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[–]IANAPUA_Yet 38 points39 points40 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
There are plenty of outdoorsy women. You're probably not going to find them all decked out in a night club, though. If you're not happy with what you're finding, change the way you're searching.
[–]bh150 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with this. You have a demographic problem not a women problem
[–]Psychocist8 points 10 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
This 100%. I can't believe half the comments here are resigning to the idea that this is just how women are. No. If you can't find women like this, you're not looking very hard.
[–]vardarac 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are only so many meetups, and most of them have a lot of old people around where I live. I think the younger women all stick to college groups or have their own outdoor meetups. shrug
[–]kb-3 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Totally agree. Might depend on where he lives, but personally I have found lots of girls like that (on Tinder, at work, etc). @OP: do you have a specific type of girl you go after? Maybe go on some dates with a different "type", or younger girls, or something like that. The girls are definitely out there.
Having a "women are the shallow ones" attitude is also going to repel a lot of quality girls.
[–]TheMinistryOfAwesome 43 points44 points45 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I feel you bro.
I spend so much of my life training - and essentially engaging in vastly male orientated sport/acitivities and all the friends I have in the nearby area are vaguely reclusive or married.
I'm 32 years old and there is a part of me that really feels that it's a bit lame for somebody my age to be standing on the street waiting to stop some cute girl (in her early 20s - or late or whatever) and try to pick her up. To make it clear, i basically don't do it. I'm an opportunistic bastard, more than anything
Ultimately... itjust feels to me that if you really have your shit together and are living a great life then you just don't need to be going out daygaming.. or going out with the purposes of picking up chicks at all - which arguably is the whole point of redpill mentality and a lot of 'inner game' stuff too.
Sadly when your primary social activities deal with men and you're not so into going out getting smashed it leaves you slightly limited in the kind of chick you're going to meet.
MGTOW is almost synonymous with "go it alone".
I think really though the main issue comes from the fact that you'll hold a chick to stricter requirements than your friends. A friend you just have to be able to have a laugh with and vaguely tolerate for an hour or two per week. Shared experience is the key to bonding and so it gets easy when you're kayaking with a bunch of dudes.... To be willing to spend as much time as you would need to develop a relationship wtih a woman.. she has to be a shitload better than your friends and with stricter requirements the pool of appropriate people drops.
That's just the way it is. Things will never be the same.. (haha)
(sorry for not being too helpful - you only get empathy it seems)
[–]wwwsssppp 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude thank you. It's good to know other people feel the same way.
I'm also early 30's with mainly male oriented hobbies. The hobbies that aren't are where I find girls.
Going up to a girl on the street makes me feel like a creep. I've done it in certain situations but mostly it feels fake and unnecessary.
Sure I can get my life more in order but how will they know if they are not around.
Some days I just want to be selfish and not give a fuck about pick up or anyone at all.
[–]CrayonStur 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I feel the same way too. I just hit 30 and had 2 serious relationships (7 years + 2 years) but now it's like I just don't give a shit about pickup, I just wanna enjoy my life and meet girls in a more "natural" way.
I LOVE playing football (soccer lol) and many sports but like u say are mainly focused on men and was nearly impossible to meet girls doing that... but I just discovered an sport which is growing like hell here in Spain called Padel, like Tennis but with walls, really fun and... there's A LOT of girls (all ages) playing it and since is a sport that u have to play in couples and u don't need a huge physical effort (at an amateur rate I mean).
[–]TheMinistryOfAwesome 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We should set up a sub-thread/reddit called "Pickup for 30+" :D
2 years ago i came out of a 9ish year relationship too.. went through a phase of burning through chicks and now I have some regular (but relatively average) FWBs ... and have lost interest to be going out "on the pull" or doing "daygame".
[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I would only be getting STARTED in all this, in my 30s.
You're saying now I need to be concerned that daygame/approaching would make me creepy?
Any other negative judgments I need to absorb so that I end up never trying to talk to any women, at all?
[–]TheMinistryOfAwesome 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I never said it's creepy. Nor did I say it had to be a concern for you.
What I did say is that doing daygame doesn't align with how i think I should be living - at least the standing around part of it. Instead daygame for me has been reduced to opportunisic engagements. I'll be doing something and spot a girl rather than goingout to find girls.
IF you want negative judgements tell the average person you read about pickup and seduction and see what kind of look they give you.
[–]RaptorFalcon 38 points39 points40 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
As a 30+, I agree. I dislike the trend of uninteresting, no hobby women that are prevalent these days.
[–]ass_fungus 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Can you move to the city? I've lived in numerous metropolitan areas and there's never a lack of ambitious, high-quality girls (both in looks and skills). You'll be humbled when you meet the woman who's not only a knockout, but clearly a standard deviation (or two) smarter than you.
[–]RaptorFalcon 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I actually move a lot. Ohio was good, LA was bad. East Coast is just OK.
Had a really great time with a chick last night, so we'll see.
[–]JefemanG 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
As a 22 y/o, I agree. I can only take so many "amazing stories" about drinking parties or your dog... Girls tend to lack depth, but is it really their fault or societies' fault for raising them to leech off of men and have almost zero ambition?
Granted, I will be generalizing with what's following this...
Interestingly enough, I find this a problem primarily with fully American/Americanized girls. I'm of Brazilian decent and grew up primarily around Latinos where it's either girls are taught to be hot to get their men or they're taught to be self-sufficient and men will pick you. The latter group tends to be a lot of fun and share many hobbies that men do (dancing, surfing, martial arts, etc.), while the former is like your typical American girl, only (objectively) hotter and much more stuck-up/self-important.
[–]Heavy_Industries 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
What is this?
[–]JefemanG 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, society raised not only them to be this way, but men to cater to them.
I never really understood this rhetoric until I moved to a primarily "white suburban" area. In my culture, women are taught to be independent, but loyal to the one man they devote themselves to. Men are taught to be strong, self-sufficient, and not afraid of challenge. If a man When I moved to suburbia for college 3 years ago, I was impressed at A) how easy it is to get white girls since the dudes tend to be all PC/pussies towards girls and B) how incredibly different the culture is. Girls literally run their men in most relationships, and if they don't, it's seen as not normal or that he is an asshole. Guys get friendzoned because they don't have the balls to tell her no or to just go get her in the first place. There is also a huge emphasis on having a woman to be happy, which is another thing I don't understand.
I didn't understand the problems expressed on Reddit, media, or Facebook until I actually saw it firsthand. It's impressive.
I believe stereotypical American is a more proper way to put it, considering I was born in the US and am American (first generation, WHOOOO!). I just grew up in Miami and was surrounded by either my kin or other Latinos who often times hold similar views of their men and women.
[–]UgUgImDyingYouIdiot 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
That's how its always been all through history.
[–]Dankob 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Women without any hobbies u mean?
[–]UgUgImDyingYouIdiot -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Women have no meaningful interests or hobbies. They're more social than "learn a hobby" types.
[–]Dankob -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Haha damn right that's what I'm noticing. Not only that but so many of them when u ask what music they like is "all types". So general. Or when I ask about hobbies they often say nothing special. But I think many genuinely obviously do have hobbies, but many don't.
[–]UgUgImDyingYouIdiot -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Their hobbies are like the cliché women "chores" anyway. Cooking, gardening, buying clothes/shoes. Aka not hobbies but more biological drives.
[–]Edgar_Allan_Rich 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is such a circle jerk. I appreciate OP's genuine honesty, but there have NEVER been more opportunities to meet women of depth than there are right this very second. No sympathy here. They are literally everywhere.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This. Many of my friends have genuinely awesome girlfriends. When I still studied in the student library there were tons of smart, beautiful, ambitious women. I'm 29 and I graduated long ago, but those women still exist. Granted, I do live in the Netherlands, but I refuse to believe American women are any less.
it is hard to find them in a setting where you can actually meet and date them. I haven't yet. But to resort to "women are just shallow and inherently uninteresting" is incorrect and self-defeating. Look somewhere else. Go join a political party, go to fund raisers, go to that bar where all the law firm employees go. There will be higher quality women there.
Also, 30+ is not old for a dude.
[–]monstercojones 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Move to Arizona... literally every girl I meet here wants to go hiking, camping, climbing or rafting all the time. Where are you located?
[–]SuperStalin 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've realized that the more I learn to accept women as they are, the more exceptional women I get to meet.
I know it sounds like some TheSecret bullshit type of thing, but maybe there's a logical explanation behind it - in the way I came to be... pretty much honestly disinterested.
[–]MrCrappy57 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Thanks to everyone who replied. You don't know how much I appreciate it. It's just...you know I fucking love women. I love the way they smell, their curves, the way their panties show through their dresses...haha everything really. It feels like I have an invisible gun to my head and somebody is saying "if you don't fuck her you die".
I swear to god sometimes I wish I was gay.
[–]TheMinistryOfAwesome 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well that's it...
It feels that pickup/daygame is just too contrived. Now i'm all for just having fuck buddies and banging chicks that you think are hot but occasionally it's nice to get to know people a little deeper than the length of your cock.
I think really my problem is that man yof my friends are either married with kids or socially reclusive meaning I have a relatively small amount of time "hangning with my buddies". Perhaps I just need some more friends :)
[–]thrway178920 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
if you don't fuck her you die
That's the basis of reproduction, isn't it? I mean in an unfeeling scientific kind of way.
Reproduce or the species dies here. It's a biological imperative.
[–]CrayonStur 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
hahaha sometimes I wish I was gay too... I even have some gay friends that wanna fuck me like there's no tomorrow but damn... as u said, the way a woman smell, the curves...
[–]Dankob 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I thought I was the only one who rly care about how she smells lol. Like its a big factor. Such a turn on if she smells good.
[–]cakemuncher -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You can always be bisexual you know.
[–]Big_TX 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
well you can't be it if you aren't...
[–]TheAccessMan 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel you, man.
I'm 25 and going through this exact same phase.
I love to play around with women, but deep inside me, when I go to sleep, I feel that in the end we are all alone.
Right now, my life is quite agitated (going to college, working and a little bit of lifting) and I can clearly see how people do not care about each other.
The same shallow small talks, not really listening/feeling what the other has to say. It's a bummer.
If I may help, I could tell you to be straightforward with the girls you are sorrounded with.
When I talk to them I usually say, looking at them at the eyes "How are you doing?", and when they answer me "Fine", I raise the bar and re-ask her "No, seriously. How are you? We seldomly speak and I feel like I don't know you at all".
Usually they open up and we end up having more meaningful talks thus bonding deeper.
[–]Mozhetbeats 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know what you mean; my interests are pretty specific. It's hard to be active with a job and other responsibilities, but I think the best way to meet people with similar interests is to just do your thing and do what you enjoy, but do it with a social mindset.
Have you tried finding a local outdoor sports club? You could also try connecting through online forums. Many have localized pages. And I wouldn't just focus on meeting women you are attracted to. Just get out there and meet people, both men and women, and with those relationships, more will come.
[–]fap_fap_fap_ 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
have you tried to join groups of people who get together for canoing, hiking etc... if anything there's usually more women in those because most guys go on their own or with close buddies. check the meetup site for your area.
[–]Big_TX 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe your city's culture is fucked. But I doubt it. You probably are going for the wrong type. There are defenently outdoorsy girls. Tuns of girls are deep you just have to connect with them and open them and yourself up. It takes time. Most people have depth, it's just not in their surface layer you see in the beginning. And Canoeing isn't deep. Most people have deep seeded feeling deep secrets. Tough times in their past. Desires and strange thoughts. If you want a deep connection with a girl you have to talk about that stuff. Share your's and hear her's That's where depth comes from. You just have to go deep over time and avoid superficial airheads.
[–]PopeJamal 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel you, I feel the same pretty much.
I think the issue is about focus. Just continue to focus on doing the things that: -you enjoy -enrich your life -help you learn -make you a better man
That's all we can do during our short time on this spinning rock.
I've found that as I become more comfortable and accepting of myself, I'm more comfortable and accepting of others. It's not about lowering your standards but more refining them. When you have hazy standards, you need to have I bigger "cut off zone" to maintain the quality of your relationships. Once you are able to bring your standards closer to a razor focus, you can give people a little more leeway to be human and make mistakes and only cut them off when they truly cross the line.
Just hang in there man. You can't go wrong when you focus on being the best man you can be.
[–]exzackly69 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But I know I've got one thing I've got to dooooooo~!
[–]TurnPunchKick 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know this feel bro. I know it well.
[–]seldor1 point 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Most women I meet are totally into what you are describing.
[–]jimmyny413 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm sure if you if you are as agreesive as you say you are,I'm sure if you tell some females this,one has to give in.... Especially if it's all paid for.....are you suggesting this to the young ladies?
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