Is it possible to be the full package? open for discussion..

Redpillthriller · 2015-07-07T07:29:52+00:00

Of course it is. To have a successful LTR you need to display both traits. Experienced LTRers know that during her period turn up the beta traits as she will comfort test more. During ovulation shit tests will fly as her body tells her to find an alpha mate, so it's time to dial up the aloofness/asshole side.

Too much beta and she won't respect you. Too much alpha,she won't respect herself and basically melt down.

theultmatecad · 2015-07-07T12:38:44+00:00

I think the best model for LTR game is not manly man Alpha. Its Daddy game.

Daddy is firm and has boundaries. He will discipline his family. But he also loves them and takes care of their needs. He is the rock they cling to.

Daddy never asks his kids or his girl for support. He is always ok. He makes them ok but does not require same in return.

Women absolutely will prefer the asshole to the beta but its because he stands up for himself,not because women actually prefer assholes. Give them daddy and they will swoon

Di-onysos · 2015-07-07T07:37:13+00:00

What you are saying is pretty much what Mark Manson says in his book Models.

IMO if you don't dare to show the "real" you(whatever that is, it's up to you to define) and always wear a mask you're missing out on life.

Why wouldn't you dare to let yourself out, be spontaneous? Because you're so damn invested in what other people think of you. If they don't like what you show them, next them. What weight does their disapproval have anyway? None, if you are a self-motivated individual.

CuntyMcFagNuts69 · 2015-07-07T13:25:16+00:00

Yes and no. Can you "be" those things? Sure. But you don't want to "be" those things. Just keep the "beta mindset" in your bag of tricks

My grandpa always carried this badass pocket knife he got in Korea during the war. It had every fucking utility you would ever need. I remember when I was 3, we were fishing he pulled out the knife and I kept asking about the different utilities. There was one that looked like it never been used, so I asked him what it did. He said, "CuntyMcFagNuts69, I don't know what half the shit on this knife does, but I know I'll need them someday"

He died 24 Years later and I saw the knife again on his dresser, every utility was used at that point. There's a utility for everything.

asiank1ng · 2015-07-07T14:52:52+00:00

Elliot Hulse put it in a great way in one of his videos.

He preaches tender aggression.

If someone is too beta, they are seen as impotent, not strong.

If someone is too alpha, they are seen as premature ejaculators, going TOO hard.

Even on goodlookingloser, he has an article on juxtaposition. Read it up, it's about how the most attractive guy to a woman is a man who has two contradicting traits.

In my opinion, yes, it's important to have both qualities. it's all how you use them. If you're coming from a place of indifference, it'll be okay to make dinner for your girl, or buy her gifts every now and then, or cuddle. But if you're doing it from a place of neediness, that's when trouble will happen.

She'll know ;)

zortyk · 2015-07-07T07:48:59+00:00

I try to be this, even though guys here tend to think you have to be a bunny to be a man. I'm not eager to get a whore for a wife, but there's a certain balance in life between being kind and virtuous and being judicious about the people you interact with. Modern women are the silent blade- lying about past sex lives and enticing you, but my idea is to play it smart with who you choose to have a ltr with, and to better yourself for the sake of helping others and yourself

BetterRedThanRed · 2015-07-07T14:24:41+00:00

I think it is important to remember that TRP is not PUA.

PUA tells you: There is an actually quite limited pool of tricks and if you master them, you can get any woman for fuck you.

TRP tells you: People have a SMV. You can only change your SMV so much. A 2/10 man will never turn into a 9/10.

So to answer your question: Some people can be a full package. Some people can not.

MentORPHEUS · 2015-07-07T15:43:05+00:00

For the critics, this doesn't matter in short term relationships <6mos where you're just riding the honeymoon phase. If you are after a relationship on a scale of years/decades, pay heed to what OP is saying. I've SEEN marriages where the man is "Alpha as Fuck" and always domineering till the end of time; these women may obey him on the surface but are resentful and bitter inside, and happy times together are rare and limited.

Consider the principle, "Women are the gatekeepers of sex, Men are the gatekeepers of commitment." The mistake Betas make is, they offer their commitment upfront in exchange for the HOPE of sex; of COURSE women have a hard time respecting this, and a relationship that manages to get started under these conditions is liable to fail.

HOWEVER, when an Alpha man establishes his relationship as such and sets a strong precedent, later adding in comforting touches as condiments or side dishes, this makes for a much happier LTR over time.

Remember the power of the intermittent reinforcement schedule, and never become supplicating on demand. ALWAYS offer comforting behaviors on your own terms, that's how they keep from becoming the new norm and overtaking a man's Alpha frame.

You'll hear women in LTRs gushing over their strong Alpha man and "the little sweet things he does sometimes!" What they say in this case is backed up by their long-term behavior. You won't hear them praising their man for "Always being dominant and hard" and I've seen firsthand that over time, their behavior proves that all Alpha and no comfort (hard BDSM excepted) does NOT make for long-term happiness. edit for clarity

AdonisHera · 2015-07-07T16:17:12+00:00

I read one comment on here that said "too much alpha, she won't respect herself and melt down." Jesus. Wow that has always been my problem. I tend to go alpha/IDGAF overboard sometimes. I was too stupid to know when to turn on the beta traits, when she needed a beta, even though my default mode is Alpha. Wow. I don't think you guys know how much that hit me reading that. Jesus. It took me all the way up until my junior year of college to realize this. Thank you.

Red_August · 2015-07-07T12:49:33+00:00

Being Alpha is the "whole package" for women. Don't listen to what they say, observe what they do.

"I know men who are alpha as fuck and their women come to me because they go over board and feel this void missing with their SO. "its always about him, he doesnt blah blah..."

Do you really want to be their emotional tampon? I certainly don't want to mop-up the emotional hubris from other women.

The confusion here is that in the Alpha's toolbox there is more than just a hammer. Alpha does not mean "asshole". Asshole is one tool in the Alpha toolset. To be Alpha is to lead. Power must first be yielded to you by any voluntary or involuntary mechanisms of submission to your leadership. You will need to earn this, and to accomplish this, you will need a multitude of tools. One of which is indeed empathy, for example, but certainly not the conditional empathy of the Beta.

There is truth in the necessity to provide softer, comforting touchpoints when you engage in a relationship with a woman. This is true for any form of relationship. We often say in TRP that one needs to dial up or down the Beta to perform this but I think this is misleading. You dial up or down the empathy - but you remain Alpha, always. Alpha, and empathy are not mutually exclusive. Conversely, you see, you can be a Beta asshole - a frustrated chump - using the asshole "hammer" does not automatically make you an Alpha either.

In any case, there is certainly much more discussion needed on these finer points. For that matter, discussions on what types of relationships with women are of any benefit to men. But if you must err, err on the side of being hard.

Rough_Anteater · 2015-07-07T16:06:11+00:00

The most important thing is what kind of girl you're planning to have an LTR with. Some girls are still sluts no matter how alpha or beta you are. But with some a healthy relationship ir actually possible. But many guys here on TRP do not understand how to treat your LTR. Many will use techniques that they use with plates, for example radio silence. This will not work with LTR. O proper girl will invest a lot of time and effort into your LTR and will expect the same in return. If you do not provide anything else except of being "hawt" then the LTR will collapse soon. My current LTR seems to be just fine so far, even though I sometimes do things that are here considered as "beta behavior", like drawing her a postcard on our anniversary. But at the same time, I keep lifting and improving myself and always use an opportunity to use a light dread.

TheRedPhil · 2015-07-07T14:10:33+00:00

In my opinion, it's possible, but not with every girl.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-07-07T16:42:24+00:00

No Charm, No Love

That's the basis of the No Charm, No Love philosophy.

If a woman looks up to a man and respects and Charms him, then as a reward for her girlishly enjoyable presence she gets your Love.

This is how it's supposed to work.

Plate Spinners reject Love entirely and stick to Lust because it's less complicated.

A reminder however:

You must achieve true Amused Mastery to do this. Her attempts to manipulate you with her Charm need to be seen and understood and kept in check. Don't let the woman have more than 40% of the Power in the relationship. (60% / 40% split)

f3yleaf · 2015-07-07T18:28:46+00:00

You can be very compassionate as long as its conditional, the problem is when you let people abuse your kindness and still try to be kind. For ltr's you have to show vulnerability and its fine in many cases, as long as people know its conditional and you are ready to be emotionally honest about your anger aswell.

I always aim to be pleasant to be around and add value to those around me(both men and women), I have nothing to prove, I know who I am.

I feel bad for people who think they have to act all alpha all the time, thats misguided, being a positive compassionate alpha is the way to go, Ideally you want to be able to just be who you are and relax as much as possible.

sgt-pepper12345 · 2015-07-07T22:54:12+00:00

Couldn't agree with OP more, almost felt like I was writing it.

The amount of emotion you show has to be conditioned depending on the woman and your own natural demeanour of course, but it is wise advice. 20% is quite a decent estimate, but even that can vary depending on her stress or hormone level.

The most important thing is to figure out exactly where the boundary is with each woman, and unwaveringly stick to it. To show a small amount of vulnerability at calculated moments shows a security in your masculinity that no amount of posturing and dominance can match. However if you even slightly go over that line, or show any degree of vulnerability in regards to her actions towards YOU, they will immediately no longer respect your limits and perceive any reassertion of dominance as unwieldy aggression.

OverTimeAgain · 2015-07-08T02:58:38+00:00

Maintaining the balance between rational and emotional and hard and soft etc etc is important. In fact I'd say a true leader requires this.

GayLubeOil · 2015-07-07T10:17:19+00:00

Jesus Christ. Your like those Christians who pick and chose which parts of the bible they believe in. The Red Pill is a packaged deal. You want to write your bitch poetry and send flowers to her workplace go ahead. Have fun! But for the love of god when your feeling feminine and want to finger fuck your pussy, dont tell her what you are feeling insecure about. Because when she gets pissy and it will happen eventually. Everything you do and say will be used against you by a woman is she's mad

redpillspeeddate · 2015-07-07T08:51:29+00:00

The TRP is a journey, not a destination.

Yes, you can be the full package. I know I am, but you run the risk of settling for less than you desire. Make sure you have an iron clad list of what traits you absolutely must have in a girl for an LTR that will get to see that 10% romantic you, otherwise you are wasting time and losing frame.

I found a girl who matched everything I want in a woman and then some, however she knows I'm the leader in the relationship and defers to me 98% of the time.

tl;dr: if you are the full package don't settle for 8 donuts in the dozen.

Some good reading on this: http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/22/just-get-it/ http://therationalmale.com/2012/07/25/the-5-stages-of-unplugging/

RPmatrix · 2015-07-07T13:47:30+00:00

TL;DR Do you think its possible to be both Alpha as fuck but have a sensitive side to you so women view you as the full package?

of course! I am.

(link disabled) ww.girlschase.com/content/sigma-male-alternative-being-alpha-male

enjoy

Superdan385 · 2015-07-07T15:11:34+00:00

Didn't really read, but the title made me think of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbJOLq5wXwk&list=FLG7dK3gqsfVme1qLTJpnSHQ&index=22 He was on the Beige Philip Show too. One of my favorite episodes.

Gimleyx · 2015-07-07T15:30:35+00:00

You can do what you make up your mind to do.

Comodore · 2015-07-07T18:58:29+00:00

I will not be losing time to woman that does not respect my emotions, yet I know that finding understanding of my emotional chaos in woman is wrong way to go. I am able to make peace with my feelings and understand myself and most importantly to know who I am. This is somethings we have to do. And I don't give a shit about shit test. If she wants to manipulate me than I will not invest time in herself.

FateReigns · 2015-07-07T18:59:50+00:00

So you're calling the full package the ability to essentially toggle Alpha/Beta traits depending on the situation? I like it, and I think it's essential. Often times I see people viewed as Beta just because they do exactly this.

If you plan on LTRing, it's essential to show emotion. If you're just looking for plates, then yeah, be 100% Alpha.

slothsenpai · 2015-07-08T00:55:23+00:00

No denying the importance of the IFGAF attitude and not taking shit from others but I feel people in TRP community underestimate the effectiveness of the more beta traits. There's no shame in showing a slight feminine side (without acting like a neurotic fag), showing that you're sensitive (without being a pussy), being into kids and cute animals, showing a bit of compassion (without being an emotional tampon) or having a childish side (which comes with the IDGFA attitude).

oldredder · 2015-07-08T03:22:54+00:00

as long as a woman gets feelz and she credits you for it, you don't have to actually feel a damn thing.

LordRahc · 2015-07-07T07:32:48+00:00

There is a tendency for all people to overcomplicate pretty much anything. Read, acquire information, and then it's simple. Just be the best version of yourself. If you're doing well as it seems you are, why change the formula? That was an honest question. What more do you want?

colombia40 · 2015-07-07T07:46:50+00:00

Do not question your love

Halfjor · 2015-07-07T09:21:34+00:00

"Full package"? I'm unsure about that.

Sensitive side? Absolutely possible. There's a huge difference between being a stereotypical feeble-minded bitch boy and a grown man who isn't afraid of his own emotions. What you do not want to do is to use a girl as an emotional crutch or a shoulder to cry on. That's disgusting to women.

It's about picking and choosing what you discuss/open up about with a girl. There's importance in the details. If you're showing more emotion about something you want to frame it as "letting her in" instead of "looking to her for support". If you're constantly holding frame and keeping shit locked down it can actually be endearing to open up about a emotional topic or have a deeper talk. I think it comes off as trusting and feeds the feminine desire for that type of shit. They get off on that if it's a prize and not a constant outpouring. It just can't be frequent. Emotional connection is an important facet of any intimate relationship. There's no direct trade off between alpha behavior and emotional disclosure, you just have to be smart. Be machiavellian about it.

This is all concerning LTR+ though, obviously. You don't need a sensitive side to bang chicks.

eaton80 · 2015-07-07T18:17:35+00:00

"Package" for whom? Using that word implies you are not doing this for your own benefit, but for the benefit of others.

FatStig · 2015-07-07T07:38:08+00:00

Not in the current legal climate. Given that climate, you can only reveal beta traits as bait.

DarkSayed · 2015-07-07T10:34:48+00:00

Do you think its possible to be both Alpha as fuck but have a sensitive side to you so women view you as the full package?

Yes, but why do you care so much how women view you? Are their opinions really that important?

You have an obligation to be the best you can be, but the obligation is only to yourself.

zombig · 2015-07-07T14:23:24+00:00

so women view you as the full package?

I don't give a flying fuck how the women view me. Are you a servant to them? You came here to learn a new ways to please bitches?

You're not a god damn clown who has to do everything right to please your girl. Some of you guys suffer from, what Charles Munger calls, consistency and commitement tendency. You've invested too much ego in chasing pussy and pleasing gangas. I think you forget about your own well-being in the process.

Just focus on yourself. Having those "alpha" traits has its benefits in every social setting. It's not about jumping around bitches showing off like an orangutan. There is so much knowledge available in the sidebar, I can't believe some of you are still looking for a new cool-trick-to-make-women-look-at-you after reading it.

and the fact that I have never been "heartbroken" or cheated on (that I know of) doesnt leave me with this big ball of woman hate in my stomach that I see so often on here

Woman hate? I was never cheated on either (to my knowledge), so what? You don't need or want your experiences to shape your world view. People here just don't trust women 100%, that's not hate.

I_is_the_best · 2015-07-07T15:25:35+00:00

It isn't really worth to be a full package. Sometimes you want to have a beer. Sometimes you want to have a steak. Right ? Some people even drink a beer while eating steaks. Though making a soup out of beer and diced steak would be just retarded.

That's pretty much what being a beta and alpha in one is to women. They might say they want it but that's not true at all.

Gettingaware · 2015-07-07T15:15:48+00:00

no its not possible. you cannot master every single technique, and you cannot outshine others from every light.

Btw this post was super gay, you have no trouble getting women, and so you think you understand guys who are rejected by women? how fucking cute.

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