From Average to Above Average.... Just Why?

RedRum-My-Ego · 2023-11-27T17:03:55+00:00

Redpilling is about taking control of your life so that you can get what you want out of it. Lifting and fixing your attitude will not help if you have no purpose or have not defined what you want out of life. Its clear given what you have put above that you have no purpose other than endless pursuing pleasure. Pleasures come and go but you need to be striving for meaning in your life and that typically comes when you find a purpose or a drive to complete something that is bigger than yourself.

going redpill without a purpose or goal is like trying to drive a care with no gas. Trying to redpill anyway without a purpose is like getting out of the car and pushing it when all you need to do is go to the gas station down the road.

all self improvement is worthless if you don't have any idea what you are going to do with your new and improved self because you will lose the drive to sustain that improvement. There is no sense in wasting your time sharpening a sword that will never be unsheathed in battle.

Figure out what you want, plan how to get it and use RP as it should be: a tool box for helping you get the things you want in life. Not a magic wand that makes you happy without you having to do the ground work.

Does this make sense?

Indexxak · 2023-11-27T16:42:08+00:00

I see this argument often and I find it a bit irrelevant cause everybody stating this argument assumess that to rise above the ranks is very costly while staying average or below is free. But it you really think about it being average or below average is costly as f*ck. I would argue much more than trying to succeed.

Yes you might have to go to the gym 3 times a week, eath healthy and rest well.
Yes you might have to dediceate couple years to study a relevant field to have higher salary than if you didnt and learn about vrious topics such as finances, seduction, etc, to improve yourself.
Yes you might have to go out and practice game and face constant rejection to learn how to attract women.
Yes you might have to perform in the relationship to keep that attraction.

But have you ever considered what happens if you dont do it?

ignore first point and youre much more likely to be a fatass with heart problems, sleep worse, have back ache, people will treat you worse, etc.
ignore chasing money and you might find yourself unable to secure basic needs and freedoms, or end up without any retirement savings, or lose your life savings in the first emergency, or end up doing a job you hate or that drains you.
ignore practicing game and you might end up spending your life with somebody you had to settle with that you dont even like.
ignore the fourth point and you might have to pay for expensive divorce, or end up getting cheated on, lose her respect, etc.

This could go on and on. So I partially agree with you and if you decide to go monk mode there are certainly some benefits to that. But never forget that not playing the game (besides women) is also not free.

Better-Emergency-952 · 2023-11-27T17:15:39+00:00

You are very much coping about women. If you didn't want women, you wouldn't be writing this. Procreation is the first thing we were made to do, naturally your body has many ways to punish and motivate you.

You say that your life is ok, but it's clearly not. If it were, you wouldn't be rumanating and coping so much.

If you think that everything you do is work, of course your life will consist of nothing but suffering

Green__Bananas · 2023-11-27T18:03:54+00:00

This is such a low testosterone post

0L_Gunner · 2023-11-27T21:58:37+00:00

Try reading some people who spent a lot more effort trying to address these questions. I recommend everyone read these during a lifetime (even one's you disagree with) because you will likely interact with a lot of people during your lifetime that hold these views. 95% of philosophies dealing with the topic of "How To/Why Live" fall into one of these.
Assuming you're a beginner to reading philosophy, go in order of difficulty. It takes a bit of time to get used to the style of writing:

"Utilitarianism" by John Stuart Mill
Difficulty: 2/5
Length: Short (around 100 pages)
Time to Read: 4-6 hours
Description: The moral value of an action is determined by its contribution to overall happiness.

"Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius
Difficulty: 2/5
Length: Short (around 100 pages)
Time to Read: 4-6 hours
Description: Live a life of virtue, self-control, and rationality, accepting fate and focusing on what is within your control.

"On Suicide" by David Hume
Difficulty: 2/5
Length: Very short (an essay)
Time to Read: 1-2 hours
Description: Life may cease to be worth living if its miseries far outweigh its pleasures.

"Nicomachean Ethics" by Aristotle
Difficulty: 3/5
Length: Medium (around 350 pages)
Time to Read: 15-20 hours
Description: Happiness, the ultimate goal of life, is achieved through virtue and rational activity.

"The Myth of Sisyphus" by Albert Camus
Difficulty: 3/5
Length: Short to medium (around 120 pages)
Time to Read: 6-8 hours
Description: Life is inherently devoid of meaning; embrace individual meaning through personal rebellion.

"Confessions" by St. Augustine
Difficulty: 3/5
Length: Long (around 300-400 pages)
Time to Read: 20-30 hours
Description: True happiness and peace are found in God, with life being a spiritual quest towards divine love.

"Fear and Trembling" by Søren Kierkegaard
Difficulty: 4/5
Length: Medium (around 160 pages)
Time to Read: 10-15 hours
Description: Acknowledges the world's absurdity, recommending religion and rejecting the primacy of reason.

"Beyond Good and Evil" by Friedrich Nietzsche
Difficulty: 4/5
Length: Medium (around 200 pages)
Time to Read: 12-15 hours
Description: Challenges conventional morality to create individual values.

"Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals" by Immanuel Kant
Difficulty: 5/5
Length: Short (around 80 pages)
Time to Read: 10-12 hours
Description: Moral action is based on universal principles respecting individual rationality and dignity.

"Ethics" by Spinoza
Difficulty: 5/5
Length: Medium (around 250 pages)
Time to Read: 20-25 hours
Description: Happiness is achieved through understanding and living in accordance with one's nature.

"Pensées" by Blaise Pascal
Difficulty: 5/5
Length: Medium to long (varies, but often around 300-400 pages)
Time to Read: 15-20 hours
Description: Asserts that reason necessitates religion in an uncertain world.

antariusz · 2023-11-27T16:26:28+00:00

You are just going through the motion of life.

You need a goal to strive toward. You never once talked about what you want out of life. If your only goal is "survive" then you need better goals. You need to think bigger, you need to think better.

You ARE just going through the motions, and that is why your life sucks. Accomplish something, do something important, be important. If the only "goal" in life you can think of is having a slightly more comfortable mattress or sleeping with a 7, you need to re-evaluate your "dreams".

When you were 7 years old did you think, when I grow up, I want to be able to afford a 10 dollar bottle of wine instead of box wine.

thetonybvd · 2023-11-27T18:15:20+00:00

1/ Having an Average lifestyle is okay. Redpill is about to be rich, not looking like you're rich. You'll just attract gold diggers and they're the worst women to date.

Go in a rural state, cut and split your own wood. If you're looking like the Youtuber Thoren Bradley, you'll drown in pussy, without expensive things.

Don't spend your hard-earned money on useless things

2/ Never get married, or prenup and secure all your things.

3/ Learn how to fuck women like a god, learn how to make them cum and orgasm like crazy, be the best fuck they will ever be with. This is the only cure against sexless relationships

4/ Stay fit and attractive when you got older. Once you have kids, spend money on a hair transplant, on finasteride, on cialis, on TRT and Deca to stay in the best shape of you life.

5/ Have options, even if you're married (but don't cheat, we are not here to break genuine women)

6/ If you're affraid of relationships, become a monk in the woods at this point, or, learn to not be desperate, and walk away at the 1st redflag

johncillo · 2023-11-28T03:42:33+00:00

This response is not typical redpill, but much more of a man that was in your position: It Gets Better. I know that purpose is valuable but more than that is to do things without objectives, just for the pleasure of doing them, to enjoy life. Women are just a nice ice cream on a saturday afternoon. If you want to find your purpose start by enjoying life.

DearSail7885 · 2023-11-27T19:10:42+00:00

TRP forum should just be deleted already. This is the sort of drivel being upvoted?

Better-Emergency-952 · 2023-11-27T17:09:48+00:00

I'm sure the books 12 rules for life and "Beyond Order" are going to help you out.

PiperBigBell · 2023-11-27T19:14:17+00:00

You keep resisting your reason for being. Your early body, every perogative you have was created to make you strive through hard times. That is the core of human nature. We strive. We conquer. We rest. Repeat. Sometimes we strive in the trenches where the suffering becomes meaningless and full of senseless mental, physical, social violence.

Then we crawl out and find and appreciate a new peace we never thought possible. Learn to become one with striving. Learn to love the fight. It only sucks when you're not winning. It only sucks when you aren't present. Many will speak of how toxic masculinity is, society is, the big bankers are, etc. That's because they aren't winning and they can't picture a reality in which they complete the survival cycle.

They're stuck in endless striving (suffering), which is actual hell. Suffering without any hope rest and restoration is hell. Finish the cycle. Part two is, in this society, being average is a death sentence. It won't get you the house you want (which was originally available to average people), the women you want, the freedom you want. We now live in a world of haves and have nots. Being average means you get nothing but slavery and bills you can barely pay.

Average now means $750 car payments, rent that's 50% of your income. No savings. No hope of retirement. Going to an office and commuting 2 hours a day. Eating shitty tasty and depressing carb filled foods which ultimately kill you. Diabetes. High blood pressure. Clogged arteries. Disabilities and antidepressants which i think 1 in 8 Americans are on antidepressants. This is what average gets you.

You can't even call that striving. It's getting fucked by the system. It's being bent over and violently railed. Not even striving to escape their captor but striving to focus on taking society's big hard cock like a good little bitch. They think taking dick is enough.

So you either max out your potential in the easiest time in history to become successful or you die slowly everyday being average. You're also out of tune spiritually. Once you learn to be present, detach, surrender your mind to the beauty of the world, your reason for being becomes clear.

symere_woods2 · 2023-11-27T19:36:48+00:00

It’s exhilarating to truly excel and most people will not truly experience that. I’d say that’s reason enough, if the money, status, respect, helping humanity doesn’t do it for you.

Then the question arises, if we’re only doing life once, why not truly excel and apply ourselves the most? If you wanted to be annoying you could say the opposite applying yourself the least, is equally valid. It sure is. There’s no universal objective reasoning for this.

cluelessguitarist · 2023-11-27T20:03:26+00:00

Life sucks, gotta make the best of it, just find the cheat codes

LQG_Inanis · 2023-11-27T22:56:17+00:00

Okay, so let's also say that on average for every 4 units of pain you receive to get that 1 unit of pleasure, correct? If these terms are not acceptable to you, then you renegotiate something women seem incapable of doing in the workplace but do plenty of in the bedroom. But I digress don't like the shitty sleep you get from alcohol and your average mattress, well trade up some of the pleasant units and therefore pain units from getting a girlfriend to get a higher end mattress. This, of course, will only work for so long before alcohol is needed again, but that is the cycle of life. You have a problem you create a temporary solution for your temporary body, rinse ,repeat.

ElectricObsessed · 2023-11-28T01:14:10+00:00

That's never the right way to view things. You simply have to be on a productive path of your choice that involves developing both the body and the mind, and be consistent with it for many years and you will see progress and you will be successful.

But to do that, you have to enjoy the process and severely limit anything that does not help you on your path. You will never find a man who has developed his body and mind who succombs easily to his impulses.

ShitDonuts · 2023-11-28T01:27:25+00:00

Because you'd be better off. Biologically we are all human and we have evolved over millennium systems to reward certain actions, you can't escape or deny it. Put maximum effort into life and you'll obtain the maximum rewards, put mediocre effort and you'll obtain mediocre rewards.

adam-l · 2023-11-28T04:28:47+00:00

False accusations do happen, but focusing too much on being protected from them that you shun women because of the possibility is not a viable strategy. In practice, your biggest threat is not a false accusation, it is having children and having them taken away and possibly turned against you. If you can guard against that, you can relax about fearing women.

Then there's the issue of intimacy, which is admittedly tough. And that's because there's no expectation of commitment nowadays. And without commitment and investment, intimacy loses much of its sense. But that's how it is with women (and, actually, has always been). You need a more zen-like approach, whereby you enjoy the intimate feeling of the moment, fully knowing that it will someday end. It is possible. And it is palatable once you realize that's as good as it gets. Hey, bonus point, you get to ditch her when she gets ugly and obnoxious!

Then, you focus on fun, which gets you intimacy as a by-product.

JayyySkywalker · 2023-11-28T05:29:34+00:00

Find a hobby lol. Why even put yourself in this kind of box. you out here hating the cookie cutter life but willfully choosing it.

-Sand · 2023-11-28T09:35:03+00:00

"One unit of pleasure against four units of pain" Tell me, what about family, kids, reaching a goal together? Why the fuck should I care if my wife is uglier with 40 then she was with 20. Life is not all about sex.

As a high quality man you will increase your chances of getting a high quality woman.

Dont look at the average, look at yourself. Life is about learning, about evolving, about setting and reaching your own goals. To become above average only for women is not acceptable.

Also, its okay to do nothing. But isnt it nice to have impact?

Your description of average is for many an absolute blessing of a life. This is actually an above average description.

wtr665 · 2023-11-28T09:59:44+00:00

Doing what i do means freedom. It doesn't mean being above average. It means that i can do what i want and enjoy the pain which i chose. At the end of the day, nobody can tell me what to do

SleeeezyDeeeezy · 2023-11-28T16:16:32+00:00

There's no meaning. Humans want to force a "meaning" on meaningless shit.

Once you are comfortable with this fact, the dilemma works itself out. Just like you're comfortable with the fact that eventually we'll all die, yet we try not to. Also, it's a survival mechanism to get yourself better, but that's another story..

plantsurfing · 2023-11-29T23:25:55+00:00

this exercise really helped me out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2SqqjRn\_c0

Godskook · 2023-11-30T15:13:20+00:00

Ultimately, all the pleasures and accomplishments you seek come with a cost: 1 unit of pleasure comes with 4 units of pain.

Sure, but that's not the conversion works, and it snowballs. You've over-localized your thinking to care only about the here and now, and that's a thought-pattern that usually ends up with less pleasure over time.

So the question is really this: Do you want to do things like lifting, and spend a bit of "pain" upfront to harvest far more pleasure than you invested? Cause if you're the sort of person to be asking these questions, you've probably been making poor life-investments and could use "being in shape" in your life.

alexXx9_ · 2023-12-04T07:39:25+00:00

Wow, this post feels exactly like the one I just wrote... I am the guy who you described...

I was chubby, broke, with loser friends, in a small boring city without hopes...

I managed to learn game enough to have some consistent sex, a good muscular physique with lower body fat than the average guy and quite a good amount of muscles, I earn 3-5 times the amount of money of the average person and now around 10x more what the locals makes here (I moved to Mexico in the Caribbean side of the country ) by having my online semi passive business that allows me to travel, work whenever or wherever I want, an attractive yet lovely girlfriend that is decreasing the amount of sex she "permits" me to have, she is starting to gradually lose desire and respect altho it is still manageable and in good health...

I have traveled, accomplished almost what 90% of people on social median seems to dream about, yet... I feel a void within i feel lonely, I don't feel any big reasons or purpose to wake up in the morning other than continue the grind... For sure it is not depression, it is simply not the "big vision" or motivation Tony Robbins or Elon Musk have let's say...

What are we supposed to do? Work hard all the time, chase excellence and when you are almost there you realize that it is shallow and not what you were looking for. .. So what to do? I don't know honestly

Eastern-Resource-773 · 2023-12-24T16:32:04+00:00

Life is about the pain you fucking loser.

From Average to Above Average.... Just Why?

Being Average

The question

Hypothesis

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Title	From Average to Above Average.... Just Why?
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Date	November 27, 2023 4:18 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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