Study found that teaching women college students to firmly say "no" cut rapes by 50%. So why aren't feminists pushing hard to roll this out everywhere?

DonkeyWindBreaker · 2017-07-30T10:42:20+00:00

Feminists don't want to stop rape. If there was no rape, there would be even less reason for feminism.

If teaching women to say "no" forcefully cuts sexual assaults by 50%, that is great. Let's have all young people attend courses that teach them how to say no and how to recognise if someone else wants to be with them or have sex with them.

But if just saying "no" cuts the number of assaults this much, then a lot of what we are counting as assaults are almost certainly misunderstandings.

I say a "a lot" rather than "all", because some people are undoubtedly sleazy chancers who will push their luck as far as they can until meeting determined resistance.

KingRobotPrince · 2017-07-30T12:56:15+00:00

There was a news story on facebook a day or two ago about a 15 year old girl getting raped by a guy then again by a bother guy she asked for help.

Obviously totally horrific. Not the girl's fault at all.

One commenter made the mistake of asking why the girl's parents allowed a 15 year old girl to be out alone in the middle of the night.

Well, you can imagine the reactions. Angry, insulting, swearing. People literally acted as if the commenter had said "It's the girl's fault that she got raped because she was out late. She deserved to be raped." Which is so far from what the commenter was really getting at.

It's insane the way people react. There's no other crime where the victim cannot be criticised even slightly for any decision they made that put them in that vulnerable position.

Woman walking alone through an abandoned area in the middle of the night? No problem. If anything happens to her it's the perp's fault, so why try and be safe or avoid dangerous situations.

The working thing is, this can create a culture of women not being told to be careful. To walk in groups, to get a taxi home, to avoid taking short-cuts. Good sensible advice is stigmatised because it "blames the victim".

2017-07-30T17:58:16+00:00

It didn't cut rapes by 50%, it cut regretful sex and the false accusations that follow by 50%.

EricAllonde · 2017-07-30T10:33:36+00:00

Feminists often trumpet the need for "teach men not to rape" (i.e. consent) classes on the basis that they've been shown to reduce the number of rapes by up to 10%.

Here's a program shown to cut the number of rapes by 50% and yet no feminists are pushing for it to be rolled out. Why? If feminists really want to stop rape on campus, you'd think they would be all for it?

Perhaps it's because this program calls for women to do something, which is to firmly say "no" when they don't want to have sex. Of course that's "victim blaming", which feminists are dead against.

It's more accurate to say that feminists only want to stop rape by making men do things, not by making women do anything.

Besides, the success of this program clearly demonstrates that a number of reported "rapes" are the result of the woman not saying what she wants and later regretting the fact that she didn't speak up. That's heresy to the feminist religion.

I still find it weird that in the 21st century feminists are the ones insisting that women have no agency, they are helpless, weak and can't do anything on their own. Such a turnaround from 20th century feminists and their mantra that "Women are powerful. Women can do anything that men can do".

Blutarg · 2017-07-30T14:16:08+00:00

I can't help but wonder: is it really rape if she just didn't feel like saying "no"? Like, if someone asks me for money, and I give it to them even though I don't really want to, I wouldn't in a million years call that robbery.

ThatDamnedImp · 2017-07-30T13:03:33+00:00

IF all it takes to stop a rape is a firm 'No', then nobody was raped in the first place.

2017-07-30T10:37:25+00:00

Because that implies some responsibility may lie with the victim in some cases.

Women are being raped and murdered because feminism empowers them by attacking the notion that women can exercise their own agency and judgement.

VadersDawg · 2017-07-30T12:15:22+00:00

Wait what. Personal responsibility. No way.

Uhm Patriachy and toxic masculinity is the devil.

DarthRoacho · 2017-07-30T14:04:52+00:00

Feminists won't push it because then it takes the blame away from solely the man. They won't have their "men are all evil rapists" agenda anymore.

Deepera · 2017-07-30T15:48:37+00:00

Some women will wear tampons so that they will have an excuse to say no to sex. These women have a severe need to not appear aggressive and hurt people's feelings. Its more than just fear, they have been taught to respect others' but not themselves.

Victim blaming is not helpful, and victims/survivors should always be treated with compassion. But teaching women to be more assertive will allow them to not have to resort to unhelpful submissive defense strategies.

Blutarg · 2017-07-30T12:34:16+00:00

Heather MacDonald: Is this the end of the collegiate bacchanal?

Let us recall the norms that the sexual revolution contemptuously swept away in the 1960s. Males and females were assumed on average to have different needs regarding sex: The omnivorous male sex drive would leap at all available targets, whereas females were more selective, associating sex with love and commitment. The male was expected to channel his desire for sex through the rituals of courtship and a proposal of marriage. A high premium was placed on female chastity and great significance accorded its loss; males, by contrast, were given a virtual free pass to play the sexual field to the extent that they could find or purchase a willing partner. The default setting for premarital sex was “no,” at least for females. Girls could opt out of that default — many did — but placing the default at “no” meant that a female didn’t have to justify her decision not to have sex with particular reasons each time a male importuned her; individual sexual restraint was backed up by collective values. On campuses, administrators enforced these norms through visitation rules intended to prevent student couplings.

The sexual revolution threw these arrangements aside. From then on, males and females would meet as equals on the sexual battlefield. The ideal of female modesty, the liberationists declared, was simply a cover for sexism. Chivalry was punished; females were assumed to desire sex as voraciously as males; they required no elaborate courtship rituals to engage in it and would presumably experience no pang of thwarted attachment after a one-night stand. The default for premarital sex was now “yes,” rather than “no”; opting out of that default required an individualized explanation that could no longer rely on the fact that such things are simply not done. In colleges, the authorities should get out of the way and leave students free to navigate coital relations as they saw fit.

Four decades later, the liberationist regime is disintegrating before our eyes.

The new order is a bizarre hybrid of liberationist and traditionalist values. It carefully preserves the prerogative of no-strings-attached sex while combining it with legalistic caveats that allow females to revert at will to a stance of offended virtue.

hottake_toothache · 2017-07-30T16:38:43+00:00

But that would require asking something of women, silly. Remember all burdens must be shifted to men. /s

GreyTortoise · 2017-07-30T13:17:06+00:00

Grown women speak out for what they want, need, and demand. They reach, for themselves and others, for what is required, they don't expect someone else to think or act for them. This program is simply a maturity class, and it's working wonders.

The issue of expecting things to just happen a certain way is plaguing all my fellow millennials, and it's the cause for things like this.

He's more than likely not trying to rape anyone. He just can't read your fucking mind, no matter how much or how many women may expect him to. You can "just say no" to drugs. The same logic can be applied to anything. This is kindergarten, for Christ's sake.

mrwhibbley · 2017-07-30T14:34:04+00:00

According to feminist math, that would mean that rapes would be reduced to only 150% of all women.

rg57 · 2017-07-30T15:52:51+00:00

Not being "raped" means that you don't get to cash in later.

yturijea · 2017-07-30T17:38:12+00:00

so this article also state that at least 1 in 5 women has been raped... why is this still out in the open?

TheBookOfSeil · 2017-07-30T15:28:36+00:00

Study found that teaching women college students to firmly say "no" cut rapes by 50%.

Oh, yes, if they didn't say no, they would've gotten raped. What kind of logic is this?

Itsjust_pat · 2017-07-30T21:40:31+00:00

Because if you tell someone how to prevent crime and they fail to do it, now suddenly they can't be a victim. They failed to oblige in their duty to be personally responsible.

For example, if I tell you that locking your car door reduces theft from 90% to .000001%, then a few weeks later you leave your door unlocked... well guess what, you aren't a victim, you are an idiot.

See, there is a large swath of the population that refuses to buy into the idea of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for their actions.

likwyd_16 · 2017-07-30T22:12:20+00:00

So confused. Yes = consenting. No = rape. Doesn’t teaching them to say No train them to accept rape, therefore meaning a yes, meaning they weren’t raped?

perplexedm · 2017-07-30T10:56:20+00:00

Study found that teaching women college students to firmly say "no" cut rapes by 50%. So why aren't feminists pushing hard to roll this out everywhere?

Arctruaalllly.... Such studies are mushoguinisht and put responsibility only on the side of irresponsible, poor young horny womyn and absolve men of any wrong doing. /s

If so, how women and where womyn can ventialte their penis envy ?

The real reason: This will put feminastism out of professional victim-hood business.

mwobuddy · 2017-07-30T11:01:53+00:00

Saying yes would also cut it.

boringcarpets · 2017-07-31T09:44:07+00:00

This is so dumb - we've gone so far that everyone just knows and accepts that regret, misunderstandings and miscommunication are included as "rape". because if half of all instances of rape can be eliminated by saying "no" then it wasn't rape in the first place. But the fact that this isn't the realisation is really telling

xNOM · 2017-07-31T18:30:21+00:00

Feminism is just a lobbying organization for angry overeducated white vagina owners. They are no more scrupulous than the NRA or Greenpeace.

2017-07-31T19:33:11+00:00

Probably so they can keep getting money on Patreon.

cymrich · 2017-08-01T05:33:06+00:00

they aren't pushing it because that would require them to actually do something and not just blame everyone else.

Title	Study found that teaching women college students to firmly say "no" cut rapes by 50%. So why aren't feminists pushing hard to roll this out everywhere?
Author	EricAllonde
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Date	July 30, 2017 10:27 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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