Discussion: Branch-swinging.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-11-23T19:15:06+00:00

if high-value men see branch-swinging as a huge red flag?

false premise, high value men freely steal women from low value men with no compunction, hypergamy is a low to middling value male concern

TheBookOfSeil · 2017-11-23T23:12:40+00:00

1) The “tension” between thrill and stability is that people want both, which is why people “cheat.”

2) Personally, any kind of loyalty is a rare thing. Everyone is searching for what makes them happy, and if it’s not you, then there’s no reason to be “loyal” to you.

3) Branch swinging is exactly as it sounds: swinging from one branch (or person) to the next so that they may get to where they want to be. If one “tree” has some tasty fruit, they’ll swing to it. Oh? The tree that they just left now has some interesting fruit? Swing back.

4) Strategy. They might lie about the branch swinging they’ve been doing, or they might draw his interest so that the branch swinging is overlooked.

washington_breadstix · 2017-11-23T19:05:09+00:00

1: What do you think about the tension between "thrill and stability?"

It's a serious concern for relationships because of how men and women are biologically programmed. Men are programmed to get thrill from women and stability from themselves, whereas women are programmed to want both of those things from men. It's very hard to keep getting them both from the same man after the honeymoon stage of a relationship, since at that point the stability starts suffocating the thrills.

2: What do you think about female loyalty?

I think that many redditors exaggerate the disloyal nature of women, but it is important to remain on your toes and to realize that the threat of another man swooping in never really disappears.

On the other hand, if branch swinging really does happen, then is it that much better than cheating? I mean sure, a woman who branch swings may be able to say that she "technically" never cheated, but she still approached her own relationship Machiavellian-style and was always keeping other options on her radar.

3: What EXACTLY does "branch-swinging" mean? Does it entail emotional/physical cheating?

What's vague about the definition you quoted in your post? It seems pretty clear to me. I look at it like this: Women are far more willing than men to jump ship on a relationship because they are aware of the abundance of options they always have. The majority of ("blue pilled") men will cling to one woman for dear life because they are convinced that she's their only option.

4: How can women branch-swing in order to "move up" to get a higher-value man if high-value men see branch-swinging as a huge red flag?

"High-value" is somewhat in the eye of the beholder. But there are a few reasons why this could happen:

Maybe the high-value man that she swings up to doesn't know everything about her past right away and doesn't realize that she's a serial monogamist.

Or, he could be a naturally "red pilled" sort of guy who never intends to have a lasting relationship with her in the first place. She branch-swings up to him and he understands that, sooner or later, she'll swing up (or what she perceives as "up") to some other dude. He's just taking his turn with her for sex and companionship.

^{EDIT: Grammar}

Il128 · 2017-11-23T23:05:14+00:00

Female loyalty?

It's over when her phone no longer has notifications and is on silent/no vibrate 24/7 when she's around you or face down 24/7.

Another good tell is when her phone is in this mode she checks it on the regular, or when you're out she has to "go to the bathroom" every hour or half hour. Yeah, it's over.

blackedoutfast · 2017-11-24T05:00:03+00:00

relationships rarely have a very definitive start or end point that everyone agrees on. you might have a conversation where you agree to make it official, but the relationship has been slowly building for a long time before that. and the same thing happens when people break up.
high SMV (ie hot) women are almost never really single. they usually have a period of time between relationships where "officially" they are single, but in reality the relationships actually overlapped. she's dating a guy, she meets a newer better guy, she loses attraction to the first guy, she starts hanging out and fucking the second guy, she breaks up with the first guy, then eventually she and the second guy are dating. there's some variation in the order of those events, but branch swinging is a very common way for things to work out.
it's much easier to get with a girl in a relationship than a single girl. the relationship girl has seen her boyfriend/husband at his worst and least attractive moments. when you're going after a single girl, you have to be better than all of the other dudes competing for her. when you go after a "taken" girl, you just need to be more attractive than one guy: her boyfriend/husband.
when a girl a cheats, it's rarely because the 2nd guy is simply objectively higher value than the first. the stuff about "thrill vs stability" is very important. often the first guy will actually have higher RMV, good job, stable personality, checks all the boxes in her mental list of wha she is looking for in a long term partnet, etc and then she crosses paths with some guy who is a total fuckup in most areas but he turns her on in a way that the first guy doesn't. she may consciously know that the first guy is "better" but her subconscious desire for the second guy pulls her toward him. you can actually see this happen in real time sometimes in a club or some place like that and the girl will oscillate back and forth between two guys: she will be drawn toward the sexy guy and then suddenly consciously remember that she is in a relationship and she'll go back to her boyfriend for a bit, before her instincts draw her back to the sexy guy again, and then just keep repeating that back and forth.
there's a common phrase "once a cheater always a cheater" but high value men with enough experience don't waste their time trying to find a perfect unicorn of a woman who would never cheat on them, they just assume that all women are potential cheaters and protect themselves by limiting the damage she can do.
i've fucked enough married women to know that marriage is a loser's game.
women seem to be worst about cheating when they're engaged to be married. a LOT of women fuck other dudes in the period of time between the proposal and the wedding

i_have_a_semicolon · 2017-11-23T19:12:48+00:00

Ya leaving a man for another man is a red flag. What I don't understand is when you know If someone is loyal. We had a discussion last night that ExxPs will tend to "feel loyal" but no be loyal , and specifically we talked about how ENFPs move from one thing to the next too easily and are fickle etc. It was argued that a "J" personality is more loyal, and the loyalty is derived from duty , not emotion, which makes is stronger and more withstanding of emotional changes.

In any case I think any woman who can instill herself with sufficient "duty" to her mate will remain with him despite all odds. The question would be is would this last for decades?

wtknight · 2017-11-23T19:22:23+00:00

Men who are concerned about women who might get a thrill cheating with another man should probably try to find women who are not thrill seekers.

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Entropy-7 · 2017-11-24T07:23:08+00:00

1-Thrill and stability seem to be somewhat age contextual, and it's not just limited to women. Early 20s types like a high thrill count but post-wall women tend to want more stability, albeit with the occassional thrill. Guys don't generally slow down until they are in their 40s although the exception is the midlife crisis where a guy gets too stable too fast and then 15 or 20 years into a relationship they get a tattoo, a motorbike, and perhaps a girlfriend on the side who is half their age. Also notable is that swingers and many BDSM types are couples in their 40s or even older.

2-Depends on the female. Depends on the guy with the female and the true nature of their relationship. Half of all women have a back-up plan, about 41% of American women and 64% of European women admit to having cheated at one point or another. So writ large, you are basically looking at a coin toss unless you are a particularly good judge of character.

Out of half a dozen LTRs (18 months+) there were two confirmed cheating and one other was suspicious, and three seemed to be set up for a branch swing. Out of a dozen or so other relationships there was one one where I was pretty sure she was cheating. Out of various shorter trysts there was only one where I was "the other guy". So unless I am just oblivious, the cheating rate IME has been fairly low, but then again, I think the liklihood of cheating in the first year is probably rather low.

3-You basically answered your own question, OP. The two different flavours involve either having "Plan B" in case they have to let go of their current, or active hypergamy in terms of latching on to another, better guy before dumping their current.

4-Guys won't necessarily know if a girl already has a boyfriend but I tend to agree that a more alpha guy who is higher up in terms of SMV/RMV won't go in for an LTR with a girl who is "taken" or seems to have some history of trading up or simply getting bored/pissed off and moving on. There are some guys who want to "rescue" a woman from their existing relationship and then "run away together" or some such nonsense.

Title	Discussion: Branch-swinging.
Author	HopefulAboutADHD
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Date	November 23, 2017 6:41 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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