn't seem to take criticism well. However, if he can tell me where I'm wrong in a logical manner I will listen. After all I am new to Men's Rights and am willing to listen to reason, if given.

And I strongly advise you to follow through.

Classy. And the type of response I'd expect from someone who never even addressed my argument in the first place.

[–]theozoph 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's blatantly not true. Feminists have more or less turned men into second class citizens that are still labeled as privileged (hence the article).

I don't see what this has to do with my point. The MRM was an little-known, fringe movement only a few years ago, and feminists had a complete lock on the gender discourse. Today our movement is growing in leaps and bounds, and the status quo is finally being questioned. This didn't happen because we were civil and refrained from profanity, but because we gave an outlet to the simmering anger that men were told to repress.

What concern trolls like you (I know you're not making the argument in bad faith, but really that doesn't change what you're doing) don't understand is that your well-meaning advice is really more of the same repression men have been increasingly shackled with: "don't be angry! keep calm! be polite! you're scaring us!" - while we keep losing our rights, our homes, our children, our families and our livelihood. The time to keep civil, to be nice, and to speak softly has passed. We're going to get our rights, or else.

And to address your question: yes, this is what brings about change. Build a movement, rally your followers, and make a ruckus until you can no longer be ignored.

And if a few morons get offended, or insulted along the way, I think I speak for most of us when I say: boo-hoo-hoo.

[–]avoiceformen[S] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let me put it this way. I am preaching to the choir and that is the strategy to spread the word.

You have to understand how this stuff works. The entire culture we live in is misandric. There is no polite way into public discourse about men's issues. The sooner you disabuse yourself of that idea the better.

The only way to provoke discussion is to provoke people. Profanity is one way of doing that. Your idea that I can't spread the word and use profanity is quite literally nonsense. Can I spread the word to people that are hyper sensitive to profanity? No doubt it is much harder. But it is grandiose to assume that all people share your sensibilities.

Whether you like it or not, my way is working. AVfM is attracting more and more activists. We are growing like crazy right now, as a matter of fact. The dialogue in the world is changing in part because of what we do and how we do it.

I think I will take what is happening right in front of my eyes over your contention that people will ignore me if I curse.

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It is my job to provoke thought and discussion, and to push the material toward as many people as possible while delivering the message that my audience takes solace in. I have succeeded at that numerous times.

AVfM is much more of a community than this place. This is a headline aggregate site. It is not activist in nature, and attracts a lot of feminist participation. I don't fault anyone for that. It is just the nature of things. But it puts this subreddit in a greatly different light than an MRA operation.

So far, AVfM is the most successful pure MRA site (at least one that actually produces content as opposed to piggy backing on the content of others) that has ever existed. Part of the reason for that is the bare knuckles approach. Personally, I think success is the goal more than being classy or appealing to mainstream sensibilities.

I would actually like things to be different. I would love to write in a different style, but that would require a world that will offer more to men and boys than Peter Pan admonishments to speak politely about their oppression.

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You are offering an opinion with no evidence of fact. I would agree, if I just used profanity to make a point, it would be useless. The same way that if a comedian like Chris Rock just walked on stage and said shit, piss and fuck 300 times, he would not have a career.

I note someone above said he could do without fembot and caterwaul, two non profane words. He said nothing is perfect. I respectfully disagree with him. The fact is you just can't please everyone.

I get help with my writing from people who critique the delivery. If my use of profanity was gratuitous, I would have been more likely to agree. But it wasn't. I had intent and reason to use each word. Obviously it did not work for you, but I assure you the article will get much traffic and support from those actually invested in it.

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Title	You want privilege? You got it!
Author	avoiceformen
Upvotes	97
Comments	128
Date	May 2, 2012 10:09 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/t4107/you_want_privilege_you_got_it/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/you-want-privilege-you-got-it.1022648 https://theredarchive.com/post/1022648

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