Difference between conversation and seduction? Give me examples of what you would say when seducing.

smoothmax · 2020-04-25T20:19:03+00:00

Agree about subcommunication. Meaning eye contact, body language etc. Mostly because of the intentions that you send out subliminally because you're in the zone letting your physical feelings show in subtle ways.

The conversation elements (words) could be 95% or more the same talking to someone you don't want to date or sleep with versus a girl you're lusting after.

Caveat: some guys DO try to make it clear with words, saying things like, "I like you" or "I think you're cute."

misterandosan · 2020-04-25T21:38:19+00:00

probably intent. You can use a lot of the stuff in seduction in everyday conversations. Ideally you'll "flirt" with pretty much everybody, but the intent is completely different.

Flirting can just be light hearted conversation, making a connection, strong eye contact, building chemistry, using touch etc etc.

In seduction, you'd make it a bit more clear that you're into them using the above. That's how I see it anyway.

Guy_With_Ass_Burgers · 2020-04-25T21:39:34+00:00

Context is everything when it comes to what you are saying. Double entendres which are suggestive but still have context to the current flow are a way to escalate playfully.

hazelxnutz · 2020-04-25T20:43:54+00:00

Letting them know throught eye contact is key. You can say anything that is not sexual, but eye contact can change the meaning of it by itself.

no2K7 · 2020-04-25T22:36:30+00:00

I have never in my life been direct with women, ever, only when the moment is right, and the intentions are clear on both ends

That comes with subtle hints during conversation's, the way you answer to to something that was said, while slightly smirking, making eye contact, it's really a lot of body language cues

Which requires you to read the situation, the mood. Just comes with practice I guess, but I've only ever been able to seduce when I've been comfortable with myself

I learned a lot from old tv shows like friends, the golden girls, I dream of jeanny, those quick witty responses does fucking wonders to help read situations

I guess I rambled and didnt really say much

Edit:

My life I generally follow this:

Be Jhonny Bravo, when trying to meet woman (see vamsigs comment below)
For woman I've met, I follow what I said above. Woman want to be seduced, feel something different with you, they crave it, stop sexualizing everything, if you stop trying to just fuck, I promise you... they'll fucking beg to fuck you.

Remember, fucking/sex is just a byproduct... building a connection with him/her, even if you end up just being friends, that's more powerful than anything else

2020-04-25T22:03:30+00:00

I’ve learned that you’re either desperate or you’re not so you can’t really fake it. I personally don’t do a lot of flirting or seducing I just strike up a fairly normal conversation with maybe a bit of tension and flirting and then ask them out. That’s they key you can flirt all day but you need to ask them out or get them to meet up with you otherwise it won’t go anywhere and she could just be an attention whore. Don’t get discouraged when you get rejected it’s a numbers game there’s really nothing that comes out of your mouth that will make a girl like you.

Insaneflirt_max · 2020-04-25T19:57:43+00:00

Subcommunication

pOorImitation · 2020-04-25T21:41:09+00:00

Good question!

SchattenJaggerD · 2020-04-25T23:17:51+00:00

Have you seen the interviews of Craig Ferguson?? You can see the difference between conversation and seduction right there

MrMemper · 2020-04-25T23:53:49+00:00

Conversation is non-sexual. Seduction is sexual. The art lies in knowing how and when to weave “seductive” speech into the conversation. One must be quick on their feet and witty enough to see opportunities to flip the script. It takes practice, not study.

bigredten · 2020-04-26T00:20:33+00:00

I know it's counter intuitive, but I usually just talk neutrally at first, with good body language. Then add the occasional teasing. My goal is to make the other person sub-communicate that they want me to make a move. Once I get the signal or hint, then I just make my move.

When I do this, I notice a lot less hesitancy if things go further.

Essentially, I'm engaged but indifferent from the results. Usually the other person is just as nervous, and if you can communicate that you're not really nervous I find it goes a long way.

Helmet_Icicle · 2020-04-25T22:59:03+00:00

How do you seduce someone without seeming desperate??

Abundance mentality and outcome independence.

frank992233 · 2020-04-25T22:42:30+00:00

Skillfully play in the gray. A level of mystery helps give the seduction some life. Letting someone's mind run circles in the unknown, left to fill in the blanks with whatever they want.

Gr8shpr · 2020-04-25T23:02:47+00:00

I am a female who is shy and I have some intimacy issues. So....I have never wanted to sleep with a guy by the third date! There were lots of variables to consider. First though, I know I must be able to have relaxed conversation with him.

DimitriT · 2020-04-25T22:00:14+00:00

Conversation is a conversation. Seduction is when two horny people have conversation.

I don't think any example will help you because it does not really matter what you say, It can be really sexy to be talking about a pancake and coffee.

I think this example will be a better one. It's a video of a horny feline trying to seduce another cat. But the other cat acts as an average Joe, not being able to read between the lines.

My point is: Whenever you want to seduce somebody, it's a seduction. Some are better than others.

The best example I can give you of what yo say when you want to seduce somebody is: Listen to what they are saying. They will tell you everything.

TishthaDish · 2020-04-26T04:03:44+00:00

My guy and I were cuddling while talking and he just comes out with “Do you wanna fuck?” He was very direct. I started laughing because I thought it was a joke and he assured me he was very serious. I was already attracted to his confidence so said yes, of course.

PopeIzalith · 2020-04-26T07:36:18+00:00

Be bold and playful. Eye contact is really important.

My favorite thing to do is to have a nice conversation with lots of eye contact and laughing. When there’s a lull I just let the silence takeover. then I just smile at her and if she smiles back I say “I think you need to come over here and kiss me”

99% of the time she’ll walk over and kiss you. Kissing leads to heavy petting which leads to...well you know the rest.

ThomasHakai · 2020-04-26T03:17:51+00:00

seduction is about getting the best outcome from people. and it's all about perceived value. what are you offering for the transaction.

Tom Cruise can just stand next to a girl and seduce her without opening his mouth because he is a mega star. he has perceived value.

Andrew Cuomo became hot commodity in these corona days because he exerts leadership. so any woman who values power will find him attractive.

if you have more value, then you won't act desperate because you don't have an urging need for what the other party is offering. you can negotiate from a position of power.

Just-chillin-here · 2020-04-26T04:46:40+00:00

Na, na, na.. Doing most of this stuff will turn out creepy unless you’re way experienced at it - and hot looking. Just have a normal conversation with them, but pepper in little bits - I said bits - of words and/or actions to indicate your interest. Don’t expect anything. Just let your interest and her interest play out naturally. Trying to speed things up also appears creepy.

MrMemper · 2020-04-26T05:19:21+00:00

I forgot to answer your first question: “how do I seduce without seeming desperate?”

Go address your neediness issues. Filling them with attention from women will not solve your problem.

2020-04-26T05:47:32+00:00

All these responses and not one reply from the OP Do me a favor and work on your self esteem first before you play around with seduction You wouldn’t be worried about coming off as desperate if you truly believed you had value to offer and that is why I recommend you pursue self development techniques more than seduction techniques because oddly enough what’s most seductive is someone who knows there own worth and doesn’t need anything from anyone

earsurgery9 · 2020-04-26T07:46:53+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/7qkpju/gaming_a_girl_vs_talking_to_her/

hustla-A · 2020-04-26T11:25:34+00:00

TL;DR: evaluate her and make it clear she hasn't completely won you over, OR grope girls, OR spam approach until you find a girl who seduces you.

You can establish a man-to-woman premise by saying "you're cute." That's very obvious. Or you can be more subtle by saying something negative as well, "you'd be perfect for me if you didn't always XYZ" or "I love that you do X but I hate that you do Y." Todd V has done this topic to death on Youtube. Also, I have to say, a lot of the top pick up teachers don't actually know how to establish man-to-woman premise verbally. You watch their videos and they absolutely refuse to give compliments. But if you pay attention in their infields, you see that they do a lot of, well, groping. In night game, that works as well - it lets her know why you're there, although you should still know how to do it verbally. Finally, you'll see a lot of PUA infields where the GIRL actually is the one to make it man-to-woman, and in those cases, all the guy has to do is accept it. She'll say something like "you're handsome" and all he needs to do is say "you're not so bad yourself" and not fuck it up by saying something stupid like make a self-deprecating joke.

frank992233 · 2020-04-26T13:30:47+00:00

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PolesWithGoals · 2020-04-26T00:30:50+00:00

Seduction is when you’re attractive, conversation is the case when you’re the opposite (Ie my case)

forksknivesandspoons · 2020-04-26T00:36:45+00:00

I think it’s all in the vibe.

eablokker · 2020-04-26T01:43:31+00:00

https://www.amazon.com/Art-Seduction-Robert-Greene/dp/0142001198

Doesn’t give conversation examples, but gives an overview of what seduction is.

mr_Tobbor · 2020-04-26T06:28:14+00:00

It's not about "what", it's about "how"!

WhiteRabbit1988 · 2020-04-26T08:48:22+00:00

I say it depends on the dynamic of your relationship this is extremely broad- but for a start she has to smile at you like she knows you before you can even think about flirting- If she seems into you then you play smile I say this loosely but a lot is communicated without talking, Even looking at her approvingly could take you somewhere, but I say keep topics light if it’s up to you - say she’s standing next to something you could talk about coffee, seem detailed like you are teaching about anything you have learned about coffee, if she engages she will basically open it up for you to take her out, if not don’t push it and back off for a few days, if she’s still not, I wouldn’t push it. Only talk dirty if she handles these steps well- or if it’s in a group of people and its just too funny- literally anything can be made dirty the more you think about it the Funnier it gets.

spacejuiice · 2020-04-26T10:12:06+00:00

Read the book called "The Game" it'll give you all the answers your looking for.

anasitos45 · 2020-04-26T10:15:40+00:00

Read the book called the art of seduction by robert grenn, it mentions approximately 90 percent of seduction is indirect either by behaviour or bodylanguage, tone of the voice ...etc

ocean__x · 2020-04-27T04:33:15+00:00

There really are no differences because as others have stated, it's all about subcommunication.

I have obtained #s from women where the primary focus of the conversation was toilet paper (pre-corona).

The old saying, "it doesn't matter what you say; it's how you say it," is true.

Kimdabrim · 2020-04-29T14:27:39+00:00

Hot take but talking yourself out of vagina is a real thing. People decide they wanna sex you before hearing a word. Push forward the interaction not the dialogue.

2020-04-26T06:40:34+00:00

I can only speak in the context that both parties are known to be interested in each other such as through tinder, giving each other the “fuck me” eyes, or saying yes to coffee or lunch (most one-one meetings with members of the opposite sex are likely dates)

If you can’t tell if its a date, just treat it like a date. You’ll know they are not interested if they flake or they mentioned their boyfriend amidst the conversation where you invited them to coffee, lunch,etc.

This is my experience, and I have used this consistently on first dates with much success assuming you go on a coffee date or something like that.

Usually you frame the conversation to build up to up a seductive context. I did something very similar to this yesterday with a girl I matched with on tinder.

Full Disclosure: I speak very confidently so feel free to reword my examples in ways you would say them.

In person Conversation: Priming the interaction

“How was your day?”

“How are you? Tell me about yourself?”

Seduction: Listen to what they said like someone had a gun pointed at you

“Why did you decide to become a nurse?”

“Why do you go for morning runs everyday”

Seduction (2): Respond, Reveal, Repeat, Compliment on things that you like about them or even ask complimenting questions

“Nursing is definitely your calling, you seem like you’re kind and compassionate. I am actually studying to be a medical student myself” “Do you have plans to go to graduate school?”

“That’s cool, I totally agree with (insert what they said), I like to cycle on Sunday mornings.” “Have you always been active since you were a kid?”

Seduction (3): Transient change of scenery (ONLY if the conversation does not feel like a drag you can move on to the next stage)

Do you want to go for a walk?

Seduction (4): Ask intimate questions until you finish the transient change in scenery (it’s not a hike lmao)

How would your friends describe you?

Where are you at in life?

What is really important you?

What are you looking for?

Seduction (5): Summarize your interaction with them, illustrate how you have things in common, show genuine interest and flatterly (don’t bullshit the person, actually get to know them and say something meaningful)

“I really like that you are driven and caring. I wish I was nice as you” (reiterate past compliments)”

“I think its awesome that you want to stay healthy, you look great” “We should work out sometime”

Seduction (6): Set the stage for another date/continue the date, or build sexual tension (I plan these out so that when I am done with the walk, I know exactly what I am going to do next assuming the conversation went well)

Talk about the second date while you are ending the first date (shows you are interested in seeing them again without saying if directly) Where do you like to eat? Do you like going to public parks? Have you ever gone to a gun range? Whatever shit you like to do invite her to it, shows you want them around... if its still day time just have dinner with them on top of whatever you already did with them.

Or if you want sexy time and want to push your luck.... Transition from a walk to something more private, preferably when the sun is setting or close to sexy time hours (i.e. sit on bench, Disney plus and thrust) “We should sit here for a second” “Do you want to get grab some food and hangout?” (Don’t end the conversation, if you are leading the conversation you can push it far enough to end in the bedroom)

Seduction (7): Coitus

You either have another date or a time frame of a date

You’re having sex

2020-04-25T21:56:25+00:00

The best results I ever had was having a woman who was devoted to me. I'd be honest with her that I was going to see other women and she wasn't going to see anyone else if it was going to continue. Basically hard harem. Admittedly, this mean that first one or two to agree to that were NOT ideal. But it did make all my other interactions go WAY better. It is a lot easier to be confident if you know you already have a few ladies to have sex with. Plus being honest about that made me a more memorable than I had been before, and ones who it wasn't going any place with left me alone a lot faster.

The BIGGEST downside for me was how much time this all took. Lately I've been focusing on other things, so I've let that slide.

Gr8shpr · 2020-04-25T22:12:35+00:00

It takes a LONG time to warm a woman up (usually) from being a stranger to becoming intimate (or wanting intimacy). Take the time; do it right; you won’t be sorry. Smile a lot. Ask her questions. Listen to her. Establish closeness (as in friend) first. Establish trust. These things show interest, which leads to communication, which leads to seduction.

Title	Difference between conversation and seduction? Give me examples of what you would say when seducing.
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