Death to Pickup Lines!

testmypatience · 2012-02-22T17:11:34+00:00

This was fantastic. I guess I have to work on actually giving a shit about what people say. Pretty sure I'm an asshole. Fuck. It's weird how you become jaded over time and then it makes you terrible to be around. I'm doing better now but it's hard to actually be interested in people that haven't shown anything to be interested in yet.

Small talk is really not that interesting so it seems like a chore to get to the interesting parts. Then what happens if you don't get to an interesting part? Yea, wasted time. That's probably a terrible way to look at it. I'd never get any better if i keep that attitude.

Thanks for posting this video. Gives me good reason to continue destroying my shit habits and shit perspectives.

oc974 · 2012-02-22T22:13:26+00:00

Mystery tought guys to practice openers and routines they could use one anyone anywhere. David Wygant teaches us to be observant and talk to the girl about what she's probably already thinking about. Sasha Daygame teaches us to just totally ignore what the girl is thinking and amuse ourselves when we talk to her. These approaches all sound totally different, but the one thing they have in common is that they're all telling us to be fearless when talking to women. They're just three different ways to overcome the fear.

Bottom line: women can smell fear. No matter what your strategy is for approaching, you have to do it fearlessly.

fluentinsilence · 2012-02-22T21:19:14+00:00

I don't like the PUA 'movement' very much but there is solid material in this video. I actually feel queasy in my stomach when I see other men pull this cheesy line stuff on women in public environments.

His point about being observant is spot-on. Rather than acknowledging the situation, where you and the woman are, what is going on, etc., the guys who do the incorrect thing just ignore all that and try to create a performance, which can come off as weird, creepy, or desperate.

And the part about "women don't have a certain type, but a certain attitude," this is a prime example of why a lot of objectively unattractive men have incredible success with others.

psyocal · 2012-02-22T20:40:38+00:00

“Women don’t have a certain ‘TYPE’, they have a certain ‘ATTITUDE’ they like.” <---- probably the best quote I've heard in a while.

Jigsus · 2012-02-22T17:30:04+00:00

You: How's the coffee here?

Her: Fine, I guess...

And now what? These are basically non-responses not conversations.

Richandler · 2012-02-23T00:50:07+00:00

"How's the coffee here?" sounds dumb to me. Are you not going to buy the coffee there? Why are you there if you aren't going to be trying it?

That said I think overhearing drink orders and asking about those makes more sense and seems more natural.

espanabarca · 2012-02-23T00:55:53+00:00

David Wygant is someone I'd take advice from. Not the clown that is Tyler or Mystery.

MonkeySteriods · 2012-02-23T01:38:26+00:00

Wygnant either sounds like he burned out and is trying to claim hes better than everyone or a natural.

Its all about your environment. If you're in LA and pickup has just gotten good: Don't used the canned lines. Also, hes confusing terminology, a pickup line is not an opener. Hes complaining about openers.

You want to interrupt a girl's current thoughts. They tend to be "well I'm too nervous to talk to that guy" at best. At worst [for you] that guy is creepy. If you break that line of thought with "Hey I've got to head out, but before I do I need a female opinion on something." [Even during the day] You've gone from a stranger to someone she can converse with. His approach is too direct, its what other guys do. Except, he keeps persisting dispute discomfort.

I will not use the cheating line or relationship openers on one girl by herself. Those openers work wonders on groups. Its beautiful, it gets the group talking and creates conflict.

If you're observing the girl before you approach you're hesitating and you're shooting yourself in the foot. You're analyzing if shes nervous, what is she doing, why is she doing that, and you're planning against it. That shit is stupid, if you want to know why she's there, find a way to challenge her about it (after the conversation has started). Tell her something like: "I heard from a friend there was a rumor that there was a spy for [x coffee shop here]. She said that all the other spies got caught..." [pause, let her do a small reaction, look at her suspiciously] "Wait a minute, you wouldn't be the new recruit?"

When you get comfortable talking to girls, you start to look for micro expressions, tone and word usage. Its not about what girls say, its about how they say it.

TL;DR wygnant is full of bad advice. To summarize what he advises "observe the girl, say something according to the observation" Also, 1. Be attractive, 2. Don't be unattractive. Thanks dude.

Tsunderella · 2012-02-23T01:06:51+00:00

Am I the only one who thinks this seems terribly intuitive? I've always thought pickup lines were bad, so I suppose it's good that this is getting out there.

Richandler · 2012-02-22T23:25:05+00:00

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Title	Death to Pickup Lines!
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Date	February 22, 2012 3:32 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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