The Red Pill, families and having kids

thewrightstuff88 · 2018-03-17T05:41:07+00:00

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Amsacrine · 2018-03-17T06:20:27+00:00

Is it possible to lay down some concepts and ideas which give you better odds for having a happy family and kids than the average beta male?

You have to have sown your oats. You need game down pat, and be able to fuck at will. But that's only the very first baby step. If you haven't gotten yourself together, and also fallen on your face a few times, marriage is a horrid idea for almost all men in this era.

But marriage as a partnership and institution is what takes a man to the next level. It's redpill, on hardmode. The stakes are so much higher, SO much higher. Fuckups are permanent, and have drastic consequences.

But the rewards are equally on another level as well. So some concepts:

You need to have yourself down as much as you can.
You need to have immature shit out of your system. Running game should be boring, and easy.
You need to realize that finding a woman to marry is a very, very difficult task and you'll need to play a numbers game, figure out how to filter like nuts.
You have to understand as much as possible the risks you'll face on the way in, and be prepared, FULLY, before you commit.

Can the red pill even apply in these circumstances or is it a case of Mitchâs purple pill?

There isn't a day that goes by where I don't still apply aspects of 'redpill' in my marriage. It's a constant thing. It's so advanced now however. Sometimes I think of what I could do if I entered another dimension, and was single and younger again with the knowledge I have now which I've gained from being married (and a long period of running game when single long before I met my wife). I would dominate everyone. I would just wreck pretty much anyone. Nothing lets you deeper into the psyche of a female than being married to her and having kids with her (if you're paying attention).

What are some unconventional but practicable ways that a man could father children and keep them in his life?

No. Children need both parents, without either a mother or father you are gimped. You shit on your kids if you're a single parent, I don't care what anyone says.

How do you reduce the risk of loosing your assets and kids in a divorce rape situation

You need to be able to do things she cannot do. If my marriage ends, and she tries to do that, she knows that I would be more than willing to go off-grid, and live in a cabin in the north somewhere, shooting deer for meat and reading books until I die. No shit. That's of course balanced with the fact that if she chooses not to, I will lay the world at her feet and have fun doing that. And this of course also means that I have to be able to give her a better life with me than she can find now with anyone else. That's important too.

How do you select an appropriate partner to have children with

This is the hardest part. But fortunately, women are literally designed to be mothers. The trick is finding someone who is balanced in some way. For me, it was finding someone who has a very rare set of peculiarities. She's much easier to maintain than maybe any other woman i've ever met. She's quite awesome. You've got to be happy with her, and to be able to be happy with that in the long term, despite changes, and also you have to give yourself some wiggle room. There is a cost for everything. The hotter the girl you pick , the harder she'll be to hold on to. The uglier the girl you pick, the less happy you'll be in the long run, knowing you could have done better.

The smarter she is, the harder you'll have to work, and the smarter you'll have to be. It goes on and on really. The best way to pick is to find someone with a low partner count, who is very attractive to you with other attributes which may make life easier. It was also very hard to get in the door due to this, and that's something else worth mentioning.

The best wives will be hard won. Very hard won. That's why they will be good. Because if they are very hard won, then they are very hard taken.

What is the plan WHEN it all goes to shit?

The nuclear option. It needs to be on the table at all times. Where I can go with ease, she cannot follow. One thing my family taught me and getting into the red pill taught me is that men have lost themselves. Part of that for me was finding out how to really survive. Off the land, with my hands.

You drop me off with almost nothing, I'm pretty sure in most places I could do fine. So that's my nuclear deterrant. Mutually assured destruction. She wants to break me? Good luck finding me. But that's where frame comes in: Even if I were unsuccessful at that, lets say, she's aware that I will not relent. I would rather burn everything than allow it to be wrenched from my hands by the government or a divorce court. Literally. I choose where that goes. Just me. No one else. Fuck I would be willing to go to jail rather than allow myself to 'lose'.

Again, that's frame. Frame is so important.

Are there any axioms such as AF:BB that we can all agree on for this topic

Who knows. All I know is this: After 10 years of just pure awesomeness in my marriage, it's clear that our evolution as a species has designed us for proper pair bonding in my eyes. I know I might get downvoted to shit, but you're not complete without a family. Sorry, you're not. There's old axioms that TRP might hate like 'behind every good man is a good woman' and I know those to be true. I have things no single man can dream of. We are in a way designed to be married. It's just that our modern society is so fucked up, that what was once very easy for many men to achieve is now quite difficult to put together. The deck is stacked against us now as men in the modern west.

But I would say this. Once you've mastered yourself to some degree, and mastered the sexual marketplace in the modern west, the only challenge left is marriage and family. What are you going to do, keep stacking up money and fucking models until you're 55? Ok, for what point? Who gets the money when you die? You WILL die someday. At 65, few hot women will fuck you right anyhow. The creation of a dynasty is really the goal if you think about it. A legacy. Children to carry on what you've learned. To be a beacon for what you are, or were.

To be part of the human tradition, and unbroken line which has carried on from the first man to you, without fail. To be part of that. To contribute something. Send a daughter out into the world who isn't fucked up. Send a son out into the world with tools you didn't get to have. To get to fuck someone incredible for years and years and years on end without ceasing. It needs to be worth it.

I can tell you, if it all goes to shit tomorrow, I have lived and set this up in such a way that it was worth every minute of it. It was a big fucking win.

If you're getting into it, make sure it's a big win. Don't go in blind.

I would actually recommend avoiding marriage if you can avoid it, because if you are able to avoid it, then you're not ready for it.

Floaty_McBoatface · 2018-03-17T03:13:00+00:00

So basically.

Be invaluable
Don't be dispensable

Essentially, become an elemental force of nature. Act recklessly, but in a strategic way. Method to the madness. Play for keeps, but know that the game will end, and death is the reward.

Ride the wave of your destruction, or be consumed by it.

Everything will hinge on frame. You essentially have to convince yourself you're a God, whilst simultaneously reminding yourself you're simply a man. A contradiction that nonetheless requires masterful execution of reaping the good whilst simultaneously removing the bad.

GreenPiller · 2018-03-17T07:02:59+00:00

Whatever happened to Enjoy The Decline? Lately a lot of guys here have been preaching the opposite, and saying things like "We can still turn this around and protect our kids!" Honestly if I ever have kids I would probably live on a farm or something, similar to what Varg Vikernes did. I don't want my kids to deal with the world's bullshit and all of the brainwashing propaganda.

hdosnxbjdjeb · 2018-03-17T01:56:37+00:00

I think the same rules apply married men as they do for unmarried men looking to get laid.

The only financial security I can think of is to get a prenuptial agreement.

The only way you maintain a marriage is to stay on top of your game. Given that life itself is unpredictable, most men will experiences highs and lows in their career and health despite their best efforts. It is at those low points that women are most likely to stray. You can attempt to select a woman with more traditional family values to decrease this risk but ultimately it’s near impossible to know for sure who will crack under pressure.

You can’t avoid girls going crazy and claiming rape or making up lies about you to try and ruin your life. That’s a major risk because there is a high probability that society will believe her and punish you unless you have real evidence against it.

Chaddeus_Rex · 2018-03-17T10:42:42+00:00

“If you really want to take this as first and foremost criterion, you would have to look for 17-19yo HB 9/10 who lives in a small village or sparsely populated rural area.”

Have you been to Asia? Have you plated or fucked many asian girls? The answer is very clear to me and it is no. In Chinese colleges they get expelled for dating. This is in the cities, not the regional areas. In regional China you run the risk of being paraded around in a cart if you fuck around. In south east asia you get either prostitutes, party girls or the western equivalent of trad cons. In the Phillipines to get a good girl you need to be approved by her parents. Asian parents (either fancy or jungle asians) watch their daughters like hawks. You really need some more experience before you comment on things you known nothing about.

“There is something vaguely BP in the above breakdown, but I can't put my finger on it.”

Don’t project on me James

cazbot · 2018-03-18T15:35:26+00:00

I'm glad you posted this. I work too much to be able to give lengthy comments on reddit, but I saved this one specifically so I could do so over the weekend. My status - happily married 14 years, with one kid, a 10-year old daughter. Nice house, great neighborhood, awesome job, even my dog is fucking perfect.

Is it possible to lay down some concepts and ideas which give you better odds for having a happy family and kids than the average beta male?

First let me point out that there are a couple of premises to this question which should be challenged first. The first premise is that a happy family is possible and the second is that having one is still a desirable goal among the multitude of other lifestyle choices. I do happen to think both of those premises are true, but I don't have any beef with people who disagree. Its subjective. Back to the question. /u/AlanDSchaefer gave the best answer already, about just being red pill to start and knowing thyself, so I'm only going to add some nuance to that. People need to understand that the whole alpha/beta thing is just a model, and like every model of the world it is wrong. It is a good model, but what makes it good is just that it is less wrong than other models. I only mention this because the model as it exists for young single guys who are still trying to figure out what they want from life or who have figured it out and are making and executing on plans to achieve those goals is different from the model guys will use if they have largely already achieved those goals, or who have set up their lives such that continued growth and achievement is almost automatic. Parts of the model for both groups will always be the same, but some parts won't.

Can the red pill even apply in these circumstances or is it a case of Mitchâs purple pill?

I don't think so. Maybe I still have BP delusions, but I don't think so. Like most guys I used to be blue pill. "THE ONE" girl for me was the one who pocketed my virginity, typical high school romance. She broke my heart of course; it was only after the break up that she referred to all those promises to be together forever as "sweet nothings". I have to thank her for starting my RP conversion before the internet even existed and before there was a lexicon applied to it. I had another close call, to the point of being engaged to my college sweetheart, but this time I broke up with her. She never understood why but I told her honestly. It was for two reasons, I didn't feel like i had enough control in the relationship and because I didn't feel like I understood women well enough yet. She of course thought that was me making up some ridiculous bullshit to hide the real reason, but it was the truth. Again I didn't have the language for it at the time, but I think these reasons will be familiar ot the RP community. Thus began my 5 year stretch of developing game. at my peak I was spinning three plates a week in grad school, all smart alpha girls too, working on post-graduate STEM degrees at our Ivy. The hottest one was the girlfriend of some other poor undergrad fucker with one-itis who came from some blue blood lineage. A minor duke. This was my time for figuring out if I really wanted to try for that family thing. The other lifestyle I seriously considered and experimented with was to be a transient drug addict somewhere warm. I couldn't knock dudes with the freedom that comes with low-income drug dealing. The problem is that I was the only person I knew who had any kind of real respect for these guys, and I couldn't find any of them who died happy. The last nail in the coffin for that lifestyle was the realization that there is a difference between fun and happiness. Giving equal time to grad school studies and spinning plates / partying all the time was fun, but it wasn't making me happy. I opted to finish grad school and get the good job, and along the way find someone who shared my goals.

What are some unconventional but practicable ways that a man could father children and keep them in his life?

The conventional way is now unconventional. I suggest trying to at least imitate the conventional way, in so far as that is possible today. To be clear, everything is all fucked up and backwards now, but maybe that's not so bad either. Listen, this is how it used to be and how it still is for 80% of the world. You are young and horny and you found someone to fuck, and they got knocked up, and society simply expected you, as a man, to take care of this woman who is now physically disabled for about 5 months, and then a small creature who is massively disabled in a variety of ways for the next 18 years or so. Rinse and repeat with the next three kids. You just sucked it up and gutted it out with the random person that lived near you. You did your best to just fucking tolerate each other til you died. Which, for a man, happened about five minutes after your youngest child moved out of the house if you were lucky. This is what defined a happy family in the past and still does for most people today. 80% of all births globally are unplanned. Most of us reading this live in a world where all of our evolved urges and the constructs of the above described civilization are highly subverted. Reliable birth control means women no longer get pregnant by the first or second guy they opt to fuck. Ubiquitous porn means guys are no longer slaves to their libido and can actually deploy their rational mind to mate choice, and lastly advanced tools now exist which have refined the sexual marketplace to unheard of degrees of efficiency. All of this is rapidly going to have an impact on human evolution. All of it subverts the ways we've evolved to pick mates with which to have babies. I think it will be OK and possibly better, but again, the conventional way now is highly unconventional.

How do you select an appropriate partner to have children with?

My advice, once you've got the job and the career path on track, find a girl with a red pill dad. That is by far the most important of all. My wife's father runs his own business and is legitimately affiliated with the NY mob. The most bad-ass fucker I know. Next you go for low n-count (I was my wife's third man ever) and looks/body/overall attractiveness is like third. I really liked the other commenters suggestion to get pre-marital counselling, because this fits one condition which ties all of the above together - make for god damn sure YOU HAVE THE SAME GOALS. Too many people get married without realizing that this is essentially a business deal, a joint venture from which both parties get something flaty unachievable by either alone. You can't think about this through the distorting lens of love or lust. In fact I would suggest that the girl you are considering marrying should not be one you are in love with. The best fit will be someone who you like, and whose company you just enjoy. Don't go for love or lust, it comes and goes. Like is far more durable. It is much easier to stay in frame with someone you like, and you won't sell yourself the bad side of this business transaction with someone you like. Again you are going for "like" at best and "tolerance" at worst, but love is for teenagers. Just like it was with all those lasting old-timey marriages.

How do you reduce the risk of loosing your assets and kids in a divorce rape situation

What is the plan WHEN it all goes to shit?

In addition to applying all of the above, never assume that you couldn't lose everything you built up in a flash tomorrow. You can reduce risk with everything I said above but you also have to have your back-up plan for owning your own happiness. Always be ready to have that shit sprung on you, and be at peace with that possibility. Don't fear it. Sometimes I force myself to daydream about unpleasant scenarios where she comes home one day and announces her lover, or maybe neither of them comes home at all after an encounter with a drunk driver. Shit happens and you move on. For me, I think I'd full-on adopt the transient lifestyle, probably as a long-distance backpacker. I'll be that old crusty dude with a thousand amazing stories on the trail that you and your friends met on that one trip out west, and by the way does anyone know where Ashley went that night? She seemed so tired the next day.

Are there any axioms such as AF:BB that we can all agree on for this topic?

I don't know, but this brings me back to my original point about the possible flaws of the model itself as applied to married men. I'm a biochemist by training, so as you might imagine procreation is a big theme in my life. Thus it has always been hard for me to ignore the fact that in nature, it is the alphas who breed and the betas who provide. The BB side of the axiom still applies in the literal sense, but in a world of reliable birth control, it is far more common that the alphas do not breed at all. Which in turn makes me ask, who in this model is really the alpha now, in modern society? All that fucking without procreating is fun, but does it make for long-term happiness without also putting in the work for the procreating part? Our nature has been subverted by our own cleverness. But would it be better to go real old school and just go a-raping in the villages over the horizon for 3-5 years until you just died in battle? Those guys were as alpha as it gets and procreated like hell, but I doubt any of them were happy. The availability and maintenance of happiness itself is yet another thing that didn't really exist in conventional relationships, and the AF:BB model doesn't do a good job of accounting for it in the context of modern relationships in my opinion.

IcebergHermit · 2018-03-17T05:15:23+00:00

âOnly the best males get to breed and pass on their genesâ?? Have you seen the single moms getting knocked up by idiots lately?? Go into any Wal Mart on the 1st of the month!

88Will88 · 2018-03-17T11:30:24+00:00

Iâm divorced and if I could do it over I would have done many things different. I think anyone who is considering marriage needs to realize âfor better or for worseâ are just words you have to say. Iâve seen a few people honor these words but most women do not including my ex wife. Here is a list of things I would recommend to anyone who is considering marriage in the future. Iâve lived though it and with my own experiences and recently swallowing TRP I hope you guys take note. 1. Do not marry a woman with children. They may be cute when they are little but they will become monsters. This should extend into LTRs too, so these women should be off limits. Trust me on this one. 2. Make sure everyone in her immediate family is stable. No alcohol, drug other issues. These things will affect your marriage. 3. She should also be free of any metal issues or past problems with drugs/alcohol. 4. Do not let her manage the finances. The best option is to have your own bank account with your own savings. Pay bills like roommates would. If you have substantial assets going in to the marriage have a pre nup signed. 5. Pay close attention to how her parents interact. If her dad is Billy Beta and her mom runs the show then this is how she thinks the world works and she will take the alpha role from the start. You will have your work cut out for you if you marry someone like this. 6. Set limits from the start. Unless you want 10 cats running around your house be honest and firm about what you will be okay when it comes to pets. 7. Do not allow her to open credit accounts without your prior knowledge. Even if they are in her name the debt will still be part of the marriage. 8. Let her know early on your thoughts on children. If you want children make sure you agree on how many and explain that once she is pregnant with the last one you will be getting a vasectomy. If she reacts negatively this is a huge red flag. 9. Maintain a savings account she is not aware of in the event things go south (50/50 chance they will). If you do find find a unicorn and never need the money then surprise her with an awesome vacation when your kids grow up and leave home. The purpose of the money will be to make sure you are covered if you need to leave the home. Trust me, it will be you leaving, not her. You will immediately need to hire the best lawyer possible to protect you interests including your relationship with your children. And unless you want to return to your parentsâ house you will need some money to rent a place while your divorce is proceeding. REMEMBER if it gets to this point turn all emotions off. It becomes all business at this point. Do not let anyone influence how you handle your affairs.

Marriage is an institution created by the government and does not have anything to do with love or commitment. You should treat it as such and by setting your own terms from the start (I recommend these 9 minimum) and you will minimize ending up with the wrong person and taken to the cleaners in a nasty divorce.

BluPillMaster-bater · 2018-03-17T14:21:17+00:00

One of my frustrations with so much redpill material (outside of Rollo and Illimited) is that there is zero material for the core, um, suckers and chumps. It's all geared to YPSs (Young Pieces of Shit), and helping a goddamn 22 year old slay. Fuck YPSs and their easy as fuck single, zero responsibility lives. You can't get laid!? HAHAHAHAHAHHAH

Ok, ok, sorry. But I've "seen the shit man" and it ain't good. I am very grateful that so many YPSs are being saved before they are doomed..

Unlike me:

Who married 20 years ago. Suffered. Put an ad out for an affair a few years ago (literally like the Escape song), got caught. Realized I hated, fucking hated my asshole bitch wife, told my daughters, "your mom and I no more" (most painful day of my life), moved out for a year, 'crushed puss,' succeeded in ways I never thought possible without that fucking bitch in my life.. and.. drum roll... moved back home when I felt like I had the clarity and strength required to upright this ship.

Every fucking day is hard.

And then, and AND ONLY THEN, did this motherfucker get redpilled. After going back.

So I redpilled 20 years too late.

I redpilled AFTER years of bland, stupid, pajama sex during my wife's best years. Sex was every 3 or 4 full moons. I redpilled after BUYING EVERYTHING. After breaking my kids hearts, after cheating on my wife, AFTER ALL OF THAT.

So some times, I read good shit like AlanDSschaefer's post in this thead, with his ideal never gonna happen bullshit like (no offense dude, still a solid post) of "master yourself" "crush puss" "Learn chicks inside and out".

I mean even the YPSs will not fall in line, because so much of real sincere redpilling requires pain and suffering to really feel how bad it is as a dickless bull pill faggot. To really know that there is no other alternative other than being redilled and having game.

All of this stuff is proactive. What to do before. Even the OP post quips, " Firstly you need to be a red pill aware man before you even attempt kids"

Yet, when I look around the battlefield of broken men and depraved women living in luxury, I see broken men, well over 30. Many with kids.

Let me tell you adults here - you can right many wrongs no matter what decisions you already made. Fuck these YPSs and their "BEFORE" bullshit. You can always win AFTER.

All of this stuff is far more critical and far important AFTER. Sure, do it before, if you're lucky to be here reading this stuff in your 20s. That is ideal. But if you're like me, in your 40s, or like my broken friends in their 50s - it's even better, even more liberating, even more intense, even more rewarding. And multiples more difficult. We also have to go it alone. Honestly, my pillar of strength is Illimited's twitter feed. I have no one to talk to around me about any of this. I can, dailly, review, reflect, and correct course for the next day. But because of what I've been through, and how much better it is now, I can tell you married guys with children, you can make it all better. Were it not for my children, I would be single. If my children were college aged, I would be single.

Again; you can take all of this material and save your marriage and keep your children well AFTER your bluepill decisions.

The-Peter-Principle · 2018-03-17T05:13:14+00:00

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maplemaximus · 2018-03-17T02:11:06+00:00

Always marry a woman from outside America and the Anglosphere. Women here are a disaster.

GayLubeOil · 2018-03-17T08:02:00+00:00

When we use the term Red Pill what we mean is full radical rejection of establishment structure. Neo fully rejects the matrix he doesn't reboot an earlier version if it.

Anyway this whole Feminist marriage thing isn't working out very well for anyone so a Red Pill marriage is a marriage that completely rejects feminism. Feminism is like a yeast infection a little feminism always leads to more feminism.

However in order to reject Feminism we must also reject all Liberalism. Feminism is liberalism performed by a woman. Liberalism is the assertion of individual rights against a collective which always leads to the destruction of the collective.

So for example the collective of segregation was destroyed by individuals asserting their liberal rights. Likewise marriage is destroyed by women asserting their individual rights against the marriage.

A Red Pill marriage is a marriage that has an anti Liberal anti Feminist philosophy so for example: Gangster Ride or Die marriage, an Indian caste arranged marriage, and finally a Tajik Kidnap a bride in a carpet marriage is anti liberal anti Feminist and therefore Red Pill.

Marriage is an absolute if you are no longer married those children are no longer yours. They are functionally disowned. That's how real marriage works. Whether or not you want to submit yourself to support payments is another question. However I personal don't belive that a true Alpha is capable of submission so your best bet is leaving the country.

TheDevilsAdvokaat · 2018-03-17T05:59:25+00:00

Really nice post.

As a married guy who only discovered trp about 6 months ago I am interested in this.

Fritz_Frauenraub · 2018-03-17T17:05:09+00:00

Without the shock of fatherhood on my comfortable life I never would have pilled to begin with.

Pre child, if you had tried to explain frame to me I would have shrugged it off as a flake concept for tryhards, losers and the type of tools who watch a lot of Tony Robbins videos.Multilevel marketers. Tophatted pickup magicians. My wife was orally compliant...what was "game" to me?

Took the kid and destruction of my sex life to learn the hard lesson: I was a man without frame.

Dream_21 · 2018-03-17T19:47:28+00:00

With (very) few possible exceptions, no man in the west should be getting a legally recognized marriage today.

In America at least, common law marriage is not recognized in most States.

Google "private marriage".

Congressmen Rand and Ron Paul have openly advocated for removing government from marriage entirely.

In the meantime, if for the purpose of family or whatever you want to "get married", just do everything... except get the government to sign off on it.

Purposefully avoid that in advance, and make everyone involved aware of it, and why. Family, friends, the woman, etc.

Have a ceremony, honeymoon, trade rings, etc. She can even take your last name for a few hundred bucks in most states.

Hard to get divorce raped when you never get the government to legally recognize your marriage in the first place. I speak from experience.

tteabag2591 · 2018-03-17T04:35:13+00:00

You don't have to marry to have a family.

mrdoubleornothing · 2018-03-17T13:14:03+00:00

I have a kid, but never married.

I'm not divorced per se, but that's just a matter of formality. In practice, I am. The single most important thing I have learned after seven years of having kids is this:

Keep a healthy relationship with the mother.

Do not resent her. Do not hate her. Do not provoke her. Keep er happy and content in order to maintain cooperation. This may sound really beta, but when you have a kid together you have NOTHING to gain from a hostile relationship with the mother. And the only ones who will suffer, is your kid(s). Also, the amount of things she can fuck you over with if you're not "nice"... jesus christ I don't even want to think about it. She's a landmine of shit just waiting for you to make the wrong step. I've found out that the easiest and best way to achieve this is to apply the normal TRP stuff as you usually do, just in a platonic context. Don't talk about sex, don't touch her, but keep a smart mouth towards her and be a fucking man. The latter also applies towards your kid(s), and she'll tolerate a lot of shit as long as she sees you as a capable parent. It's embedded in her insticts to keep you on the good side of things if she sees you can handle your kid(s) in a good way.

By maintaining this I have a decent and stress-free relationship with her and having a kid "on the side" isn't causing me any pains or issues.

Wolveryn · 2018-03-17T12:15:11+00:00

I would say, you have to want a family so much, you're prepared for the strife of a wife.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_-K66UAjbE

iknowthewhey · 2018-03-17T12:42:16+00:00

After reading TRP, this topic is the most confusing I have dealt with. I think the only way to have a happy marriage would be to have side plates. All my time in an LTR I tried to figure out why I have never been able to be completely satisfied in one. The answer is in fact that humans are not monogamous. Men of higher status cannot be happy when they know they are turning down several girls just to have one girl at home.

I don't understand the want for a family anymore. I look at it as a bluepill lie fed to keep society rolling. I have no desire for kids or a family anymore. I don't see the reward in it and the freedom abandoned seems to be soul-crushing.

AlexCarlin · 2018-03-17T18:31:55+00:00

I will say this but keep in mind I have no wife/children so this is just something that I think should be noted. Most people come here to learn to attract women and the most important lesson you can learn is there are no consequenfes for failure. If you approach a girl and get rejected it doesnât matter. There are plenty of other girls so you can fuck up 50 times in a row and still have a perfectly clean slate. Kids arenât like this. You canât just throw them away and start over. You need to be completely ready before you even begin to CONSIDER having children.

Arty777 · 2018-03-17T01:29:34+00:00

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88Will88 · 2018-03-19T01:43:39+00:00

I don’t think surrogacy is a viable option, it is illegal in most countries and deprives a child of their birth mother. I will cover this in my post, the key is to be ready and willing to deal with a divorce. It does not hurt as much if you expect it and prepare for it. Maybe it is you who decides when to pull the plug.

neso225 · 2018-03-17T14:54:44+00:00

So you're ok if yoy have a family and you and your wife get to fuck with other induviduals ?

thunderbeyond · 2018-03-19T06:06:28+00:00

Will I saw this post when it first went up and was intrigued that you hadn't started at MRP.

I am much more involved there as I thought basically you RP if you're single, and hit MRP if you found RP after getting hitched*. But I lurk on this sub because the messages are clear and universal, more themes explored, good discussions.

I had no idea how many RP subscribers are married, active here and not on MRP...

The comments received have been quality, and there are obviously many many more opinions here than on MRP (subscriptions higher here and more diversity in commenters IMO). Makes sense why you did post here...

If I have any input I'll let you know, regardless I'm looking forward to your next post on this.

RPInjectionToTheVein · 2018-03-20T15:10:15+00:00

I plan on getting married religiously, not legally. To me the spirituality matters a helluva lot more than having the system recognize that I am married.

I get to hopefully have an organic household for my offspring to live in, I'm giving this beast system, and her, a lot less power over me.

Plus if I do manage to find a trad Orthodox chick from eastern Europe who would own nothing upon coming to America I could mitigate AWALT to to my favor. Wheras we don't have societal laws to strictly punish whorery anymore she would be a lot less inclined to take the risk of hypergamy in the first place.

CrispyDeetz · 2018-03-17T20:48:06+00:00

Have children with multiple women and expect some of those women will withhold your children from you. Hopefully some don't. There you get to be a parent. Happy? As in blue pill happy? No.

re4d3 · 2018-03-17T08:46:24+00:00

To maximize your chances, you need to marry young virgin. To perpetuate this scheme, you need to supervise your own daughters to get married young and virgins. There is no other way around, like it or downvote it. Buy then you cannot live the 20's lifestyle, if young girls are either guarded by fathers, or married and faithful to their husbands.

robatusf · 2018-03-17T05:47:59+00:00

Well over 50% of marriages end in death. See this NYT article and this Psych Today article. Perhaps this just shows that there are no happy endings, but it's surely a relevant fact!

Title	The Red Pill, families and having kids
Author	88Will88
Upvotes	201
Comments	178
Date	March 17, 2018 1:07 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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