Something strange and inexplicable I have observed about TRP, MGTOW, Manosphere, etc.

throwaway-chemist · 2023-12-02T13:50:16+00:00

I can't say that's been my experience.

I don't know what social circles you frequent, but it's rare that I talk to a woman who doesn't get this stuff. Most are quite willing to talk about it, if couched in the right terms. Ask her how many guys she's dated who she was disappointed to find were weenies, pushovers, too needy, etc. Demonstrate that you understand how frustrating this is for women, so you're "in on it," and she'll open up and talk freely.

It's pretty much just dudes who don't get it.

You'll have the occasional radfem who talks about social equality etc. But get her alone, she gets wet for the same shit they all do. Those types have all eventually said some variation of "I don't like that I like this, but.." and then proceed to describe how good it feels to submit to me. Usually they'll add some qualifier like, "I don't want to speak for other women, and every woman gets to choose what she likes, but for me... [ I want to be led / dominated / etc ]."

Maybe this is selection bias; that is, perhaps the only women who stick around to talk to me are the ones who appreciate my brand of masculine energy.

But I don't think so. More likely, I think, you aren't yet skilled enough to make them comfortable such that they're willing to open up about what they really feel. Recall that women (and most dudes) are hyper conscious about group approval and always want to say "the right thing," even if it's just a mask for their true feelings.

However, once you open her up and show her you will appreciate her feminine beauty and wonder without judgement, the truth starts spilling out, and she will feel so much joy that someone could open her up and accept her. Making her feel seen/heard/understood and accepted is often the key to her heart, and her secret slutty side. In my experience this is an obligatory step on the way to helping her surrender and embrace herself as a feminine moon goddess or whatever.

As for communities, there's the red pill women sub, and another one I think is called red pill wives. There used to be a "taken in hand" community online but I think that's defunct. There's a ton of books from authors like Laura Doyle.

Something else to consider: women are not organizers, they are social nurturers. That is, like-minded women are not likely to go and seek out others with similar perspectives, build a community, or self organize into social roles within a hierarchy. Women are more likely to remain where they are, socially speaking, and do their best to fit in with the established order of things, or otherwise to seek out a community which already exists and integrate herself into that one. The propensity to quit mainstream society altogether in the hopes of forging a new one is a trait more suited to masculine energy. This is why you tend to see that countercultural groups with any degree of organization are founded and led by men.

It certainly isn't mainstream, and given how worked up people can get about gender dynamics it's not openly talked about. But, like any other subtle and pervasive countercultural movement, you can find and identify like minded people by saying the right things and watching their responses.

ApeMindFitness · 2023-12-02T14:12:49+00:00

I’m telling you. If you know women well enough you know that almost everything they say is a smoke screen. Logically they know all of this is true, but it hides behind their emotional perspective. You have to see past their bullshit.

It is nothin within their biological imperative to admit any of this is true. But they know it.

Never say sorry. You know the truth.

Smuggler-Tuek · 2023-12-02T14:13:32+00:00

Even the ones that “get it” can’t get past female solipsism to truly understand it. The most “red pilled woman” will instantly change their beliefs upon hitting the wall, becoming a mother, etc. I have seen it plenty where single childless chicks wholly accept that men want younger women with no children but once they hit 30 and have a kid the narrative shifts. They aren’t capable of seeing the world without seeing themselves first. It just is what it is.

More important to the question is that the red pill is not meant to be anything more than a rational look at reality in terms of intersexual dynamics of men and women. It’s apolitical, areligious, and amoral. Comparing it to political ideologies is a false equivalency.

filli1aj · 2023-12-02T22:01:09+00:00

There’s a reason why when my generation were kids there were no girls allowed in the tree house. This is because they always have to make it about them. Once she’s in, say good bye from defending your tree house against orcs and shit. Now it’s about making a play house and having a beauty pageant.

Even as little kids we understood these things. Thanks to the indoctrination station AKA public schools, men everywhere have forgotten.

Anyways, no girls allowed!!!

srqfla · 2023-12-02T17:14:53+00:00

Solipsism. Women won't focus on anything that doesn't benefit them directly. Men going their own way means diverting resources from women.

Men will join feminist groups to appear as white nights because they think it could benefit them and get them access to women who will sleep with them.

There is no intrinsic or overt benefit for a woman to follow the manisphere because there is no benefit for them

SilverWingBroach · 2023-12-02T17:42:43+00:00

There is a whole subreddit of them, just go to RedPillWoman

bert_cj · 2023-12-02T17:49:51+00:00

Uhm yes there are. They’re also lurking, they have their own platforms and content too

Ironside195 · 2023-12-02T20:15:07+00:00

There are TRP women but MGTOW-equivalent of women are just feminists too. Feminism is their MGTOW so…

El0vution · 2023-12-02T16:17:37+00:00

There is a red pill women subReddit and community around the world

dont_tread_on_me_777 · 2023-12-02T17:14:50+00:00

My mainland chinese girlfriend is red pilled as fuck, I even got reality checks from her once or twice before (even though she has no idea what red pill is and has never heard about it).

kellykebab · 2023-12-02T21:12:45+00:00

MGTOW promotes men living alone.

What role in such a "community" could women possibly occupy? Why would they have any interest in a worldview that essentially involves ignoring them? By definition, MGTOW is for men only. What is there for women to do in that space?

As for the Red Pill more broadly, women actually are somewhat involved. There is a "Redpill Women" sub on this very website. It's not identical to this sub, because these women are naturally not actually trying to be plates (they're trying to get LTRs and marriages out of high status guys). But it still reflects many of the same ideas and values of the "red pill" more generally.

In addition, I see women commenting on and agreeing with "red pilled" Youtubers all the time. One account I follow is Psychacks, run by a licensed psychologist. He has plenty of women followers and commenters who endorse his message.

That being said, at the "extreme" end of the manosphere, of course you see fewer and fewer women.

The more a particular content creator or community endorses overt manipulation and deception towards women, the less you will see women publicly supporting the message. This is just a no-brainer. It's hard to even imagine why this would require explanation.

Anyway, there's your answer:

MGTOW isn't for women at all, so of course they hardly show up. And more moderate, "women friendly" versions of the red pill/manosphere do involve female participants.

DearSail7885 · 2023-12-02T16:34:26+00:00

Has anyone ever once sat down and realized just how utterly unique it is there aren't really any women Manosphere or MGTOW type thinkers...anywhere?

Has anyone ever once sat down and realized just how utterly unique it is there aren't really any straight male kindergarten teachers?

Women aren't interested in learning how men bang them. It ain't that deep bro

SextupleRed · 2023-12-03T00:05:04+00:00

If you didn't see any women equivalent of RP, it just means you haven't been around long enough to be called a scrote.

I can say I was there when I see the proper equivalent of red pill for women is created, which is FDS, back in 2019.

Tailback · 2023-12-03T02:54:26+00:00

I know some former feminists now trad-con leaning red pill wives. Most of them transformed because they had sons and they saw how public schools treat (especially white) boys like shit and how they get intentionally ignored and left behind.

My younger Sister in law is a perfect example. She responds well to my energy and how I have disciplined her children in the past. My middle sister in law is a single mother with a daughter. She is still a rabid feminist commie.

symere_woods2 · 2023-12-02T14:50:00+00:00

There are. If the definition is heavily ambitious, intelligent, efficient and skilled, there are many women who govern their lives by such principles.

The difference is that they don’t self-identify as red pill or mgtow, because it’s moronic to do so.

I myself would say that I’m highly ambitious and frankly, very successful especially for my age (no it’s not a brag it’s a part of the reflection). I’d also say I do believe in some red pill principles, and disagree with others. Most red pillers would define me as a red piller based on how I live, but I disagree heavily.

The point is, many women are on self improvement, but they don’t make it a big deal. I’ve noticed a lot of red pillers (especially the new ones) think they’re the only people in the world trying to be better, ironically having an inflated ego is the opposite of progress.

I’m not a redpiller. I do however embody the important principles of the red pill to a very high degree. That’s a distinction in my opinion.

thetonybvd · 2023-12-02T14:08:45+00:00

Except for MGTOW and/or Manosphere/TRP. There are basically no women at all. How the fuck is this actually even possible at all?

Either they can agree with these movements but don't saying it loudly because of their feminist friends/family, or they didn't agree because, for example, mgtow movement is living without women, refusing to be manipulated or used by women. And these kind of women don't like when they can't manipulate a man. It's about their benefit first.

OuzoMini · 2023-12-02T16:18:47+00:00

u/throwaway-chemist pretty much hit the nail on the head, but something else that I'd like to add is that TRP is not an ideology or a social movement in any shape or form. There is no "team red pill." TRP in essence is a group of observations about the world - how they are interpreted depends upon the individual.

The ideal TRPer has never even heard of the term.

NormalAndy · 2023-12-02T13:42:46+00:00

Doesn’t matter who you vote for, the sex and porn industry rolls on.

Makes me laugh when restrictive laws are passed “to protect kids” but look at all that free porn which somehow stays pretty much freely available.

Julian Assange would be a free man if only he’d hacked Obamas gay porn stash instead of anything really damaging to US national security.

coming2grips · 2023-12-02T21:41:26+00:00

Male only groups are destroyed by the misandrists as soon as they are made.

The groups you list have maintained their structure by being strongly Anti-feminist and/or male-centric.

TornadoCreator · 2023-12-03T07:30:35+00:00

There are plenty of anti-feminist women who are sympathetic to mens issues and promote an end to the institutional misandry and demonising of masculinity that has been pushed in recent decades. I can think of at least 5 female YouTubers I personally watch who fit this bill...

...if you're finding you're at the point were there are zero woman at all, you've ventured into the sad loser part of the manosphere. The part filled with incels and misogynists who think of women as walking fleshlights. In short, you've gone too far, turn back.

Every group has its crazy extremists. What you're finding is a major red flag that says you're in an extremist echo-chamber and need to reconsider.

ArkNemesis00 · 2023-12-03T15:59:41+00:00

Except for MGTOW and/or Manosphere/TRP. There are basically no women at all.

There's a documentary called The Red Pill that's done by a female journalist.

whataccent · 2023-12-03T16:04:16+00:00

Roma Army is a female men's rights activitist on YouTube. She has crazy neck tattoos but largely calls out toxic, inconsistent women.

EZemm · 2023-12-03T19:36:20+00:00

Check out Suzanne Hindmarsh.

teachtao · 2023-12-04T02:31:04+00:00

None engage with but they all agree with it. How many women's sports subs do you follow? Same difference.

I know plenty who agree with and support the red pill perspective, but next to none of them do it publically. Every relationship I have been in was with a self-described feminist, and I immediately red pill them. Non disagree or have any argument, it's just he way it is and they all know it.

Fire_Stoic14 · 2023-12-04T03:44:51+00:00

Probably because regardless of party affiliation, women more or less, think the same way. They’re not like men, they’re group thinkers aka herd mentality.

My theory is that every woman is a feminist deep down, some women are more feminist leaning than others but every woman has a shade of feminism in her, even the most hardcore traditional Christian conservative women. It is what it is.

NocturnalBandicoot · 2023-12-09T08:22:55+00:00

As a South African, I became redpilled because the women in my life convinced me. I thought the redpill was bad this entire time, but the women in my country are quite honest with what they want when it comes to dating preferences. They have absolutely no filter (in my experience).

One thing I can say is that they wouldn't call themselves redpilled, but they most definitely agree with redpill ideas. I'm serious here. I used to be a feminist (2020 - half of 2023) until one day I was having a conversation with some female colleagues, and when I said "power can be equally distributed in a relationship". They all looked at me weirdly and laughed saying "there's no way you believe that." I was shocked because you know, they're women, and I thought they were feminists lol.

They told me women would cheat on me and use me for thinking like this. They told me that "a woman's role is to be submissive and the man should call the shots." Honestly, my whole world view changed right in that instance. I didn't have a productive day at work because I was thinking about that conversation and my beliefs, and I was only realizing how the real world is like as an adult (because since high school in 2020, I've honestly been chronically online before getting a job this year).

Certain-Woodpecker63 · 2023-12-09T21:48:01+00:00

There’s literally a red pill woman subreddit that are sympathizers of the cause

SixStringsToSanity · 2023-12-10T05:34:49+00:00

Pearlythingz is one. My teenage daughter is another ultra-based, homeschooled, pro-gender-roles, anti-ho crusader. That doesn't mean, however, that she won't go for the CC when she's older and out on her own. I think that's a powerful reason for your observation: the tendency to rationalize what feels good and makes us feel empowered. Biological imperatives, the longing for experience, and the desire for status are no joke.

Title	Something strange and inexplicable I have observed about TRP, MGTOW, Manosphere, etc.
Author	Beau_bell
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Date	December 2, 2023 1:30 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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