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Title: "Our Sexual Assault Problem Is Nuanced, Layered, And Not Easily Solved By A Hashtag" - A woman who almost gets it. Thought you guys might like this article.

FortunateBum

May 29, 2014
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Title Title: "Our Sexual Assault Problem Is Nuanced, Layered, And Not Easily Solved By A Hashtag" - A woman who almost gets it. Thought you guys might like this article.
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FortunateBum

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Date May 29, 2014 6:17 PM UTC
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[–][deleted] 62 points63 points64 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

When a man chases us down the street and we’re attracted to him, it’s sweet. When a man chases us down the street and we’re not attracted to him, it’s harassment.

Preach on.

[–]loin_fruit28 points29 points30 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

FINALLY! I've been saying this for years how stupid it is girls complain about cat calling. It's not the cat calling they're upset about, they're upset cause it isn't Justin Timberlake doing it.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan21 points22 points23 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy cries when the lesser men have the audacity.

[–]plasticsleeper -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it can also be translate into

"when my bf/some guy I met/seeing does it/someone I'm not scared of, it's cute. when someone I don't know does it I'm like wtf" which is fair, and does happen

[–]culofiesta 46 points47 points48 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I went to see X Men: Days of Future Past last night and before the movie starts, after the commercials and ads, I was forced to watch a bunch of celebrities tell me not to rape women.

Thank you, Benicio Del Toro, because of this ad I am forced to watch, I won't be raping anyone while watching the movie.

This is what it has come to, overpaid men objectified for their looks telling people there to see what is essentially a kid's movie, not to rape women. Then they wonder why people don't take this shit seriously.

[–]purplecup2816 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I raped X men by torrenting the CAM

[–]culofiesta 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't blame you, there are few movies good enough to see in theaters anymore. This one was one of them.

[–]TRP-Talk5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's rich considering the director of the movie is allegedly a monstrous degenerate in his private life

[–]culofiesta 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point. Of course it's men and boys being drugged and raped in that situation so who gives a fuck?

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea27 points28 points29 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Surprisingly lucid commentary on her part. The fact that she grew up predominantly around men (brother and father) likely means she got insight into the male perspective that most women don't. I doubt most women will see things this clearly.

Incidentally, this is why men need strong male friends. You can almost never expect a woman to understand how difficult it is to be a man. They'll simply look down on you. Any attempt at expressing it comes across as weakness. A group of strong, like-minded men is what every boy needs growing up.

[–]Aldovar13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I'm assuming the point she's missing is that men aren't allowed to express their masculinity either?

[–]FortunateBum[S] 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I feel like she doesn't quite get it because she's still working within a feminist framework. An idea that we're born a blank slate and if we simply provide the right education all these problems will go away.

At least she is very close to accurately seeing gender relations from a man's POV. Which is something I don't think many women are capable.

[–]cat-tasrophic5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

blank slate

After a conversation with a feminist the other day, I don't think it's a "blank slate" issue.

Most people (feminists included) readily agree to the fact that there's heavy biological and hormonal influence in human behavior. However, the driving point for my feminist friend was that humans "have the cognitive ability to transcend their primal desires."

That theory is more reasonable (though still ridiculous) as it doesn't completely shit on nature versus nurture. It also works with the rest of the progressive movement as we move away from old, antiquated behaviors and towards an open future where we are constantly becoming better and more accepting human beings. A world where nobody is hungry, everyone can do anything with enough hope and opportunity, and biological needs don't play a part.

[–]FortunateBum[S] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"have the cognitive ability to transcend their primal desires."

Personally I see that as the same argument as the blank slate. If we can "transcend" our nature, then nature is irrelevant.

I guess it's good that they at least acknowledge there are biological predispositions. But no, I don't believe they can be overcome. Isn't that the point of TRP?

[–]cat-tasrophic15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think there's a big difference that will eventually play an important role in feminism. And here's how.

If it's truly a blank slate, that means the leaders are responsible for instilling values into new humans. That means when brainwashing fails and we still get abusive men, it was a result of the mother who raised him (or more likely, it was a result of the abusive man that was still somewhat involved in the kid's life. But when fathers are 100% removed, it will still point hamsters in the direction of option number two...)

If men are biologically predisposed to these behaviors and they are recurrent in future generations, it's simply a matter of unable to overcome suppressing the behaviors due to the nature of the gender, and thus there's no way for it to be the mother's fault.

Much in the same way when women raise dogs with no discipline. You never hear women say "I am terrible at making sure my dog follows my orders." It's always about blaming the inborn traits of the dog: "the breed is too hyper, too active, too aggressive" etc.

If we can "transcend" our nature, then nature is irrelevant.

This statement is false. Think about your fight or flight mechanism. Most likely it's kicking in full force when you're about to delivery a public speech. But there's no reason for you to be afraid, you are not actually in danger. To deliver a better speech, you must transcend some of the physiological changes occurring during fight or flight.

Though, as you can probably imagine, fight or flight is still very important in dangerous circumstances, even if you do try to transcend it in others.

One more note on the distinction...

The distinction between blank slate and primal behavior is an important one to make and to reinforce when educating people who may not understand the dynamics. A lot of people on TRP say "you can't unplug everybody," which is true. But unless you're going to sit back and do absolutely nothing to let the wave of feminism spread further across Western society, you can do your small part by emphasizing this distinction.

Which leads me to this tangent...

Blacks in the 1800's didn't go vote themselves out of slavery (they couldn't vote). Women in the 1900's didn't go vote themselves the right to vote (they couldn't vote either). It was not a woman who affirmative-action-hired the first woman in a "man's" workplace. What's my point here? In the fight for "equality" you need a group of peopling pulling the "lower" group into equality.

Woman might be feeling really empowered in this decade, but it was men who got them there. And we got them there by being silent. By refusing to correct the bullshit and lies.

In relating this back to blank slate vs human nature, here's my key point. Every time that the distinction is not made, feminism intensifies. Every time a woman hopes to rid the human race of primal desire, feminism intensifies. All people need to be reminded that without primal desires, humans would not be able to eat, sleep, reproduce, or even otherwise survive. A cat is never taught that he should not rape. But you best believe that's what the barbs on their penis are for. Without primal desires, cats would have died out long ago.

If we don't stand up against the misinformation, who will? The women? Certainly not. That distinction is huge. It's up to us to spread the word and tell people the truth.

tl;dr: We are biological predisposed to these behaviors, and we have to be.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That was an excellent comment.

The war on what you call natural primal desires is the entire point of Feminism and similar movements. It's not a women's movement, at bottom, it's misanthropic pervesion that wants to remake the whole human species in its own "Satanic" image.

Everything unnatural you can imagine, we're doing it now and are supposed to be liking it, because Feminism.

[–]1InscrutablePUA6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that's the main problem with her advice to be expressive and open with feelings. Women are generally not turned on by male emotional displays except maybe anger in certain contexts.

[–][deleted] 2 points2 points2 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]submortimer0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think it's that, I think it's more that it's a whole chunk of our emotional spectrum that society tries to cauterize; that we, as men, are "allowed" to be as aggressive and dominant and competitive as we want, and "not allowed" to have any other feelings, because then we are "weak".

Emotions, in any context, are valid and true, even if the reason you have them is irrational. I'm male, sometimes things make me want to cry. I do not feel that i have to hide that beneath a veneer of bravado. I don't particularly care if a woman is turned on by my emotions, I'm healthier and happier being able to express them, whatever they are. More people should be able to feel the same way and not be ostracized for it.

[–]greycloud249 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

its a rare occasion that i agree with a self labeled feminist. if she was the face of the feminist movement i would consider labeling myself as one. until the political ones get their heads on strait i will be calling myself an egalitarian.

[–]swimtaculariousness 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think the feminist leaders will ever change their views. They make money/have power based off of having followers, and they only have followers if their followers think they need what they are selling. If they tell their followers that they aren't really outright victims and men aren't really terrible animals, then they would lose followers and all that dough, power, and attention that comes with it.

[–]1InscrutablePUA4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good find. Very idealistic in her advice to be shamelessly open and expressive (I think we all know that women are not turned on by that in the slightest) but handles both sides of the issues quite deftly. She also seems to grasp better than most women out there what it is like to live as a man and the constant pressures that a man faces.

[–]B_Campbell4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are supposed to initiate a date, talk to you first, ask you out,

Good point on expectations. Men are expected to initiate but then if the woman wasn't interested, you're now painted as a harasser.

[–]3trplurker3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good narrative and closer then any other feminist has come so far. She's still stuck on the "we need to teach men to express feelings" train and doesn't quite understand that the ones doing the teaching are women's sexual desires. Men act the way they do because they are taught that is what women respond to. If you want to change the actions of men, you first need to change what women are sexually attracted to and limit her natural desires. You know, what our grandfathers and great grandfathers did in era of "patriarchy".

Good luck getting any entitled women

[–]SariaLystra 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem occurred because men have been taught to seek female approval because of life-long male shaming? Let's shame men some more!

Women logic.

[–]Talkshitgethit2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think this is the first time I've actually agreed with an author on Thoughtcatalog that wasn't Anne Gus.

Long, but the message gets across appropriately.

[–]Paranoidexboyfriend2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone should post this to twox, see how quickly it gets deleted before it spreads.

[–]psychologyprofessor1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are not monsters and she gets that. Thanks for the post.

[–]dropit_reborn2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's good, and has a much more clear-eyed picture of things as they stand, but notice that despite her (understandable) call for action over talking, she doesn't have much concrete action to suggest. This is not a criticism of her, because I don't think there's much women can do (aside from refraining from slutting it up. But that doesn't spread so well).

Real change will come from men. It is men who could have helped Rodger if he'd found them, it is men who will set examples, it is men who have the ultimate decision as to how attractive they will be.

[–]tsotha 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It is men who could have helped Rodger if he'd found them...

Rodger was an nut who couldn't be helped by nearly an entire lifetime of therapy. It's unlikely anything short of incarceration could have forestalled what happened in IV. I see that everyone wants to fit him into their world view, with the feminists blaming white men, the gun control people blaming guns, and even RP guys blaming feminists.

As Chris Rock asks, "whatever happened to 'crazy'?". If a psycho kills someone and tells the cops he was ordered to do it by a pink elephant we don't go on an elephant hunt.

[–]dropit_reborn0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. You're right. There's no real way around it.

[–]malignantbacon0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For those who are unaware: Rodger actually was getting help (for lack of better terms) and had been checked up on multiple times. Problem is, nothing anyone did made a difference in the ultimate outcome. I can't speak for what therapy and other action might have done for his mental state but I'd say probably not much.

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