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“Men are natural cheaters.” 😐

HumanNumber348

January 1, 2022
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Title “Men are natural cheaters.” 😐
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HumanNumber348

Upvotes 90
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Date January 1, 2022 8:18 PM UTC
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[–]cloudnymphe 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t believe all men are all great human beings or anything like that, there are plenty of shitty men who lack empathy just as there are plenty of shitty women who lack empathy. Which is why you have to be very careful who you let in your life, be observant of an individuals behavior, and not assume people have good intentions.

But realizing that I don’t think negatively of men as a whole and prefer to view them as individuals rather than making generalizations or assumptions way more than a good number on men on this sub sure is weird. There are a lot of male misandrists on here. You aren’t an asshole because you’re a man, you being an asshole is on you alone. Same goes for women or anyone who defends their genders shitty behavior with “well men/women are all that way”. It’s so blatantly manipulative and just an excuse to brainwash people into complacency and putting up with being treated unfairly.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

We ain't nothin but mammals

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

🎶 So let’s do it like they do on the discovery channel 🎶

[–]TrueStormsWill not elaborate 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like the lost catacombs of Egypt

[–]Gaddammitkyle 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The capacity for betrayal does not guarantee betrayal. Being aware of what leads to betrayal should not convince you that betrayal is inevitable. Love fades, temptations increase, but its up to individuals to act on those impulses, and should you be the one who gets cheated on, never throw your hands up in disgust and claim all are as evil as your ex. If men and women give into this hopeless dating future, the ones willing to resist betraying their partner will never meet each other.

[–]quantisegravity_duh 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ngl it can certainly be hard sometimes… I find many who haven’t been cheated on just simply don’t understand how badly it can actually affect the entire being of someone who has. This applies to the cheaters themselves too.

[–]edwardpuppyhandsChad Monster omnomnomnom 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also women cheat about as much or near as much as men, both in studies and in my experience, especially if the definition of cheating expands to more casual physical affection, like kissing and groping.

[–]LillthOfBabylon 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the irony!
TRP and man-haters: Both believing that all men are sociopaths who only care about getting their dicks wet.

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (70 children) | Copy Link

It's called being consistent. I know this is a foreign concept to women.

We acknowledge the dark side of male nature just as we acknowledge the dark side of female nature.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (56 children) | Copy Link

Not always. I’m always mystified that the men on here will say they’re more loyal on the one hand, then talk about how they want to fuck every woman they see and/or should be allowed to sleep around

[–]razormachineSlut Whisperer 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

If I want to fuck every woman out there, and some effeminate guys as well but chose not to... well that's the definition of being loyal.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

Only having eyes for your partner, not having to constantly fight the urge to fuck every other woman, is more loyal

[–]razormachineSlut Whisperer 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

That's not how it works, here is the definition of loyality.

"Loyalty, in general use, is a devotion and faithfulness to a nation, cause, philosophy, country, group, or person."

What you want is an eunuch.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Not an enuch. Women want men who only have eyes for then

[–]razormachineSlut Whisperer 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Our sexual impulses are completely subconscious, so sorry that doesn't exist.

You can find a man which is not going to look at women because he knows that would hurt you, or because he is afraid you might hurt him.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Personally, I’ve long since made my peace with male sexuality - the good and bad

I’m just explaining why it doesn’t read as loyal to women. We fundamentally don’t get it

[–]EcocavalryShort bald janitor 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You won't get it until you transition to a man and get 70 times more testosterone fucking with your brain.

[–]razormachineSlut Whisperer 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh OK then. It's like you see a candy and then you feel like eating that candy, it's not some huge urge that you struggle to contain.

Your wife/GF has some candy ^^

[–]Illustrious_Plant265 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Let me help you out sis. I’m in a committed relationship but I still find other people sexually attractive. I think a major difference between men and women is that lack of testosterone makes it harder for women to act on sexual impulses. We tend to consider more than just the need to Orgasm when sizing up men. Including how it would make our significant other feel. Testosterone predisposes men to act without considering the cost of their actions. Men will lose half their assets and their family over the need to get their willy wet, all because the testosterone fueled need to orgasm reduced them to a sentient penis. The problem is that for a very long time, women were conditioned to be compassionate toward men’s perceived inability to control their own sexual urges, even so far as to blame the outside woman entirely when a man cheated as if the existence of a vagina besides his wife’s just left his poor little man mind and body no choice.

[–]Humphrey_fan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

The average testosterone level in men has been decreasing extremely for the last century so I am pretty sure women do not have to worry about men "not being loyal" after a couple of decades honestly ( if we believe your explanation).

[–]Illustrious_Plant2651 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That applies mainly to white men. All that colonizing and pillaging makes the dominant race too comfortable and soft.

[–]Humphrey_fan1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

This is a global trend. I am from the middle east and my country's testosterone levels are also declining ( even though it is higher than the European male average). Not to mention the amount of estrogen in popular fast foods.

Maybe white male testosterone levels are declining more rapidly ( even though I have never seen proof of that), but unless you count areas that are in total war and have an exceptionally shitty environment, testosterone levels are declining globally.

[–]Illustrious_Plant2651 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

So you’re saying that testosterone levels aren’t decreasing where there is constant violence and economic desperation? So in places where there is peace and stable living conditions men have less testosterone? Sounds like evolution to me. If human life keeps improving, maybe men will catch up to women as far as domestication.

[–]Humphrey_fan1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes, that's what I am saying, constant violence force men to be barbaric ( also women as well but to a lesser extent because of both societal expectations and biological differences).

[–]maplehobo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But it's not that hard to get. Loyalty is loyalty. You can't change the definition just because you don't like it. What you are asking for a is person with no autonomy or thoughts of his own, basically a robot. I'm not saying it can't happen, but a man who "only has eyes for you" and doesn't look at other women at all is going to be next to impossible to find.

[–]pikecatNo Pill 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like a narrow minded view based on fear and insecurity, rather than a real commitment.

I can look at other hot women and comment on them with my wife. She looks too and we compare. I don't go off and screw other women, because I am loyal.

Fantasies about human nature are an impediment to a good relationship. Understanding reality makes you better at it.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You’re answering this from a male POV

Like your wife, I DGAF at this point in my life. But women don’t understand how men can have this sexuality - to us, every other man ceases to exist sexually when we’re into a guy

It takes life experience to learn men aren’t like this. Like it takes men with AFBB

[–]pikecatNo Pill 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Women do understand. You don't. Most women I know do understand, but not all. You don't speak for all women. One relative gets to screw other women, sometimes, because his wife says so, and they are the ones with the best relationship together vis-a-vis othe couples.

Knowing something is not the same as understanding it.

I am not giving a male POV, I understand women quite well because I have spent my life listening intently, discussing ideas with, and paying close attention to the women in my life. Some were my best friends. Every single one is a completely unique individual, not like any other. Frankly, I like and share some ideas that women have more than ideas that many men have.

I can see the ways in which some men are bad to women. I see the ways that some guys are oblivious to how women feel and let down their partner. I can see how women feel about this.

It's not about picking sides. It's better to understand each other than to fight about one versus the other.

It does seem that a great many men do not understand women at all, especially the men on this sub. They are sharing a defective view on women.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

And if you talked to me today, you would say I understand. Because I do

All I am saying is that women are not born understanding male sexuality. It’s threatening and seemingly not loyal to women, when we’re looking at it through the prism of our own sexuality. Which - let’s face it - is all we have at first

We have to grow to appreciate it

[–]pikecat4 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

But wouldn't you say that, the idea that women might think that a man in a relationship should never look at another woman to be itself culturally inculcated?

We are not born knowing any view.

Your view seems to be a romantic ideal. From movies, maybe.

Women from different countries have quite a different understanding of men. That's not to say that all in any country are in anyway the same. But there are surface level similar ideas.

[–]SmurfESmurferson1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No. Women in limerence lose their attraction to other men

The fact that our men still want to fuck other women feels like a betrayal

If anything, men wanting their women to judge other people is culturally indoctrinated. That’s not how women work at all

Edit: I’m from an ex-pay family that openly discusses male and female POVs. I was raised to “understand” male sexuality, but it was still a shock

Like AFBB is to men

[–]pikecat4 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes, I understand that about women. So I suppose that it's logical for women to presume the same of men. I have to consider this idea moving forward. I haven't seen women changing their views, except in discussions with me.

You just can't lose your sense of attraction. I think that I did once, when very young and I knew a very, very special woman. But I didn't have much of the idea, or care about attractive women at the time. I cared about character only.

No, my wife is very her own person, she is very counter culture with her own strong ideas. She is an artist type, with a huge sense on the aesthetic. She does like her fashion, and models, despite being very down to earth. So no, she really appreciates other pretty women and their style. Her standards are higher than mine.

What is ex pay?

I think that men are more easily understandable than women (to me, duh). Women are more complex, on average, that's why I was so interested. Just my opinion.

AFBB I don't really know that stuff.

Yes, I changed it.

[–]pikecat3 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You made me remember something. Now you have me thinking too much.

That first girl that I was very close to. Despite being the obvious "good girl," she was asking about guy's views on women and sex in our conversations. So she was interested in understanding guys. However, she was clearly atypical, she later was the school valedictorian.

I think that most people on the internet are stuck on a superficial understanding of people. Many don't have a good understanding of the complex and varied world. Real life is much more complex and interesting. It's almost like the medium is the message.

[–]TrueStorms1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It is not from movies it is how women are naturally until reality wakes them up

[–]pikecat1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes, I have acknowledged that in a later reply to the same person

[–]TrueStormsWill not elaborate -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t want military leaders who like, really like America and all but just constantly have to fight these sympathies and urges to help China and Russia. That isn’t loyalty and men don’t have a hard time understanding this when it’s about something other than women.

[–]razormachineSlut Whisperer 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Loyalty would be their sense of devotion and faithfulness to it's country, it's people, their commander.

It's simple as fuck.

[–]ThisBoringLife 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not whether one is "most loyal", is whether one is loyal or not.

If we're talking solely based on the ends of it, what's the difference between only having eyes for your partner and fighting off the urge to cheat if they both end with staying with your partner?

[–]TrueStormsWill not elaborate -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because women have never solely cared about the ends of it and never will.

[–]redditthrowaway1478💪M/30/Seattle/red/optimistic nihilist 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Bravery is when you do what you're scared to do.

Loyalty is maintaining the integrity of an agreement even when you're incentivized away from it.

So I'm not sure how you could NOT percieve it as loyalty?

This is manipulative, but I understand why it works - how do you know a guy is loyal to you if he's not tested by temptation? Women have tested men with the other women as actors for generations from my understanding.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

And wanting to bang others is not loyal

[–]redditthrowaway1478💪M/30/Seattle/red/optimistic nihilist 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No...remaining loyal despite wanting to fuck others is loyalty

Remaining with your current employer even when another one is offering you an incentive to move is loyalty

This isn't that hard to figure out...

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would a woman want to commit to a man that wants to fuck everyone else?

It literally makes no sense from the perspective of female sexuality

[–]redditthrowaway1478💪M/30/Seattle/red/optimistic nihilist 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why would a woman want to commit to a man that wants to fuck everyone else?

Because AMALT. Even if it's to varying degrees. The ONLY and BEST hope a woman has if she wants commitment is to find a guy who will be less of a risk. Just like hypergamy will always be something men have to contend with.

Or good luck trying to find your unicorn.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like I’ve said elsewhere, I’m fine with male sexuality, personally

I’m trying to explain why women have issues with us. From our perspective, it’s not loyal and you’re constantly cucked by his desire for other women 24/7

[–]decoy88Black Male in London 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How much is loyalty if it’s never tested?

Frankly I’d be more worried about someone who never dealt with temptation vs someone who has and overcame it.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

“Never tested” isn’t the same as “wants to fuck everyone else”

[–]decoy88Black Male in London 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ehh, “wants to fuck” seems to be interpreted differently when a lot of women hear it or read it.

[–]TrueStormsWill not elaborate -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Testing it is having some woman throw herself at him and he resists. What does that have to do with constantly fighting the urge to bang other women?

[–]cloudnymphe 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree, it’s natural to find others attractive even when you’re in a relationship, I don’t see how that’s under anyone’s control. You can fantasize/look all you want as long as you aren’t breaking the boundaries established in the relationship and neglecting your partner or being dishonest.

Although unlike the opinion of some men in this thread I believe this applies equally to both women and men.

[–]razormachineSlut Whisperer 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I used to check out guys and girls with my GF and we would score them, say what we like/dislike about them.

People which keep their eyes open during sex do not fantasize about anyone =)

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Because as a woman you have trouble coming to terms with how men can be sexually attracted to a lot of people at the same time. Just because we want to fuck other women, it doesn't mean we stop wanting to fuck you too or that we feel anything for these women. This is completely unlike female sexuality.

This ability of ours to maintain attraction to a lot of women is why it's so much harder for men to lose attraction to their wives. Of course it also has the downside of pushing us to always want to fuck new pussy. But as long as the man controls himself and doesn't cheat, the relationship will be fine. Which is why male sexuality with it's desire for sexual variety is frankly better suited for monogamy than women's SERIALLY monogamous hypergamy.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, this is what I’m clumsily trying to explain. It doesn’t read as loyalty to women

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Would they prefer women's version of loyalty, where they easily lose attraction to the man for the most inane reasons and either dump him for some other dude or make everyone involved miserable?

Loyalty is standing by your significant other without betraying them. It has nothing to do with whether you get horny for other chicks. If women don't read loyalty as loyalty, it's on them.

[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Women don’t read that as loyalty, no

[–]ChaddamhuseinPost body before calling me an incel 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Yeah because women dont even have the concept of actual loyalty in their brains. The only semblance of loyalty that you have is to your fsm hivemind

A brainless animal understands it and functions by ti better than youll ever do as a woman

[–]FabulousFuchsbauTraditional-ish Dodger of Assholes and Asker of Questions 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

TIL I’m not a woman

[–]ChaddamhuseinPost body before calling me an incel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Youre overestimating yourself

[–]FabulousFuchsbauTraditional-ish Dodger of Assholes and Asker of Questions 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope according to this I’m not a woman

[–]Humphrey_fan -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The most sane and normal r/PurplePillDebate user:

[–]ChaddamhuseinPost body before calling me an incel 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmao

[–]Humphrey_fan -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The most creative response in r/PurplePillDebate

[–]TrueStormsWill not elaborate -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s delusional to think going through the motions of something you don’t believe at all is loyalty.

By this reasoning you should be fine with every wife having an only fans to make money, after all she just wants the simps’ cash and attention and she hasn’t left her husband.

Inb4 fake psychology about how women can’t do that without falling out of love first, but men who cheat stay in love, which is all clearly nonsense.

[–]TrueStormsWill not elaborate -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This reads as humiliating betrayal to women, not loyalty.

[–]Gaddammitkyle 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not me

[–]nemma8832/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I dont think that's universal with all the 'men cheating is good ackshually' posts that pop up.

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These posts are very rare.

[–]Teflon08191 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Cheating is cheating, but if you had to choose, would you rather your partner cheat with somebody they only consider to be a human-shaped masturbatory aide, or somebody they've actually developed an emotional connection with?

The statement "men cheating is good ackshually" is obviously incorrect, but it's presumably a highly misrepresented version of what actually gets said.

[–]stralotta 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Neither.

Though I don’t think “honey, she was a barely sentient flashlight I wanted to stick my dick in” isn’t the take you might think it is.

[–]Teflon08191 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"Neither" isn't an option. Choose again.

[–]stralotta -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The one who sees women as humanoid sex toys is irredeemable outside a stint in a gulag. Hope this answers your question

[–]Teflon08191 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't, but thanks for trying.

[–]ThisBoringLife 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cheating is cheating, but if you had to choose, would you rather your partner cheat with somebody they only consider to be a human-shaped masturbatory aide, or somebody they've actually developed an emotional connection with?

The question really is "Which option has them prefer to stay with somebody else over their partner?"

[–]TrueStormsWill not elaborate -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s honestly really sad this is presented as good

[–]Teflon08191 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not presented as good. It's presented as less bad.

Not less bad enough to be considered excusable or worthy of leniency, but less bad none-the-less.

[–]FabulousFuchsbauTraditional-ish Dodger of Assholes and Asker of Questions 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We acknowledge the dark side of male nature

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Nice to see you have a sense of humor

[–]Humphrey_fan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am a male and the only dark side of me is the fact that I masturbate to water bottles, they are sexy.........................

[–]TrueStormsWill not elaborate 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haven’t seen any consistency. I have seen a lot of “women are paranoid for avoiding being alone with strange men and need to just relaxxxx” alongside “how did that women get date raped, doesn’t she know about male nature and what happens when you’re alone with a man?”

[–]FabulousFuchsbauTraditional-ish Dodger of Assholes and Asker of Questions 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP: Men are the most loyal and would never betray their beloved!

Also TRP: I didn’t have sex for two hours, time to go cheat because clearly this fucking bitch doesn’t love me!

FDS: Find a HVM for treats you like a queen and is loyal, I’m wife material!

Also FDS: All men are shit with zero value and I fucking hate them all!

[–]DarkSp3ctre 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. I don’t have much faith in a lot if guys but at least I try to assume positive intent.

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[–]DeJuanBallard 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tf?

[–]OneAngryBlutbadRed For Less Bullshit, Purple Because I’m Still Me 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

FINALLY SOMEONE POSTED IT

[–]pikecatNo Pill 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This statement is binary. It is either true or not true.

Since there are many men in the world, the statement is both true and untrue, because some men are and some are not.

Statistically, and it a hard thing to be certain about, it seems that a rough average of surveys gives us a rough value of 50%, with a wide margin of error.

Whenever you declare a large group of people to have one characteristic, you're going to be wrong. All cases exist in a large population.

[–]Doodicus64 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe but women are better at it.

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