You guys are fooling yourselves.

dRePe_Thill · 2017-01-25T21:44:10+00:00

"Women don't need dick. They have backstock on that, hanging around every street corner."

Unfortunately very true, well said, reminds me of my favorite quote: "She's not yours; its just your turn."

ExplodingSamsung · 2017-01-25T21:32:05+00:00

I was never a guy who had ONEitis, but TRP cemented that idea for good. Men: you LITERALLY replaceable. We are very much disposable to women. Thats why you just need to enjoy her while you have her and not get caught up.

IllimitableMan · 2017-01-25T23:54:12+00:00

Being the best man you can be is minimising the chances she'll stray.. not ensuring she won't. There's nuance there. An average guy is far more likely to be cheated on. Nothing lasts forever, you won't even live in your house forever, it doesn't mean you say "hey, I'll let anyone fucking burgle my shit" - nah, you still guard that shit like you guard your bitch because that's how people are with their property, and best believe me when someone burgles a bitch you've committed to, you'll be livid. The only difference between a woman and a house is a house is burgled from the outside, women invite the burglars in.

Additionally, if you know how to lay down dark triad game on a bitch you can get more loyalty than you'd ever know. Most guys can't do that so they'll never get it. But you know those violent guys the woman will never leave no matter how crazy or fucked up the shit he does? Yeah, they have women's loyalty. Why do they have it? Women are addicted to men who put them in their place constantly, demean them and make them work for validation before finally rewarding them with an ounce of affection. This sounds fucked up because it is, women are fucked in the head. Most of you do not run your bitches like that. But they love it. It's cat nip to them. It would blow your fucking mind to see how a woman behaves when you manage her like this. But most dudes don't have the energy levels and disposition to pull this off or sustain it, so they don't get that frenetic feminine loyalty, they get a turn.

For what it's worth, dread increases the length of your turn if you're not DT and pretty much cements it if you are.

My $0.02c - opinions and shit.

H42 · 2017-01-26T00:40:41+00:00

"She isn't yours; its just your turn".

DesignerTom · 2017-01-25T23:40:01+00:00

If this is true then it makes a very sad outcome to life. I am certain I would be cheated on but I do not want that. I want to experience love but I do not think a loyal loving relationship is possible anymore.

wantonton · 2017-01-25T21:08:42+00:00

You've been reading the sidebar, good for you.

Rommel0502 · 2017-01-25T23:39:26+00:00

For the 10,000th time here - the primary message here is not to improve yourself so you can get back at/win over women. Nor is it merely to accumulate a high notch count. Its to be the very best that you can be. Do that, and all of these other consequences take care of themselves.

Piroko · 2017-01-25T21:03:36+00:00

Fidelity doesn't exist

Posession is nine tenths of the law.

I am sympathetic to the view mgtows and mras agree upon, which is that this is to some extent a problem of law and how society deals with gender and agency. A dim and chauvinistic view? Sure. But borne out by the behavior we see in the wild.

Our society might pride itself on being enlightened but it isn't necessarily improved by enlightenment.

aurelius_shrugs · 2017-01-26T01:58:57+00:00

Every problem with any woman is solved by having at least two in the kitty.

epubliusrex · 2017-01-26T04:04:06+00:00

I don't know how I feel about that. I was never much into one night stands--I don't like the idea of doing a cunt who has some other guys bacteria in her--and they do.

I preferred always to have 3-5 on a rotation schedule. And I made sure they all knew about it. Women are very competitive. If they see you with a woman, they want you more than if you're alone. I used to put their pics on my mantle. That way they could see their competition. If and when you finally settle down, they'll know they won a prize.

It goes back to some other guy wanting to hear out a bitch talking about her sexploits. Unless she is superb in bed, my response would always be to ask her, if it was so good, how come she isn't? Putting them back in their place is important. You want your wife to stay interested? Then make sure women flirt with you in public places. Don't be obvious about it--that'll just piss em off. Let them see the women as their competitors. Those women wanting you just because you're desirable.

You need to stop worshiping pussy and think like they do. There are millions of women out there. More of them then us. Their moment in the sun is a flash in the pan. And ultimately, if you have your shit together, they will want you. But you have to be a man in the first place. Manly isn't just lifting weights. It's about the doing of things. It's about the living of life in a manly and very cool way.

I think it helps a lot to go and kill something. Kill like your ancestors did. It'll make you feel alive. Drive a car at 120 MPH. Jump off a 60' cliff. Swim a river. Get the fuck off the damn computer and go live life.

It's about sending the real message that you don't give a shit whether they or anyone else likes you. You are your own man. You belong to no one. You cut your own swath through this world. And anyone who gets in your way is dead meat. This is how you succeed at everything.

stonepimpletilists · 2017-01-25T21:14:11+00:00

Rollo tweeted as much today.

If being the best father in the world ensured a womans fidelity, then marriage rates would be rising right now.

Doing the beta thing is a man, owning his decision to have children, it will in no way ensure his AF and loyalty in his woman

meh613 · 2017-01-26T05:57:45+00:00

I was dumped by a girl because, when she cheated on me and told me about it, I was not angry enough. I told her, "I can't provide everything, I need to work and go to the gym without you. If you're horny during those times, go find someone else who will satisfy you. While I'd rather not know about it, now that you told me, it's no big deal."

Allegedly, she told me during a later meeting that she dumped me because I was not angry enough, telling her that I didn't value the exclusivity of the relationship.

Thotwrecker · 2017-01-26T06:13:29+00:00

Male solipsism is the root of the problematic thinking you're describing. Men think that women evaluate using hypergamistic logic and then do what's in their best interest. They think hypergamy means she analyzes "OK which dick will provide for me the best and give me the most tingles, hmm let's branch swing because Todd has a better ROI and has a 10% better body and 15% more dominance."

That's not how it works. It's feelings based for her - and the reason I said male solipsism births this flawed thinking is that you assume she evaluates mates in the same analytic way that you do.

If she feels better with him, she will act against her own best interest. She'll leave a studly successful Wall street dude for some drug dealer trash and wind up in a ditch, she'll act against her own best interests. She is hypergamous but not logical about it all the time. Sometimes she is, sometimes not. Sometimes she misapplies it. Sometimes you are more alpha than the other guy, but he's a sensitive musician and he's around when you're not. Sometimes she will turn down the rich playboy and you'll feel all good, and then you find out her effeminate friendzoned loser managed to slip it in one night when she was feeling lonely.

Women are not logical about this shit. They follow patterns. You can anticipate and alter and maximize your chances of success. You can cheating-proof your life in the same way you can drive a car safely or protect financial investments or add security to your house. It can help, but you can't control it completely. Minimizing risk works to an extent, and you must never hamster about what that extent is.

TRP can help you learn how to minimize that risk through your behaviors, personality, choice of woman, ambition, SMV, etc. But first you have to accept that from Napoleon to Belisarius to Elon Musk, men far greater than you have been cucked by women - in times where women had far more to lose and far more incentive to be loyal (in the case of the historical examples). Go join incels if you want to protect yourself from every risking being cucked.

If you're willing to face the very real possibility that you could lose at this game, and you accept the table stakes, then you're ready to play to win. Otherwise, I agree with OP - you're fooling yourself.

Docbear64 · 2017-01-25T22:41:10+00:00

I forget which post I was reading last night but I stumbled upon this : http://no-maam.blogspot.ca/2008/02/questionators-should-women-have-right.html

And essentially it says the same thing OP does . There was a time where being a provider as a man and being the carrier of children and the being able to provide a family as a woman were both assumed positions in life . It was the foundation behind marriage ,Men trade exclusive rights to their labor and ability to work and women trade their reproductive rights and assume to be cared for by their husband . Simple exchange .

The issue is we now live in a world where the work needed by women is significantly less, in fact a woman can have children and still be both socially and financially taken care of . So trading exclusive rights to her means of reproduction and body no longer matters. We have as a a society essentially tried to remove the need for men in a relationship .

The thing is though women aren't super logical creatures, they are driven by their emotions so they want to be kept to a certain degree but now " owned" . They want unlimited freedom and maximum security .

Unfortunately the issue is many women aren't great at cashing their chips when they have had plenty of fun and still look gorgeous . Also how does one seamlessly transition from fucking awesome attractive man after awesome attractive man and then settle for and remain committed to a single one ?

Now most of you reading this are men and It is your right to do what makes you happy or what you believe will make you happy , however how any man can commit to a woman in an age where most women don't want commitment ( unless you are the best man she believes she can get) or really need it is beyond me .

Entropy-7 · 2017-01-26T02:49:39+00:00

I am out of the North American market but it seems that these chicks are done. Asian chicks? They want to wife up, suck your dick and be with you until you die.

brinkleybuzz · 2017-01-26T02:03:44+00:00

Relationships have an expiration date. Think of yourself as a renter, not a buyer.

super_hater · 2017-01-26T01:43:45+00:00

Fidelity exists if the woman has a strong sense of morals that she lives by. In today's generation it may be very hard to find, but believe me, there are loyal women out there who do not succumb to their hypergamous nature. But of course you cannot force loyalty. It must already be instilled within her. And exception is not the rule, so therefore i agree that we must assume the worst.

prosgorandom · 2017-01-26T03:49:44+00:00

This is doom and gloom depressing talk. We are all going to die. It will all be for nothing in the end. First your friends and family, then you. Your girlfriend will eventually cheat on you or leave you. No one with a healthy mind dwells on this dark stuff. We aren't meant to. While you're on cloud 9 with a great girl, don't let the future eat away at you like OP here. Enjoy it in the moment because it's all finite.

Think of it like this: Imagine doing some mdma and spending the whole time thinking about how your tolerance is getting worse, you will feel like shit tomorrow, and this might be the last rave you will go to. That's a sign of someone with a serious mental imbalance. Personally, the chase, though doomed to fail, is what makes me feel alive.

l2oland · 2017-01-26T04:03:20+00:00

Excellent post OP.

Women, friends, etc. They're all impermanent, so when we try to clutch to them by changing ourselves, lifestyles, hobbies, we're trying to catch air in our hands, and expect it not to escape. It doesn't make sense.

epubliusrex · 2017-01-26T04:10:36+00:00

The other thing some of you guys don't get. Women have extremely fragile egos. Extremely. Anything else you see is a front. That's why it's easier to control them if they are constantly trying to live up to your standards. Set them high. I guarantee you that if that hottie sees you leaving the bar with a 4-6 she's never going to touch you--never.

Make friends with the waitresses. If women see the waitresses digging you, they will too. If you're going to leave the bar with someone, leave with the best looking waitress. Bring a date in to be observed by the waitresses that like you. Watch the fun. If they like her, they'll be excellent. If they don't, they'll be good to you, but not them.

NeoreactionSafe · 2017-01-25T22:46:27+00:00

Lack of historical perspective

Natural Laws are the only certain thing.

Violate the Natural Laws and you get bad results.

America violated the Natural Laws first when women were elevated to the status of voter. That violates the basic idea that the masculine must hold all the power.

Later America made it worse when the Child Support laws gave automatic slavery to any man who got a woman pregnant.

Even later on the laws added Alimony and Spousal Support to further break from Natural Laws and create the Divorce Rape epidemic.

Do not judge all time by the Failed Shit Test we know as our current Blue Pill mythology.

Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology.

In an ideal world where we lived in alignment with Natural Laws you would see very high rates of fidelity as was seen in other time periods. Fear in women of serious consequences has a habit of making her risk averse.

Be able to mentally comprehend a different spin of the Rubik's Cube™.

That being said... yeah... life really sucks today as women have no fear of consequences.

the-capitan · 2017-01-26T01:04:00+00:00

your conclusion is right, but i'm not seeing a lot of this...

the entire message turns back into "then she will love me/then she won't cheat on me/then I can get married/etc."

maybe i'm just missing it. the fact that the manosphere no longer serves the plantation is why we get such a bad rap. redpillers are doubly worse than the mgtows towards the plantation because we don't serve it, but still play the game and benefit without having to pay betabucks back in.

always good to have a reminder though. she's not yours; it's just your turn.

seihanda · 2017-01-26T05:56:51+00:00

What? are you trying to say that women allowed to fuck around??

Then ofcourse by that logic, Men also must be allowed to fuck around and become infidel as he wish without any consequences right? So everyone just fuck around like bonobo monkey

But then again, What is the point of marriage and relationship then?

TedTheAtheist · 2017-01-26T06:20:55+00:00

Can confirm. I won't say how, but I can confirm.

deforms · 2017-01-25T22:19:43+00:00

What's the point of being in a LTR then?

AshByFeel · 2017-01-26T01:48:05+00:00

I've been married to the love of my life for 15 years. She loves taking care of me as a woman should. I love taking care of her as a man. It can happen.

Killermafia6 · 2017-01-26T05:50:13+00:00

Most women are emotional comes from the outside, women invite the burglars in.

Tibi_456 · 2017-01-26T06:14:33+00:00

And I don't get one that is kept hidden from view.

the3k · 2017-01-26T02:51:13+00:00

I more than agree with "Be a better you because you deserve it for yourself" point, but your message has kinda insecure vibe that I want to discuss. Yes, it's obvious that lot's of things in our life are outside of our control (including women, weather forecasts and shit movies). But it doesn't mean we have to live in the reality where every second we should expect some shit to happen. If you know that you can be hit by a rhino one day you have more than just two options: "I believe I can find a lovely friendly rhino finally" and "All rhinos are just crazy freaks, do not trust them and lift!". I think it is very important to keep our eyes wide open and try to see more than just a binary world. Is it really fun to live in the constant hostile reality mode? I don't think so :)

epubliusrex · 2017-01-27T01:02:12+00:00

You're a silly fool. I've been doing it for years. Now I'm not the average man by any means. But I also see women for what they are and always have. Guys like you just don't get it.

Women want to be dominated. They do not want a little boy, they want a man. Men don't take shit from women. Men know what they bring to a woman.

The whole problem with feminism started with fucking beta males agreeing with women in a pathetic attempt to get laid. It's fucking beta males that created the hell they live in--not women. Women have never built a civilization. Men build civilizations. I laugh at women who think they're my equal. And in the moment I do that, they know their place. For everyone one that walks away to go soothe herself with a beta, three will stay.

As I said above--I have never, ever, made a pass at woman. They always ask for it. Even on okcupid and tinder, it's them coming for me. I never send out the first message. Never.

gistaminute · 2017-01-26T03:34:57+00:00

the entire message turns back into "then she will love me/then she won't cheat on me/then I can get married/etc."

Uhh.... where? AWALT bro, we know, she'll love the hottest guy she has access to. "It's only ~~your~~ her turn." We say be the hot guy and if you're not the hottest keep working at it. You might be projecting, basic side bar material.

Edit: ~~your~~ her turn... via HumanSockPuppet below... good thinking

circlhat · 2017-01-25T23:51:33+00:00

Women don't belong to you. No matter what you do, no woman will ever be your property/possession.

Don't really think that is the issue, I mean even blue pill guys are told this, I been told this since I was 3 and never even thought otherwise, Let's be honest the only people that think they own women is rapist.

Most guys simply want women to like them and want to learn how to be attractive.

Women need handymen,

Women also need dick, and so does the human race, there is no shortage of AFC, but a good Alpha is hard to fine.

The problem isn't the hypergamy of women.

Your lack of understanding is a huge problem and will give you a false sense of reality , honestly the red pill is about the correct perception

TheLaughingRhino · 2017-01-26T09:58:59+00:00

Here's the thing that makes me leery in general.

And I think this is something, I'd wager, lots of guys here have observed when their SMV has risen through hard work and some changes.

When I put in the work to raise my SMV, I noticed and it wasn't hard to notice ,that married women around me, from work, from the gym, from associations with others, etc, would act in a way that would upset their husbands if they saw how their wives acted around other men.

This is not a humble-brag, but there are times I've been standing in front a married woman, she knows I know she's married, and she acts in a way where I realize if I was married to her, it would have been a truly shitty choice to make. Because how she is treating her husband then, when he's not around, is how she'd treat me.

If you are a married woman, giving your number out to a guy clearly interested in screwing you, or touching his arm to feel his biceps or keep talking about how good you look now with your new muscles or ask you about your love life or , the typical, trashing her husband in front of you, what kind of "quality" is that horseshit?

I've seen married women with "good lives" They aren't starving, they live in good neighborhoods, their kids are in good schools, they have their health, they have opportunity. And guess what? They are still looking around, checking their options out.

Who the fuck wants to deal with that?

It's one thing if I understand I am disposable. It's another to have to commit my resources, time and effort and blood, and vow to fight and die for this person, and daily, have her treat me as disposable. Fuck that shit. Fuck that shit with a big fat rubber dick up the ass.

If you expect nothing from people, you will never ever be disappointed. Women make me weary, but they don't disappoint me anymore , because I expect nothing from them. I expect that they could leave or betray me at any time.

But I am a big believer, if you do get married or in a LTR, the Golden Rule applies. Be honorable for you, for your integrity, show no woman and no person can get you to compromise yourself and your code of how you want to live your life.

abdada · 2017-01-25T21:01:59+00:00

Your posts are such low quality concern trolling.

JLM19 · 2017-01-26T05:31:53+00:00

I don't follow? I do whatever the hell I want. Hunt fish drink cold beer build shit. What feminist bs have I bought into?

obamasrapedungeon · 2017-01-26T02:03:27+00:00

I mean, my choices are be single or be with literal whores who view my existence as a joke and will constantly betray me at every opportunity.... so this doesn't really even make a difference for me.

Title	You guys are fooling yourselves.
Author	ThinkingofPIV
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Date	January 25, 2017 8:57 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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