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[–]kacey- 83 points84 points85 points 5 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
My issue is I think lowly of myself already. It's the fear of someone else thinking if me the same way I think of myself. I have hit a pint where I think I need someone else to show me that it is possible to love myself
[–]Looksmax123 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yeah - this coupled with some bad experiences leads to pretty low self worth and fearw of further negative reinforcement.
[–]kacey- 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I've been led on a couple times. Thats as far as my experience goes. Which I guess is pretty shit as that makes me not their 1st choice, simply a back up plan if that
[–]007beer 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What do you mean by led on? Like they said "hey be my SO," used you for whatever reason, then dumped you?
[–]kacey- 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No, where they pretend to be interested in you romantically for a few weeks, like where it looks like it could be a relationship and then boom, finds out they never had the intentions of that
[–]007beer 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hmmm that just sounds like dating to me. People are allowed to change their minds, and it's weird to think that they'd intentionally waste their time hanging with you for a few weeks, all as a ruse? For kicks? Unless y'all are in high school or something lol. All that stuff about being 2nd choice is a guess, there could be a billion reasons why it didn't pan out.
Relationships are developed, there shouldn't be too many formulated intentions besides getting to know each other and having fun, really aiming to be flirty friends first before rushing into some long term relationship. I used to set too much expectations in my head and always ended up disappointed.
[–]kacey- 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh its definitely not dating, its the step before that. I've never dated anyone
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[–]Looksmax123 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks for the advice man - I've done such exercises, and frankly while I've been doing what I can do address what I dislike, it never feels like enough lol. Almost developed a mild case of body dysmorphia/bigorexia.
[–]Gordon101 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think I've always had a type of dysmorphia. It's not even a gender dysmorphia thing, it's feeling trapped in this body that I never even chose or customize. I guess I should be happy that I'm alive and well, but that dysmorphia feeling comes and goes.
[–]kacey- 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess thats a physical form of something im doing half of. I'm working on self improvement. I go to therapy, im working on losing my dad bod, eating healthier, improving my heigine, my emphasis of tone in voice, etc.
[–]kpoint8033 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Relatable
[–]Iamovert 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I can understand what you are saying, you have look at it another way. If you go up and talk to them and get rejected, ok yes that’s not the greatest but you will never see that girl again in your life. Most of the time you will not get told something rude it’s just a kind rejection.
Yea unfortunately that doesn't help me
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"Don't ask yourself what other people are thinking of you. They're not thinking about you..."
It's what I'm thinking of me
[–]WrongThinkerOfReddit -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yup, I have been regularly excluded from the dating pool mostly because I don’t have a nice face. I’ve been told many compliments but never physically and I’m a very average guy.
The solution? Give up, let them get what they want. If it’s not you, devote your life to something worthwhile.
[–]kacey- 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's like, the exact opposite of what I need to hear
[–]WrongThinkerOfReddit 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can do it! We believe in you! Ignore rejection and reality and just go for it with your eyes closed! Throw enough shit at the wall and some of it is bound to stick!
[–]Swaggy_Mcswagson 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now that I think about it this is really my issue though I couldn’t see it.
[–]171322pinpinpin 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hey man I know it's tough. I'm currently at a dark place. I screwed things up with this girl I'm dating. But before I started dated her I thought that she didn't like me.
Only to find out that she did had a crush on me before.
People's, yes that includes girls, perspective on other individuals change when you tell them you're interested in them. They go from thinking you're nobody to actually being intrigued. I started noticing girls who normally I wouldn't notice, only because they flirted with me. If they haven't flirted with me, they won't be even on my mind.
Goes the same way with us guys. If you don't flirt with that girl, she'll just think you're background noise, but if you start flirting, they'll actually start to consider you. Sure majority of it ends in rejection, only cause the numbers are stacked against you, since most of the time girls have more options.
My point is majority of people probably think different of you. They don't think low of you. They're actually kinder, they have their own insecurities, they are too busy dealing with their own problems to pre-judge you.
Well. I can't flirt, seeing as I have shit social skills. I'm not good at talking to people outside of a professional setting or having known them for some time. The only time people have ever flirted with me was to lead me on and then cut me loose after they were done with their fun, so I just don't trust the very very very rare occasions that someone is flirting with me. I think lowly of myself so I'm the one judging myself, I know they aren't, yet. I'm the one tearing myself down, im the problem. I don't know why I do it, im not a bad person, I have very few qualities in personality that are considered undesirable. In my head I feel like I don't deserve love, that I can't be loved. Not by me, not by my family, my friends, or anyone.
[–]JayElectricity 64 points65 points66 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good job, OP. Keep it up.
It's funny, I'm not a huge fan of approaching when I'm out with people because then I feel like I'm putting on some sort of performance. When I catch myself thinking that, though, I tell myself "So what, are you afraid someone is gonna find out you like girls?" then laugh at myself.
[–]snipe4fun 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is good advice and a really solid post for being so concise! Truth doesn’t need to be shined on!
[–]loofyd 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks much !
I will keep this in mind !
[–]SexyNuggetz 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What’s the opening line you use I need a step by step lol
[–]McWhiters9511 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
2 phrases I live by. I only know my mind and only I know my mind. Failure is better than regret.
[–]horses_around2020 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
& to add to your " re framimg" .. I heard a motivation quote to do something( whatever action ) through fear...
[–]undeniably_confused 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Idk what to reply but I really want attention so thisll have to do
[–]johannthegoatman 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well the difference is what other people think of me determines if they want to bang lol. People aren't crazy for caring what other people think - what other people think has a massive effect on our lives. With random strangers though it's definitely less important. The second paragraph is on point though.
[–]Basic85 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Totaly agree.
[–]RavDLC 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Needed to hear this bro, I wanna start getting out of my comfort zone.
[–]SaltyStrawbrry 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My biggest issue is just startin that initial conversation with a women and gradually tryin to get them to open up. But you are right about approaching women and not caring about rejection OP
[–]Pepper-Lion 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're the fucking man. Thanks for sharing bro & keep up the good work.
[–]MixxMaster 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't matter what I think of myself, when others treat me like shit.
[–]choppa223kscope -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
?? We live in a socially judging society..... if you’re more attractive you will be more successful even if you’re not talented or skillful. You think a short person thinking that they aren’t short is somehow gonna make the world view him as tall? No lol that’s not reality, just like a ugly person thinking they’re attractive isn’t gonna be viewed by the world as attractive regardless if you “think” you are. If a ugly guy “thinks” he’s attractive but the rest of the world views him as ugly is he gonna be able to succeed? No........ more common sense dressed up in a over analytical perspective.
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[–]choppa223kscope -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You’re actually a fucking retard..... but that’s not surprising because retards can’t accept reality. 😊
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[–]choppa223kscope2 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your dad should’ve pushed your retarded mother down the stairs to abort having you, I can’t imagine the amount of disappointment they have in their worthless pussy of a son.
[–]angelheaded--hipster 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Here is this stupid toxic narrative that short guys can’t get dates and you have look like a damn superhero to get laid.
Stop it.
Women want confidence, happiness, and someone genuine. Most of us aren’t looking at how tall you are.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
MOST UF HAHAHAHAHA
[–]YourNewProphet -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
no matter what you are rationalizing but your subconsciousness thinks yes, other people opinion is more important
[+]kitnb -15 points-14 points-13 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Just no. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Stop walking up to random women. There’s apps for women looking to get picked up. Use them. Every woman every where is NOT open to be approached and harassed. Leave us alone.
[–]cindro1010 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What are you an endagered species or something?
[–]G00dV1b1nG 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I cant believe i found the monolith for women! What should I ask!?
[–]HeavenPiercingMan 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Go emasculate some simps elsewhere.
[–]FlanneryODostoevsky 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its not one or the other. Both matter. Thats why you're offering what you think of others here, what you think they should do.
[–]Glucksburg 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My problem with this thinking is that I don't want to become known as "the guy that hits on every girl".
Amazing post, thank you OP 💪🏻💥
[–]MauPow 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, I don't think much of myself either.
[–]tehrealdirtydan 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A no is better than a what if or maybe.
Youre just finding out if they're compatible with you. Worst case it's a no, then you know that it wouldn't work.
Leagues stuff is bull.
Go after people YOURE attracted to, not who you THINK you're capable of attracting. Yes it's a numbers game but personality is more important than looks. Go for it.
[–]Chrchgrl85 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm on the spectrum....so men HAVE to approach. I will not. Eye contact is super uncomfortable for me, as is speaking to people I don't know and touching people I don't know and people that I don't know touching me. Makes for awkward meetings of the opposite sex. My current boyfriend had to approach me.
[–]RebeccaTheDecka 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“It never ceases to amaze me: we all love ourselves more than other people, but care more about their opinion than our own. If a god appeared to us - or a wise human being, even - and prohibited us from concealing our thoughts or imagining anything without immediately shouting it out, we wouldn't make it through a single day. That's how much we value other people's opinions - instead of our own”
-Marcus Aurelius, Emperor of Rome, 2nd century
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