TRP is a safe space

TissueDealer · 2016-11-12T20:05:41+00:00

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What is this?

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HumanSockPuppet · 2016-11-12T21:24:17+00:00

This is a "safe space" for ideas, not for feelings.

This is the only place where men are allowed to discuss real social and sexual dynamics in the language of straight-talk without being censored. That's the point of this community.

The ultimate benefit of TRP is that we re-train men to understand and accept the cold indifference of the universe, and to prepare themselves to compete in a world that exploits them instead of incentivizing them. And that can only be accomplished if no subject is off limits.

_the_shape_ · 2016-11-12T21:39:55+00:00

The general purpose of the platforms is the same, these are places for people with "non traditional" views and social experiences to vent, criticism free, in a safe space.

Strongly disagree right there: here at TRP, we will slap you upside the head (figuratively speaking, of course) for backsliding toward beta behavior. TRP is not one big digital cradle where you get a warm knitted blanket and your head stroked repeatedly to help you cope with the cold, mean World out there.

We will let you know that you're acting like a complete bitch, that you killed your chances (with her) by supplicating, that you'll die a virgin if you stick to your cavernous ways, playing WOW day and night, fat and unemployed. We will grill you for not lifting, for hamstering up reasons why porn is great, for not giving your best in life.

A safe space embraces the complete opposite - ("here, you can be the biggest, most pathetic, laziest, cowardly, petulant little bitch, you can double and triple down on all of those characteristics, tell us ad nauseam how cruel and unfair the World is, and we'll always be here to agree with you")

fydorm · 2016-11-12T21:43:32+00:00

I'm afraid you have them confused with MensRights

Pewdielockz · 2016-11-12T20:26:54+00:00

A safe space isn't that bad to some extent. If you take your home as example. This is a place where I can study, learn, train, and shape everything like I want, unaffected by other people and their way of "this and this should be like this, not like this".

The difference is that at trp you are not alone. I have to admit I'm way more on trp than I should. But I'm not here to let this board change my view at the world just because somebody wrote it. I'm using the (sometimes) valuable information to develop my world view. Communicating with people who are of your opinion isn't bad, as long as you still try to understand the other side.

snakehayter · 2016-11-13T02:09:58+00:00

Not this centralist bullshit again.

Were not two sides of the same coin, SJWs are all about ignoring the objective facts and prefer looking through life with an emotional bias as opposed to being pragmatic, because the truth doesn't coincide with political correctness.

SJWs operate on moral relativism, which has clearly proven to drive people to failure like the fat acceptance movement or communism, but its so effective because it sounds easier and more comforting. We tell people the truth that they don't want to hear. If you follow a fad diet, it will enable you to eat fatty foods and do minimal exercise with slow ass results. If you talk to Bodybuilder or some kind of other fitness expert, he will tell you to make difficult lifestyle changes.

Other key differences are the fact that we are relatively tiny in numbers compared to SJWs who have the entire media and social media establishment on their side as a giant safe space, while they demonize and censor us.

I don't necessarily want to be right about things like traditional society being in decline, or the grim reality of women's true nature and standards. So if were just as credible as the SJWs, then show me the objective facts proving this whole movement wrong.

RP-Doctor · 2016-11-13T03:36:44+00:00

TRP is not what it used to be. TRP today had become a mix of PUA and male-SJW.

At it origins TEP was about defining masculinity in the 20th century and forward, which meant:

Take care of your body by lifting and eat healthy
Take care of your mind by reading, pursuing your interests and passions, and possibly meditating
Develop the career of your drams, don't settle for just a job
Develop your social circle, be a leader or other leasers
Lastly: have fun by spinning plates. Women are a nice addition to a man's life but not the main interest and surely not the only one; do all of the above and women will be naturally attracted to you, no need for seduction.

At the same time TRP presented reality for what it is, women attitude toward sex, relationship, marriage and money; and with that information each one of us an make their own choices.

Call me a fundamentalist if you will, but to me that is the true philosophy of TRP. Safe Place? Nope, I don't need a safe place I can take care of myself. Social conspiracy? We are a silent majority against a very vocal minority, Trump's election validates this point.

Cherry picking statistics? Not really, getting married is a very bad deal for all guys, you want to do it? Go ahead, TRP opens your eyes to the perils of marriage today.

parkthebus11 · 2016-11-12T20:32:37+00:00

Very interesting post. People all too often look at this as black and white. IE we're right about everything and they're wrong about everything.

2comment · 2016-11-12T22:30:40+00:00

Then self-titled moderate places are a safe space as well, as long as your ideas are lukewarm you're fine... which means close to relatively anyone else's in that place.

This is why we have revolutions, even in the sciences, because sometimes an extreme but factually correct argument sometimes comes along (out of the hundreds or thousands of crank ideas) but rubs everyone in the established area the wrong way.

Maybe this is just the tribal nature of human groups. Like-minded people bond together over their similarities and keep outsiders (and their ideas) out. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

In TRP's defense, once I think it's fuller of bullshit than value, I'll leave.

88Will88 · 2016-11-13T01:38:23+00:00

This post is horseshit and I cannot believe it is being upvoted. You are conflating MRA with TRP, they are not the same. We have diversity, criticism of each other, differing view points. The SJW and feminists are just an echo chamber of feelz. You do have some reasonable points, the safe space in here does let a lot of wounded betas come in, circle jerk and moan about how the world is against them. However you do not have a focus on self improvement or sexual strategy in SJW groups. TRP is a toolbox, not a cult. We have some members who would like it to be a cult (yes u/Neoreactionsafe I am looking at you) but it is not uniform like it is in SJW groups. You are cherrypicking to find similarities. We also argue in here, it is like a bear pit sometimes and that is a good thing.

By the way, anyone who has upvoted this post should be fucking banned from TRP for life. I am glad the post is still up because it is exactly the sort of errant thought that should be called out as bullshit. This sub has plenty of problems, but it is nothing like feminism or SJW groups. It is like the punk rock movement in the UK, it was anti-fashion, you cannot say punk rock is the same as glam metal. Punk arose to destroy things, not to become a version of the thing that they hated. You have completely misunderstood TRP. I am concerned for this sub when there is internal rot. I am so sick of u/Neoreactionsafe 's droning conspiracy theory bullshit. I am sick of whiny butthurt betas thinking women are hellspawn who are out to trick them. I am sick of lots of the stupid bullshit I read in here. The fact that all of that annoying shit is here disproves your assertion. TRP and feminism are not two sides of the same coin. So I am glad your post has remained but I hope the mods ban your ass.

TheRealMewt · 2016-11-13T02:53:36+00:00

"Safe space" and "Topical discussion board" aren't always synonymous. I can't picture this as a safe space since this community won't hesitate to offer you tough love - you'll get advice and you'll get theory backed by examples, but you'll also get called a fucking faggot who needs to get his balls back if you're making excuses on why you're not going to be the best man and biggest sexual dynamo you can possibly be. To me, that's what separates this place from safe spaces. In a safe space, nobody is allowed to tell you that you're fucking up.

ReddittFeist · 2016-11-13T04:56:06+00:00

Sheesh. Need to call BS on this entire post

First, a bit of 2x4 therapy to the side of the head:

You are completely fukkin deluded, man!

Don't have time to do a sentence-by-sentence rebuttal, and it's pretty clear from your replies that you're emotionally committed to this material you've posted, rather than willing to learn.

Others might enjoy thinking about some of the following concepts, though, so, onward:

you always have to be the underdog

SJW's love their victim status, because "fighting against oppression" is what fuels their fantasies, but the Red Pill is not about being some underdog.

Actually, what The Red Pill is about is becoming the Alpha Dog of the Pack!

Some guys do it, some guys around here just mentally masturbate and Keyboard Jockey, but there's no question that a guy who's not moving to become dominant, attractive and successful is a RP pseud and a fraud.

People who are socially well established usually don't seek views beyond the normal spectrum

This is a BS assertion that doesn't jibe with my experience. Many of the most successful people got to where they are by rejecting crap and misinformation they were dished in the past and taking charge of their lives.

Believe that there is a grand social conspiracy against them, that they are the minority fighting against patriarchy or feminism

Political feminists get into the theories of patriarchy and MRAs are into the theory that feminism is the root of all evil and needs to be fought against politically, but there is something very fundamentally different between SJWs and Ped Pillers (both male and female) that puts them at opposite poles of humanity.

Here it is: SJWs adhere to quasi-religious belief in determinism while Red Pillers believe in free will

Think about the term "social justice" for a minute.

SJW believe that, since our environment determines who we are, when someone is poor, or criminal or depressed, or some other bad thing, it is because society was "unjust" to them. "Hatred" "microaggressions" "____phobia" "discrimination" or whatever imaginary "bad thing du jour" goes on in society "made them that way," according to SJW belief.

Conversely, when you're a good person and having a good life, society made you that way, because you were a member of a "privileged group"

The way SJWs boost their self esteem and feel valuable is by White Knighting. They like to picture themselves as valiant fighters for a society where every person is molded into a good person.

Of course, what this means is, that since they know what has to be done to provide this "socially just" environment, they need to control all the information people get, and they need to shut down the "unjust behavior" of those ignorant creeps who refuse to agree with them. This is where the tendency of SJWs to utilize deception, propaganda, doxxing, swatting, and other shit comes from.

OTOH, the Red Pill is all about recognizing that people need to be inspired not indoctrinated, or "molded by society."

As long as a Red Piller has the information he needs, as opposed to misinformation gotten from those who are deluded, or would manipulate him, he can take action of his own free will to change his life for the better. And nobody, and no thing such as society, will do it for him.

Many guys do make the changes, some don't, but the essence of the Red Pill couldn't be more different from SJWism.

and BTW. Just because you see morons on here hamstering and KJing and spouting BS about "golden ages from the past" doesn't mean that's what the Red Pill is about.

Learn to think for yourself, man. And then Get inspired!

JackGetsIt · 2016-11-12T22:49:16+00:00

No it's not. Safe spaces in their current iteration on college campuses are places where people can hide from logic and criticism. Logic and criticism will always be welcome here. Safe spaces were originally places for students or employees to go where they would not be physically abused or legitimately harassed for their sexual orientation. In the late 80s early 90's there 'might' have been some need for these spaces. What they've morphed into is bizarre.

Journalist Conor Friedersdorf criticized the use of outdoor safe spaces to block press coverage of student protests. According to Friedersdorf, such uses reverse the intent of safe spaces: "This behavior is a kind of safe-baiting: using intimidation or initiating physical aggression to violate someone’s rights, then acting like your target is making you unsafe."

pedler · 2016-11-13T00:39:43+00:00

This post is stupid and you should feel stupid. I barely even go on TRP anymore, but it couldn't be more different than SJW safe spaces.unlike Tumblr It doesn't confirm what you think is true, it is more of a sledgehammer to the head, in that it breaks down your fantasy about girls to bring you into the reality, which is as the subreddit title sugests a bitter pill to swallow.

Pirozhki · 2016-11-13T02:25:54+00:00

Another one of those posts that claims groups are wrong because of the ideas they have, and not the reasoning behind them.

Believe that there is a grand social conspiracy against them,

Ok. So? That's not an impossible scenario. The feminists think that men spreading their legs are proof of this. Obviously that's insane. We think that false naratives like the wage gap and extremely anti-male divorce laws are proof of this. I think that those are quite compelling.

It's the same as saying "Group X says the earth goes around the sun, and Group Y says the sun goes around the earth. They are similar, yet oppositional ideas therefore they are both wrong."

Linoran · 2016-11-13T05:22:34+00:00

Main difference: TRP works, SJW doesn't.

vengefully_yours · 2016-11-13T05:42:50+00:00

For both, seeing things as simply a power struggle of conflicting interests isn't enough, you always have to be the underdog.

That is something people do, they want to justify their anger with the idea they're maligned or downtrodden. Victim Olympics is the result. The more experienced men here realize we are not victims, despite people misleading us in our youth or for our entire lives. You don't have to believe what people tell you, you can find the answer yourself. Everyone gets fucked over by someone, a few have it happen rather often. Doesn't mean you get a victim mentality where you whine about how the world is against you. Sure, you can get that attitude, but you don't have to. I endured a world of shit for years, and while neck deep I built myself to take the abuse and overcame it. That's not a victim or underdog mentality, that's the way men are supposed to function. Those who are still in the victim train of thought simpky haven't built themselves enough to turn the attackers into victims. Some never will.

People who are socially well established usually don't seek views beyond the normal spectrum, other than to entertain themselves.

This may be true. There's an important point you're missing. Leaders, especially the brilliant and highly capable rarely "fit in" and find themselves on the outside of norms that the rest conform to. Outside the box thought and impulsive curiosity is how great things happen. Those who fit in rarely stand out, they're lost in the crowd.

If you've been in the military, these are obvious to you. You can rarely pick out individuals in a formation on the move, but the leaders stand out. You're taught not to have the victim mentality, but to do your job and survive as long as possible to continue doing your job. Winners are not victims. You soon learn it's usually not personal when you're fucked with and you gtfbtw. When it is personal, you know if immediately.

You're not wrong, but you are missing the main component that differentiates men from boys and girls. You assume that the men here are fat losers, like the embittered sjws. Not entirely accurate. Yes we have them, but what we mainly have is men who realize that speaking your mind in this environment (USA and UK) can get you unemployed immediately. Even if you're 100% right, they'll still try to fry you, because you pointed out the elephant in the room. Yes it's supposed to be a safe place to speak freely in a world where that ability is being whittled down, actually by those who want society to change to fit them.

Want to know what causes the victim mentality? Self loathing.

GayLubeOil · 2016-11-12T21:03:45+00:00

First off there is a grand social conspiracy against men, it's called Feminism. It's very real and if you read Dworkin and understand what the Frankfurt School you would know TRP isn't making up anything new. Its showing you the Feminists final goal by simplifying everything into half Retarded Bro speach that your autistic ADHD mind can understand.

The Red Pills belief that the masses are Sheeple is nothing new either that line of reasoning has been around since Plato and his Allegory of The Cave. Tell me do you consider Plato an Edge Lord Nerd Masterbator, a conspiracy theorists or an SJW? Next if you need any validation of the Sheeple claim let I remind you that 47% of the American population voted for Hillary Clinton one if the most corrupt politicians in history because she manipulated their emotions.

Next I will be the first to tell you that TRP isn't a safe space because despite being a celebrated member of this community every one of my posts has people disagreeing and attacking me. That kind of shit doesn't happen at blue pill, feminist blogs or whatever other liberal hive mind you can think of. TRP isn't a safe space for that reason alone.

Finally lere explain to you how you arrived at this retarded conclusion. Your liberal Cuck professor taught you horseshoe theory. You memorized that shit or absorbed it from somewhere else. It bubbled in your mind untill you regurgitated it here without closely examining the facts.

So if this post does get removed it's because you are regurgitating Liberal Cuckoldry without fully understanding what you are talking about.

Mr-charming · 2016-11-13T00:36:44+00:00

Do you feel good now? Spewing out your philosophical discovery? Concern troll harder faggot

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bur_ner_ · 2016-11-12T23:40:13+00:00

I used to be a male feminist before finding TRP. For a real man (Doesn't matter if gay or straight), SJW/Feminist circles are not safe spaces. My natural instincts and ideas cannot be expressed openly in those environments.

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RedsideoftheMoon · 2016-11-13T01:04:52+00:00

I am positive there are tons of high status, good looking, non "loser" men in this community, and not just the leaders. Some may have gotten there from loserville via TRP, BUT I'm sure many of us were already successful or accomplished in ways.

Many men find TRP after a hardship (divorce rape, bad breakup, generally being fucked over by our own beta tendencies). Some use it to heal, some use it to reach new heights. There are no limits to how much you can improve yourself. TRP focuses on hard work, dedication, and self improvement, not being entitled or being "more equal."

WASPandNOTsorry · 2016-11-13T03:33:47+00:00

All in all a really good post, I always welcome criticism. I'm not a very active TRP poster and I don't even subscribe to some of the most commonly held views here.

The only difference that I can see is that there is not really any other platform to discuss these ideas in. You'd get fired if you brought it up at work, ostracized if you brought it up with friends and banned if you brought it up on the front-page of reddit. I think the bottom line difference between TRP and SJWs is that we're not trying to enforce arbitrary rules on people. We're attempting to see the world for what it is and react to it. Whether or not you agree with the world view on this forum is another point. Personally, I agree with some of it and disagree with other parts of it. I've never found this forum to be a place that tries to silence dissent.

JJMcgray · 2016-11-13T07:27:36+00:00

I disagree. While there are similarities, it is in the same way that a DNC rally is the same as an RNC rally. Both have people and both are rallying for someone.

Here, we all don't agree. Despite us having the same general desires, we all have our own opinions.

Here, you don't get a post deleted cause you agree with feminism.
You don't simply buy everything that sides with your opinion,even if the end result seems teller same.
You don't ignore reality here.
You don't dwell on how things SHOULD work.

Here. We just share info and discuss shit. Like sane people do.

To say that this place is the same as an SJW safe space is saying I am like an SJW. Like we will ban people because they are women or gay or not white.

We don't do that. We don't do any of that.

mummersfarce_is_done · 2016-11-12T21:49:02+00:00

This post triggered my PTSD.

TermsOfColors · 2016-11-12T22:38:41+00:00

I don't know any SJW websites. I never looked at Reddit before I found this sub. I stumbled across it because I had a question about Tinder.

The reason I look at TRP now and again is because while there is a lot of truth on here, there's also a lot of bullshit. it makes for good entertainment.

As far as safe spaces go, I can't think of one place on the internet that's not "safe".

rpredneck · 2016-11-12T23:38:10+00:00

This does not meet the "safe space" definition in any way, shape or form. There's a difference between a safe space and a "safe space."

LAERAYALP · 2016-11-13T00:26:46+00:00

Trp is a translator for me, it helps understand. I have always knew that there is something wrong, with everything. The world could be a magical place, but but but it is fucking not. Everytime I stood up to the system, I got shot down from all fucking angels, fucking ALARM! This fucking guy here does not conform! Fuck him in the ass ! I tried this and I tried that, but I never knew why. Doing purehearted shit , enjoying yourself, some cunt is guaranteed to stop your show if you are not aware. The fuck? Everyone is scheming ! It takes calibration, lots of patience, for me it took damage. In the end nothing is for sure. Trp is very helpful but it is only an app, you have to make the changes and apply the knowledge. The gears in your head have to spin both counter and clockwise in order to really thrive.

Mildly_Sociopathic · 2016-11-13T00:26:59+00:00

Completely agree. Had the exact same realisation regarding SJW's and KiA a short while back.

Difference, however, is that this place provides legitimate, objective results. Instead of wallowing in self pity, accepting how crappy you or your life is, it tells you to grow the fuck up and change those things about you. Personal growth, not societal reform or conceding to mediocrity.

16sshaffer · 2016-11-13T01:17:26+00:00

Can't tell if the "this is not a safe space... I want this post removed" comments are intentionally ironic or not

pezzaperry · 2016-11-13T01:43:24+00:00

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Ultimately they're not the same. TRP motivates you to improve yourself and further yourself, and it tries to teach objectivity through meditation and other methods. It's not as much of an echo chamber as Feminist forums.

It does still bare similarities. Both groups are generally upset with the way society is run, both groups do see society as "sheeple" as you mentioned. However, TRP creates internal methods to try to enhance their own lives within society, where-as feminism actively tries to change society itself.

TRP isn't even close to as wide-spread as feminism. It's more of a niche community of men who gather and collect their thoughts. Feminism is a train full of victims who want to shame anyone who doesn't share their views.

TheRedStoic · 2016-11-13T01:55:00+00:00

Biggest difference is that trp is a praxeology that encourages applying agency to create results.

The other is like shouting "move" at a brick wall expecting it to do so.

hyperspacepotion · 2016-11-13T03:36:36+00:00

This is a great observation and I've been saying this for years... but there is a key difference: people in TRP are way more self aware of these problems and there are tools here to help you get out of the situation and grow more positively as a person. With SJWs, they simply sink deeper into the abyss.

GraphThis · 2016-11-13T06:11:16+00:00

Anyone who might think this sub is similar to a safe space should join the Facebook Polyamory page (or any other major far left page), read the 50+ rules and try not to get banned while commenting on posts. That is a safe space.

TRP is a place of hard truths and learning to get OUTSIDE your comfort zone.

Mithra9009 · 2016-11-13T09:34:37+00:00

Your comparison has no depth at all. Left-wing authoritarianism and Right-wing authoritarianism are going to have similarities as well because they're both forms of authoritarianism. A person fighting for good and a person fighting for evil will both, due to living in reality, be forced to take up shallowly similar actions.

I think the problem with commentaries like this is that it's all built upon the idea that we're all defined by our actions and choices. That there is no such thing as a "deep down inside" for anyone and so, the conclusion from this is that morality is really a fickle, subjective thing that shouldn't be taken seriously.

I don't think TRP can really be TRP if TRP accepts any form of relativism since TRP has always been about presenting people with the cold, hard facts of how reality works (as well as allowing them to decide how they apply them, TRP is amoral) and relativism obscures these core truths in a sort of fog.

NeoreactionSafe · 2016-11-12T21:09:06+00:00

No, just no.

It's so funny... the SJW have realized that their bullshit is being exposed and now they show up here with the same old tricks of inversion.

This won't fool anyone.

We know Game.

Should I repeat that:

Game
Game
Game

TimmyTurnersNuts · 2016-11-12T21:21:48+00:00

Jesus TRP is turning into a full on political shitshow. Dude you're not edgy and most likely won't get anyone here to agree with that sentiment. At the end of the day this Reddit is about game. Game.

SexistFlyingPig · 2016-11-12T22:51:58+00:00

There is nothing safe about this space.

I would like this post removed, as it is a troll and doesn't add anything to the Red Pill discussion.

real-boethius · 2016-11-12T23:01:42+00:00

Concern troll but anyway ...

The difference IMHO is that TRP is evidence based and committed to living in the world of reality.

no_face · 2016-11-12T23:44:05+00:00

I'm so triggered right now /s

Title	TRP is a safe space
Author	Pshkn11
Upvotes	128
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Date	November 12, 2016 7:37 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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