US News Article: "Women Are 'Genetically Programmed' to Cheat, Study Says"

-contrarian- · 2016-08-24T22:28:17+00:00

Why don't they just cut to the chase and say marriage goes against biology?

firmness · 2016-08-25T01:39:39+00:00

A few points need to be made here:

Marriage as we know it, is relatively new to the 200,000 years of human evolution (although that 200k mark is in debate, it is a solid guess as to when humans "began"). This is important to keep in mind.
Pair bonding is most certainly natural, as is monogamy and co-parentlng. Just not necessarily all at the same time and with the same partner! Also, cheating, ditching one family for another, and violence are also natural (as others have pointed out).
Marriages have become more challenging as we have become less tribal/family-oriented, and as we are living longer. Marriages were not assumed to last 50 years because through the ages women died in child-birth, men in hunting and industrial accidents, cancer etc. So this new "marry forever" thing is just a glitch in the system that was never intended to be.
As women hear more about the best finest things in the world, and as the incomes of the average woman rises, their expectations have also risen. The internet gives them almost unlimited access to the riches of the world. As a nation's affluence builds, these baubles and sky diving trips become at status symbol.
Speaking of status symbols - just as men compete athletically, physically, intellectually, and economically; so too do women. And the biggest prize of all is to sucker a man into marriage. To get a smart wealthy good-looking man to sign that beastly contract is the ultimate status symbol. It says "I am so amazing and beautiful that I convinced this powerful amazing man to throw his whole life away for me" Now THAT is power.

All these things combine in ways that complement the findings of this study. Stuff we all already know.

returnofthemack2 · 2016-08-25T04:21:52+00:00

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SummertimeMelancholy · 2016-08-25T00:14:30+00:00

Well... Damn. It's only a hypothesis but...

David Buss is the field authority in evolutionary psychology. And his specialty is mating strategies. From the author structure I can see that this was a pet project gone solid. Texas Austin could be considered HRM, and definitely at least MRM. Journal is a top field journal too. This work is solid.

It fits soo beautifully. And here I thought spending my pet project time on redpill might be a mistake...

This should be a must read: http://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2013/02/The-Mate-Switching-Hypothesis-FINAL-PUBLISHED-2017.pdf

This is basically the sidebar:

The current leading hypothesis for why women have affairs posits that women have adaptations for securing investment from one man while cuckolding him in order to obtain good genes from an affair partner —the dual mating strategy hypothesis (see Gangestad & Haselton, 2015, for a recent articulation and evidentiary summary)

Although we have focused primarily on women's evolved mate switching psychology, many of the same predictions would apply to men. For example, mate value discrepancies, exposure to novel potential mates of higher value than the current mate, and revealed relationship load should also predict mate switching by men. Other aspects of men's mating psychology, however, we expect to differ. It is known that men's affairs, more often than women's affairs, are motivated by the desire for sexual variety (e.g., Buss, 2016; Glass & Wright, 1985; Symons, 1979), which explains why men are less likely than women to fall in love with their affair partners. So although some men use affairs as a mate switching tactic, direct sexual access to fertile women is a key function of many men's psychology of extra-pair copulations. Women's affairs, more than men's affairs, are therefore less likely to be explained by the mate switching hypothesis. Moreover, in polygynous societies, men with sufficient status and resources are more likely to add additional wives rather than oust one to switch to another. Future conceptual and empirical work could fruitfully examine which aspects of mate switching psychology are common to both sexes and which are sex differentiated.

kagetsuki23 · 2016-08-25T04:07:38+00:00

the best strategy is to LTR a girl for 2 years and go to the next one. most relation become boring after 2 years, and it's there that the problems start.

nonthaki · 2016-08-25T04:34:33+00:00

I think in the present modern age , along with their desire to secure the best partner and gather resources (money, social power etc) ; we forget that women are also inclined to migrate to men who are higher in social status i.e. who give them more "tingles" ; and even worse is the fact that they purposefully try to involves themselves in more drama , where they can get their kick from fluctuating emotions i.e. depression and elation . Why do you think it is women who watch soapy TV shows in which the women cheat with a Chad or the pool boy , and the husband catches her, quarrels with her and then forgives her ? Why do you think they watch such stupid TV shows ? Its because in real life , most women can never have this kind of a lifestyle or experience such emotional highs and lows , because of the risk of being ostracized by society. So they watch these shows to atleast imagine living those kind of lives as depicted in TV and thus get their kick . After all , they can get the feeling of being a special unique snowflake , who is wooed by Prince Charming, fucked roughly by Chad and accepted by her husband . In almost all those shows , you can see the husband going back to her confirming her to be special and she absolves all responsibility by saying "You should have been there more with me" . Another example for a females need for attention and special treatment and drama : the book Fifty Shades of Grey.

And regarding attracted to "tingles" , it neednt be high Social smv or even having talents like singing, acting in the arts field. Women get the tingles from rich men, who are impeccably dressed in their Armani suits as evidenced by this :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/4285142/Women-get-more-pleasure-in-bed-from-wealthy-men.html

Read below in that post : -

The figures are similar to those for western countries

meaning the myth that Chinese women are much worse gold-diggers than western women has no basis .

https://drive.google.com/viewerng/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnx0aG9tYXN2cG9sbGV0fGd4OjcyYzQ5MWY4ZDM0MTk0Zjc .

You dont even need to look further forward . Just look at the example i mentioned before - 50 Shades of Gray which is a story of a rich man and a not so rich girl AND women like this book .

Face it , whether the cause be their Biology or not , Society is the only thing that can control or atleast limit women's hypergamy "Drive" or as I like to call it "HyperDrive" :) , and by the way society is gearing more towards the support of women , we might as well as completely move away from or not involve in human society (sigma) or play the "game" till death (alpha).

allnamesfckintaken · 2016-08-25T12:24:20+00:00

"Ancestral women lacking a back-up mate would have suffered a lapse in protection, and resources," Buss added.

this is also the primary reason why women friendzone guys so much. they always want a backup just in case. people can always tell when the other person is pursuing them because that person is super nice and willing to do favors for you. a friend wouldnt do this without reciprocation. so there's no way a woman would not know a guy is sexually interested in her. at the same time, most women refuse to outright deny a man too, primarily because they want to keep him as a backup. so we get friendzones.

0xdada · 2016-08-25T00:48:41+00:00

You know, not killing and eating one another goes against biology too, and we come up with conventions and technologies so we don't have to do it.

The idea of marriage not being natural is true, but living in your own shit is natural, being prey is natural, and there is a lot of stuff that is natural you probably don't want to be a part of.

Men try to be more than their base instincts and cultivate virtues. Women did too, just not anymore.

CraigJusticeFor · 2016-08-25T01:50:34+00:00

Guys, we men cheat too. Heck, I cheated on my ex gf. We humans in general are not biologically programmed for monogamy.

untitled_redditor · 2016-08-25T03:25:40+00:00

Haha, article ignores history. Women have historically been almost posessions of men. They didn't used to cheat because we shamed/beat/beheaded them. And that's still how it is in many places today.

Loyalty hasn't been optional until recently.

Docbear64 · 2016-08-25T00:12:16+00:00

Is this how they set up a play for a society where women are openly cucking their husbands while hubby patiently waits for his princess to come home from boyfriend #11's place...car.... dark corner of the park ?

MattyAnon · 2016-08-25T12:35:29+00:00

makes the case that female infidelity is rooted in evolutionary biology

Well that's good..... I'd hate the girl herself to be responsible for her actions.

PantsonFire1234 · 2016-08-25T13:11:39+00:00

Another "Women are mindless robots who can't help themselves" study. Smh.

Men are programmed to fuck just about anything that moves 24/7, 4 weeks a month, 365 days a year

If there's one who should be programmed to cheat it ought to be men. This is just another way for women to rationalize their slutting as virtuous.

"Mate-switching mechanisms would benefit a woman by motivating her to pursue the highest value partners she could attract and retain."

The word is switching, from one commitment to the next. Not every woman could attract Brad Pitt for said commitment.

Affairs serve as a form of mate insurance, keeping a back-up mate should a switch become warranted in the future.

Lets call it what it is, self esteem problems, emotional frailty, daddy issues. If you need to cheat in your relationship to feel 'secure' about the future you need to get your fucking head examined. Since when do women fuck orbiters? Oh yes of course, they fuck Chad..

.. but wait, Chad is so much better right? The study did say women do indeed want to ensure they have the highest value partner which she *could attract and retain. Ah yes I see it now, she couldn't get Chad..

Women who fucked a guy but couldn't extract his commitment LOST the game

They aren't players, hypergamous, programmed to cheat- they are simple sluts who over estimated their own worth. They fucked up and lost the game.

You are now allowed to throw stones

squidracer · 2016-08-25T01:12:06+00:00

Wow, looks like U.S. news just took the red pill

ecosci · 2016-08-25T01:30:55+00:00

A whore is just a woman who is being honest about her sexuality and primal nature she knows her purpose so dont try to change them into something wholesome always f*ck your woman like she is a porn star she will love the energy awalt.

RedDeadCred · 2016-08-25T13:21:47+00:00

David buss is one of the founders of evolutionary psychology and his work is a massive influence here.

OSaraiva · 2016-08-25T13:24:01+00:00

"It's not my fault, it's genetics!"

NoNotoriety · 2016-08-26T10:49:40+00:00

I have no doubts about how much women cheat. I see it all the time and unfortunately I have played part in it too.

I just think a lot of these articles get posted as a circle jerk that women are these immoral beings that lack self control. Well I've also seen enough of my friends and colleagues over my life cheat on their partners to know men will cheat just as often as women.

AWALT should really be APALT. People are kidding themselves if they think we are the only gender that aren't controlled by our genitals. People are fundamentally immoral.

maxbrooksmacbook · 2016-08-24T22:50:38+00:00

Both of the quotes appear to be the same

PreciselyUnclear · 2016-08-25T01:26:04+00:00

Except that this makes no sense in terms of the hunter gather societies 15,000 years ago before the invention of agriculture. Tribes existed as a Commune, meaning all women were taken care of regardless. When the Settlers came over and started Jamestown and the other settlements, they had to adopt harsh penalties for leaving - as both men and women were leaving to go live with the Indians, they found it to be much more egalitarian.

Without a way to amass resources there was no economic social classes, no was polygamy realistic. If you were too injured, sick, or old to hunt then chances are you weren't able to have sex either.

This was much more fair for both genders and "cheating" wasn't even possible.

fingerthemoon · 2016-08-27T01:01:41+00:00

Here's the full paper.:

http://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2013/02/The-Mate-Switching-Hypothesis-FINAL-PUBLISHED-2017.pdf

You should read it. It's not really about cheating like the article suggest, but why women (and men) mate switch. Cheating is just one aspect of mate switching that falls within a bigger picture with a range of behaviors. He also points out that some evo psych hypothesis are now being questioned, like the one about dual-mating strategy.

Snowbattt · 2016-08-25T08:01:23+00:00

Some bitches attach importance to marriage with some dude that can provide for her and then she goes cheat on him when she simply wants something else sexually. That's pretty much it.

TheGodPlant · 2016-08-25T08:07:04+00:00

I've just seen this article posted about on the UNILAD page on facebook with their own headline "It's hard to believe that people still think like this in 2016."

postreformedpua · 2016-08-25T09:56:17+00:00

Anyone have access to the full paper?

EDIT here it is.

VanityKings · 2016-08-25T16:03:11+00:00

Logically, it makes perfect sense.
On the other side, evolutionary biology suggests that men have historically been better able to spread their DNA by impregnating multiple partners as opposed to sticking with just one.
Problem is that big daddy government implemented child support to counter the males reproductive habits and bolster women's.
Imagine how society would be if the fathers, government, and tax payers didn't have to pay for some cunts choices

yummyluckycharms · 2016-08-26T06:09:02+00:00

Some of the responses in this thread are just plain out bizarre. Please understand what this article is simply stating.

The article isnt stating that women and men are cheating 24/7 - it simply states the scientific fact that both genders will cheat depending on the environmental factors that they face. By extension, it also means that both monogamy and polygamy (via cheating) have a place in humanity's arsenal in its quest to propagate the species via the best genes possible. None of this is revolutionary or new - in fact - scientists have been talking about this since the 40's

It is not saying that people are androids with no willpower, nor is the article suggesting that people are consciously choosing to cheat all the time.

2045_revolution · 2016-08-27T18:57:32+00:00

Women engage in mate switching. Men on the other hand want to fuck and endless cycle of fertile women.

Both genders are primed to cheat, but they do it differently.

Men want a main woman and family (who they can be devoted to) while they have an endless cycle of one night stands, prostitutes and mistresses on the side

Women want one man to commit to them while they have an endless pool of beta orbiters who can provide them with security, resources and protection if their main man disappears.

Kasper-X-Hauser · 2016-09-04T02:53:03+00:00

Damn, you mysogenist a-holes who are jumping on this to bash women. When a woman cheats, she is cheating with a man who is also cheating.

HUMANS are programmed to cheat.

rodger_mexico · 2016-08-25T13:28:20+00:00

This is just based on the ungrounded assumption that every decision we make is determined by some gene.

Mosin_999 · 2016-08-25T11:06:35+00:00

LUL LUL LUL in b4 shitstorm.

Tebo_Tikiman · 2016-08-25T13:24:42+00:00

When a nation loses Christian values, this is the article you can publish.

corsega · 2016-08-25T03:03:59+00:00

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