Suits make men more attractive, ergo let's effectively ban suits

Asoka11111 · 2015-07-02T09:28:23+00:00

As someone interning in SF, I'd say that suits were killed more by tech culture than by women looking to separate alphas from other men. The removal of suits is symbolic for an attempt to inject a whimsical, childlike air into their workplace environment. This is supposed to stimulate workplace morale, which will prompt employees to work more efficiently

1989TaylorSwift · 2015-07-02T08:32:49+00:00

Wearing properly fitted suit makes you look and feel like a champ. Wearing a suit in an atmosphere where nobody else is wearing a suit, makes you look like an overdressed dipshit.

You can look sharp and professional without a full suit. I live in the desert, a pressed button down and some nice nice slacks is more preferred because no sane person wants to wear a suit in 115 degree weather. Also, plenty of people look like morons in suits because not enough people know how to get a suit properly fitted.

AureliusThunderkok · 2015-07-02T05:20:32+00:00

Fuck I hate suits. 20+ years of wearing one 4 days per week (yay casual fridays) has crushed any enthusiasm I once had for them. I wish they were banned. It's been 90 degrees out lately, I want to wear god damn shorts.

Edit: and flip flops.

nyrp · 2015-07-02T11:50:02+00:00

I work in video production. Lots of people dress for comfort because it tends to be a lot of physical work. I always come dressed well. Not in a suit, because that would be highly inappropriate, but in a button-down shirt, good-fitting pants, and quality shoes. No matter what role I have on set, people assume I was the director. It's a good thing to note that when you dress as if you probably wouldn't be comfortable doing manual labor, people will assume you are above manual labor.

A month ago, I was on a job in the unusually low, for me, position of a mere production assistant (driving the van, getting coffee). Note that I only took this job because the client was a major men's magazine and a luxury car company. It's worth a low job just to be on set with clients that big. But I dressed like I was ready to go out for cocktails as soon the shoot was over.

I chatted with one of the crew members at lunch, the sound guy. He told me that when he first saw me, he assumed I was part of the client team, i.e. an advertising exec for the men's magazine or the luxury car, and thought it was strange that I was just a P.A. I laughed and said, no, that's just how I always dress on set, to always keep a professional attitude. Usually, I am the cinematographer or director. He told me that he would like me to work on his team, doing sound, something I don't even have the most experience with, because I looked like a guy who is capable. He said I probably knew enough that I could be trained in 2 days (which I could) and he needs people with that attitude to present well when he sends his guys on shoots.

ComradeCynic · 2015-07-02T08:07:38+00:00

One of the great things about a suit, is that it is a uniform.

Once you have it dialed in, it always looks great, and, with a glance, you can check that everything is buttoned and being worn properly.

I find "business casual" too vague and really a pain to dial in; and it can mean different things for different people. Wearing black or dark blue twill pants (like the Express for Men "Producer Pant" which is the thinnest I can go at my current fitness level), dress shoes and a button down, works 90% of the time otherwise.

needmorefat · 2015-07-02T13:00:20+00:00

You are being a whiny complainer. If the uniform of power is a suit, wear a suit. If the uniform of power is something else, wear that.

JeanValjean197o · 2015-07-02T12:43:02+00:00

I drive a truck and work as a contractor for a government agency.

When I walk into the warehouse I am usually wearing khakis and a button down shirt. I have steel toe boots on but they are polished nice.

Big deal you say? Except that only management dresses like I do. The forklift drivers, dock techs, and other truck drivers wear jeans and t-shirts and often those aren't even in good repair.

I stand out. Even though there is little chance for advancement in this company, people still respect me more because I put in that effort. When I first started dressing better about a year ago people at first thought I was one of the managers!

Now that I'm more fit I look even better in an athletic fit V-neck T-shirt with khakis. In fact, I look pretty fucking awesome since I'm doing over 300 pushups a day my chest sticks out farther than my stomach for the first time in years.

So, yeah. I totally agree about dressing better. I can't wear a suit doing some of the work I do, but I can look better than the rest and that's enough.

Im_not_lonely · 2015-07-02T13:34:47+00:00

I work with all out of shape dudes. They used to wear suits. Myself and one of the other single dudes work out religiously and have pretty good figures. We got custom suits made that fit amazingly. All the dopey older dudes in ill fitting suits stopped wearing suits. Corporate events now require ill fitting polo shirts that were made shitty.

Suit bro and I said fuck it once wore our baller custom suits to a corporate event (dressed better than our first line boss) corporate boss was loving it. Suit bro is now head presenter over front line boss. Front line boss is PISSED but fuck him and his dopey sagey polos.

vengefully_yours · 2015-07-02T11:15:08+00:00

The days I could wear suits have been rare, closest was dress blues in the military. Required to have them, but working with aircraft I rarely wore them, and never to work. Shit I've never had an office job in my life. Suits are made to make you look wider, more muscular, since I am short and very muscular I look like a brick with pinstripes in a suit. I had my blues tailored in Korea, and a couple suits too because for $150 it's dirt cheap to have clothes that fit because they were made for me. That was almost 15 years ago and I haven't worn them at all, simply because there is no need....And I look like a brick.

For you office guys suits work, for sweat equity dirty hands types they're rarely utilized, funerals, court appearance, and shit like that is all we wear them for.

My uniform is the Johnny Bravo, black t shirts and jeans, because I have the V shape already and accentuating it makes me look like a caricature.

PlanB_pedofile · 2015-07-02T18:57:52+00:00

Two ways you wear a suit...

You wear a suit because a king wears his royals. The suit indicates power and you have power.

You wear a suit because you are a drone. They are your shop rags of the corporate world. You have no power and the suit reminds you that someone else owns you.

IGoYouStayTwoAutumns · 2015-07-03T03:20:53+00:00

So I actually had a front row seat to the whole dotcom revolution (1.0) back in the late 90s and yeah, it was quite the running joke: you always knew who had the money in the room based on whoever was the most sloppily dressed... If you're in a conference room with a dozen people, and there are 11 guys in suits and one guy in shorts in flip flops, it's the guy in the flip flops who has all the money—saw this time and time again...

Of course my staff and I wrestled with this ourselves, when we were out meeting with potential investors, doing the whole VC dance etc—like, do we wear suits, go ultra casual, what? Suits, we thought, were a bit too “try hard”—like they reeked of “We’re desperate for your money, please please PLEASE give it to us!!”… But the shorts and flip flops, on the other hand, although intended to signal “We’re so wrapped up in our own work that we just don’t care how we dress”, really just (I thought) came off as asshole-ish… Like: dude, you’re basically on a “first date” with these people (the VCs you’re meeting with, or whomever)—let’s show a little respect, yes?

I agree that if you’re a coder or whatever and you’re bent over a computer all day long then a suit becomes superfluous (you can go ahead and dress purely for comfort)—but if you’re interacting with clients, trying to raise money, dealing with people etc then you have to present a certain kind of polished image, and the flip flops just don’t cut it. Bit of a tightrope really, between the formal and the casual, but we found that (when it came to actually impressing people and successfully raising money) the trick was to be fairly casual, but then to toss in one or two items that were extremely high value, just to let people know what was up…

Example: you wear the company T-shirt, a pair of ratty old ripped up jeans, comfy sneakers, and then you throw a $3,000 dollar tailored jacket on top of it all… I still remember the first time I tried out that combo—I was having drinks one evening with the CEO of another company we were thinking of merging with, and at one point (totally out of character) the guy was like “Man—that is a NICE jacket…” I shrugged and said something like “Yeah, I kinda like this one. Just got it! Impulse buy…” Take away message: we (at my company) have money and we’re not afraid to spend it on nice things we like and thus no, you’ll not be screwing us on any deals we might be talking about in the not-too-distant future…

So yeah, for the artists and entrepreneurs out there, when you’re making the rounds, showing off your work, raising money etc, try for the “casual—plus one expensive peacock item” look (a nice jacket, an expensive watch etc)—you'll get the best of both worlds with this combo for sure. (Bonus!! Works great on dates as well.)

bluedrygrass · 2015-07-02T10:43:58+00:00

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RPMahoutsukai · 2015-07-02T14:29:14+00:00

If suits and ties would go I'd say "Good Riddance!" It's an unpractical and uncomfortable set of clothes that get in a way of productive work. There's one thing when you dress well - clothes all match colors and styles, clothes fit your bodytype - and another thing when some fashion dictates you should dress in an irrational fashion - say, wear a tie which is basically a suffocation device which makes your brain get less oxygen and thus function poorly, or, wear a suit in a room where tempreature is already high, thus making you even more uncomfortable and thus work less effectively.

nigmondo · 2015-07-02T18:59:52+00:00

Who doesn't wear a suit to an interview? I've worn a suit to every fucking interview I've ever had. Thought it was an unwritten rule

DeliriousPrecarious · 2015-07-03T00:07:47+00:00

New York reporting in: We still wear suits (and no not just the investment bankers).

Also, just to be clear, most guys in suits look like their dressed for their Bar Mitzvah. You actually have to get a suit tailored to make it look good. Also if you aren't in at least reasonably good shape a suit can just make you look bigger and boxier than something more casual.

Tl:Dr - This post is kind of bullshit.

Deep_freeze202 · 2015-07-03T01:57:18+00:00

It wouldn't make much sense for people like me who do manual labor to wear a suit, and it wouldn't make much sense in my daily life either since I rarely see anyone in a suit.

3rt41 · 2015-07-03T08:08:44+00:00

I work in IT but still i like not dressing myself like an hobo.

A jacket and a shirt do wonders without appearing overdressed like for a big ceremony

herewehoagain · 2015-07-03T22:30:44+00:00

If any of you in here still have khakis, throw them all away. If you actually look good in khakis, get your ass to the gym because khakis only make bloated turds look better.

oldredder · 2015-07-04T03:32:12+00:00

suits are ugly and conformist. The reason I don't wear them is because they represent nonsense (except at a funeral) and are incredibly uncomfortable.

NEVER do I see women pining for men in suits.

I see them drooling over men wearing tight-fitting shirts or no shirt who are fit.

Worst of all: changing who you are or going against what you want just to impress women is 100% beta pussy-chasing like a beggar who's Thirstier^tm than all others.

MaLaCoiD · 2015-07-02T05:31:12+00:00

You make a very strong argument. But I'd rather we could allow whatever we want. I'll come to work in a flowery skirt and dreadlocks and we can make assumptions about each other-- but at the end of the day, I hope we both go home happy.

cover20 · 2015-07-02T12:08:08+00:00

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JohnDavidsonR · 2015-07-02T13:50:55+00:00

It really just sounds like you don't know how to dress, and are constantly around poorly dressed people. I went to private school k-8 so suits were my default until I learned what looks just as sexy. Things like henleys, unexaggerated v-necks, a WELL FITTING button down, tapered pants, wingtips (yes with any outfit), Raw denim/well fitting jeans. I used to literally have everyone know me by how well I dressed in college, and didn't wear a suit once. You have to learn the essence of a suit, and what makes it sexy. Don't make it your crutch, and don't be the one that looks weird as fuck outside of the office in plain clothes.

Jessie_James · 2015-07-02T14:46:33+00:00

I disagree. Around the 90's a study came out of Cornell University (if I recall correctly) that discussed the various health issues neckties caused, such as restricted blood flow to the brain and potential eyesight issues.

Here's a tiny article I found:

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-06-23/news/vw-10030_1_dietary-fat

Look at the date on that article.

There are others:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3104093.stm

Anyway, about that time, many companies decided to jump on the "creative" bandwagon, and allowed employees to dress more casually, hence the loss of the necktie. Naturally, the suit followed the same demise.

cheeky--kunt · 2015-07-02T16:48:32+00:00

Wearing shirt+blazer. What about ties? I hear from multiple men that ties are like leashes. Once you start weareing a tie, you are like dog leashed to his mortage. Is it true?

thenarrrowpath · 2015-07-02T17:56:41+00:00

I live in SF too and suits blow. Dark jeans, brown dress shoes and good button up is fine.

thefisherman1961 · 2015-07-02T19:38:24+00:00

San Francisco, which is the hub of poorly dressed men in the entire fucking country.

You are delusional if you believe that to be true.

Zachar1a · 2015-07-02T20:17:35+00:00

Silicon Valley engineers don't wear suits because they are inefficient. They are too much fabric and too much bother when you are just trying to cover your body. Engineers love efficiency.

2015-07-02T20:56:39+00:00

Dress for YOU, not for these women. It doesn't matter if you wear a hat, a regular shirt and sag your pants or wear suits and slacks. Dress for YOU. If you have money, these women are gonna smell it anyway. Think about it.

to_string_david · 2015-07-02T16:49:35+00:00

I agree with the most part but have you ever seen bermuda style suits. I figuratively died when I saw it for the first time.

4benny2lava0 · 2015-07-02T06:14:43+00:00

Suits are nice, they are also work. You can get the same effect with a vest.

Also women are quite receptive to me just wearing a slim fit button down and some dockers.

I 100% agree on the sneakers, wear dress shoes or boots and make sure you can see your reflection in them.

tehwankingwalruses · 2015-07-02T16:50:38+00:00

I've never owned a suit in my life. Never had a job where I had to wear more than a polo and jeans. Awesome career, made over 6 figures, slayed tons of pussy. Don't think there is anything magical about a suit.

The_BeardedGentleman · 2015-07-02T17:01:29+00:00

I hate how awkward it is wearing a suit to an interview. Everyone is wearing fucking polos and tshirts in a professional environment. Bitch I feel confident and sexy as fuck in a suit, why you gotta bring me down. Casual Fridays or whatever are the bane of my god damn existence.

Johnny10toes · 2015-07-02T13:25:42+00:00

I've got two problems here, not with the post. One I don't own a suit. Two I never know when to dress up or down. So I have a few long sleeve button down shirts and some nice jeans. I have khakis but I don't really wear them. I suppose step 1 would be buying a suit.

Hi_Tek · 2015-07-02T17:20:42+00:00

My fav look is the Denim, collar shirt and blazer look. It [to me] splits business and casual right down the middle.... Great for people who want to wear a suit and/or look good, But for whatever reason not comfortable in certain public situations

vault-penetration · 2015-07-02T19:01:21+00:00

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Lyradex · 2015-07-02T20:26:10+00:00

I fucking love suits. Unfortunately in the Midwest it tends to stand out.

Which can also be a good thing on occasion.

invader_red · 2015-07-02T20:46:34+00:00

What is this dude? Who cares how you dress lol. I wear converse, jeans and button downs, are you saying wearing a suit makes me more of a man lol? You do what makes YOU comfortable bro. You don't need to make up fake rules.

cmiovino · 2015-07-02T14:21:11+00:00

I find a properly fitted suit with a vest and nice shoes is the equivalent to a revealing, sexy mini dress and 4 inch heels on a woman. Now, as we all know, men are visual creatures, and females go more on behavior, but in terms of eye candy, suits are our equivalent.

Case in point: I 'daygame' regularly during lunch hour solo in our big city. Most men are dressed in polos and khakis. Hell, even some on my floor here at work do jeans and t-shirt now... literally. I don't wear a suit, but wear dress pants, button up collared shirt, no tie, nice shoes/belt daily. I feel it most certainly makes a difference when cold approaching. There may be a slight change in my confidence, but it's really nothing now that I've been wearing this daily for 4 years now.

Example #2: I've had numerous LTRs who have blatantly commented on my work attire or suit. "You know, you look really good in that vest and everything." If that isn't proof, I don't know what is.

Sidenote: Vests for some reason make a big difference. I guess it even ups you from just wearing a suit to wearing a proper 'outfit' in their eyes. I just like them so my dress shirts don't look as bulky with my lean build.

saraburzy · 2015-07-02T17:21:48+00:00

In the midst of my boyfriend who has graduated with two degrees looking for a job in forensics, he wasn't finding work and wanted to have a job in the mean time to save for personal expenses, loans, and the like. He later applied to work at a local credit union and although the required attire is business casual for the most part, he always wears a full suit. He started out with a cheap blazer, a 12 dollar button up shirt from Walmart, and slacks that were a few years old all tied together with shoes he had owned long enough to not remember when exactly he had gotten them. He had about four dollars to his name, but wanted to do the best he could alongside what is a charming, stern, and attractive personality.

Since then, he has of course upgraded different pieces to make a much more polished look from the shoes on his feet to the style of his hair. What remains, is him wearing a suit every single day not necessarily because of the way it empowers him, but because he interacts with hundreds of of people per day (verging on a thousand) of people in what is the busiest branch of this credit union in the capital of Texas. This is hardly news to any of you here, but there are a few things in particular in his experience working there that are noteworthy.

His boss is a middle-aged attractive gay man. I don't know him personally, but have seen him a few times. Tall, strong, generally attractive man who dresses well, drives a nice car, and has designer bags to carry gourmet lunches. He and my boyfriend have the same name and, as such, has led to a handful of interesting experiences. While his clothes are form fitting, and likely a hundred dollars more expensive, he is rarely assumed to be the manager.

When IT shows up because of server issues or power failures, they don't ask for the manager they walk in the direction of my boyfriend. Their assumptions are sanctioned by the fact that the nametag reads the name of the manager's name they were told.

Members come in and ask for who they deem Mr. NameofCreditUnion and coworkers inform him constantly of women young and old who spend a good amount of time admiring him, even with his back turned.

His appearance feeds into his confidence and women constantly bring shit tests to bring him down because he focuses on his work and appears virtually incapable of making mistakes. No imbalances in transactions, no altercations with members, just handshakes, a warm and inviting conversation, and a cordial goodbye.

They see his solid frame and think not to learn from it or alter their general carelessness, moodiness, and incompetence but to incessantly seek petty excuses to cast a negative light on him. Because the consequences of his actions are nearly always positive or benefit him, someone else has to be responsible for exposing his imperfections. The people there don't want to see him fail personally, they just want to feel better about themselves.

This is even the case with one of the women in a managerial position who has an inability to receive criticism (about her or any other issue), let alone appropriately posit a fruitful solution. He is referred to the office of his boss who has yet to hear a valid complaint. I'm thankful, for the sake of his sanity, that his primary boss is both male and collected, rational, and above the office gameplay and dirt-throwing childishness.

If he approaches the female manager with any concern, to her it's tangential and stressful because she is trying to focus on primary duties and tasks (enforcing what she is told). If he helps a coworker properly clean a machine he is ostracized because it hurt the feelings of a coworker who would 'eventually get it if you gave me a chance' after 5:30 and he is clocked out and has to wait for all coworkers to finish to be able to leave himself. The thread about female managers the other day was generally right on the money when speaking about the way in which it is a fully-charged danger zone.

Thinking on your feet and rolling with the punches is NOT something most women know how to do, because for the most part it's not what they're ever trained to do (i.e., given intrinsic value). Most are set on one goal (marrying a man or at least becoming exclusive with one) and literally once they have their prize, don't think AT ALL about the long-term. There is no "what if we divorce," or "how should I cultivate myself everyday?" it's simply, "I have already achieved my primary goal of getting a man now all I have to do is lay back and pretend this is about love and not resources." That's why women have frequent problems in managerial positions and problem-solving; they're the first to say they're going to kill themselves (female professor included on a John Oliver skit when her boyfriend leaked sexual videos of her) and they don't know what to do. The first reaction is to sulk and invite pity, not find a solution. They first want validation that they were a recipient of wrongdoing, then they will look at themselves to see if it's really them who needs to change.

Finally, in one of the weekend meetings playful certificates were awarded and he received 'best dressed' amongst a workforce of, besides two or three of them, all women. Mocking, teasing, all of it surrounding his choice to wear a full suit daily to a job that doesn't require it because it makes the interactions with the entitled, irritable, oftentimes deceptive (false checks, bills, identities, etc.) members a bit more bearable. His confidence augments every area of his work, but the women tease because it must be because he's narcissistic, gay, or unlike a normal person (all while still enjoying his company because he is humorous) that would both consider and happily engage in the judgmental-laden banter they consider conversation as endearing.

All of this effort to point out his mistakes and expose his inefficiencies to stroke their egos to the point of involving management while still making sure they ask him if he wants to join them for a few drinks after work on a Friday at the neighboring bar. They want to be seen with someone like him, but they don't want to be compared to someone like him. He laughs, politely declines, and spends his time becoming a solid, better version of himself that other people have yet to break down.

Andress1 · 2015-07-02T09:44:24+00:00

What are you talking about? Khakis and sneakers look amazing.Elegant and stylish yet not too formal. Would take that instead of the typical old businessman suit.

DogInTheBath · 2015-07-02T13:37:15+00:00

I went to school with a kid who was going for his first job at a gas station down the street. His dad told him to wear a suit for the interview and he thought his dad was nuts but did it anyways.

He said he was hired ahead of 10 other applicants at the end of the interview and told he got it because he was the only one to wear a suit.

-Universe- · 2015-07-02T17:36:28+00:00

Suits are lingerie for men

I am going to remember that.

redpillspeeddate · 2015-07-02T19:14:45+00:00

In SF as well. I find a well tailored sport coat with good dark (I prefer lucky) jeans and a French cuffed shirt hits that nice line between looking awesome and looking like a try hard. The girls notice, the audience with customers and clients notice and you co-workers notice. In the land of the fashionless the one with a bit of style is king.

I have posted a few thoughts on this with some tips:

Suiting up to fly: https://archive.is/SvF3Z Walking away when she puts in no effort: https://archive.is/6DXSC

Title	Suits make men more attractive, ergo let's effectively ban suits
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