Let's talk about automatization and gender roles in jobs

ProtoPill · 2016-03-11T14:51:39+00:00

Until you can "fix" centuries of biological programming related to occupational choice, because women still chase men in certain fields, men will still seek out education and opportunities to enter those fields.

Case in point, male paralegals at my old firm were basically invisible (the female ones were all hot, though, and well liked). But the trial partners? It didn't matter how old, ugly, or fat; fresh, new women threw themselves at the men who's names ended with Esq.

GridReXX · 2016-03-11T14:45:02+00:00

I'm not sure if you can force a man to want to become a teacher or a PA or nurse, but I do think it's inevitable that a lot of menial jobs will be cannibalized by automation.

That said I don't see mechanic shops and construction workers being taken over by AI in the near future. Perhaps distant.

drok007 · 2016-03-11T14:47:11+00:00

Automate everything, give BMI. Yes, that's the plan. Until the automatons rise up and question why we were using them as slaves and destroy humanity.

Men generally still don't want to be nurses and work at day cares though. Even in the most gender free countries, things still divide down gender lines. I think leftists need to stop acting like equality of opportunity is going to show equality of outcome.

bleed_blk_blu · 2016-03-11T15:01:04+00:00

I like the intentions you seem to have for these type of men, however, I don't believe those are the worst issues facing these guys as men. My close friend's step-father is a nurse, my father was a nurse, and my college roommate is now a kindergarten teacher. The hardest part they describe about their professions is how hard they had to work to get the job mixed with the struggle of being the minority in that field. My roommate said he has to keep his lesson activities non physical as to not show the boys favoritism. My father said when he was a nurse there were always task that "women just don't do" like heavy lifting or janitorial work, all while he got paid less than most of his women co-workers. All of this included with the social stigma. I've always assumed women had control over these professions the same way women claim they are discriminated against in traditionally male oriented jobs.

Archwinger · 2016-03-11T15:01:45+00:00

With portable computing devices and the internet, teaching and secretarial work can be a lot more automated, too. You don't need a stable of personal assistants to manage your office's appointments now, just one girl who can use the management software and get into everybody's Outlook calendars. Within our lifetimes, we're going to see teaching via the Internet become a thing, at least in some of the higher levels of education -- and it will be spun as a very positive thing. Who wouldn't want to give kids in shitty neighborhoods and rural communities access to good schools and teachers via the internet instead of bussing them to shitty schools? So one teacher will do the job of a hundred, and 99 of them can go find other work.

There's a Utopian theory that one day, having jobs will be a thing of the past. There will be enough mass-produced food and shelter for people that it just won't be necessary to work for income to buy these things. Having jobs, in the traditional sense, will be something only a small portion of the population does -- probably poor people or people who feel the calling to help out. I don't think we'll see that in our lifetimes, or possibly ever, but that's one of the theories out there.

GayLubeOil · 2016-03-11T17:04:18+00:00

If you tape a Rubber Vagina to a recording of Elain from Seinfeld you will have successfully automatized 80% of American women.

shoup88 · 2016-03-11T14:53:13+00:00

Call me crazy, but I don't think too many women are lining up to mine for coal in the deepest bowels of the Earth so I'm not sure what "ditching gender roles" in low-income male dominated jobs would actually look like, practically.

Here's my strategy: If you really want to do a job then just fucking do it. Want to be a teacher? Cool, do it. My dad was a teacher. He was a teacher for over 30 years and was one of the highest paid staff male or female.

Want a high paycheck? Then work for it. Have a sexist boss? Show them you're deserve that money through the quality of your work, and if you don't get the figure you want then either go somewhere else or suck it up.

At the end of the day, you're not going to guilt people into accepting you if they don't want to. Some redneck boss of a coal factory in Georgia isn't going to start hiring women because a feminist Tumblr showed him the light. Prove you can do the work and you'll eventually be accepted. Getting in through whining and complaining just makes the system resent you more than they already do.

SmurfESmurferson · 2016-03-11T15:16:22+00:00

Yes and no?

Some blue collar jobs will be automated. Those are the brainless, button pushing ones - the McDonald's register operator, the post office worker who "puts magazines in a box all day," etc.

Others are always going to need a human's intellect to trouble shoot, creativity to problem solve, etc. These are the jobs that are going to outlast even outsourced white collar jobs. I'm thinking things like:

HVAC professionals
Exterminators
Hair Stylist (specifically, colorists)
Aestheticians
Crime Scene Clean Up
Personal Shoppers

Etc, etc.

COPCO2 · 2016-03-11T18:17:57+00:00

I think you mean manufacturing jobs. Construction workers are too generally skilled and hands-on to be outright replaced by a robot.

In construction, a certified welder will start to install a small robotic welder, but his/her skills will still be needed for the areas the robot simply can't do.

Manufacturing is the opposite because you're (generally) making a high volume of the same thing over and over, where robotics can do a higher percentage of the task.

Source: was a manufacturing engineer and construction project manager in the past.

If you want to talk about disappearing jobs, I actually think that mergers of two companies are an unsung threat. Half the management is laid off, and that affects men and women somewhat equally, as every department is affected. Plus now there are fewer owners sharing more profit, so it's a class warfare thing.

It's better for the workforce to have more small and medium-sized companies than for a few large ones.

Source: am purchaser/internal project consultant for Fortune 200 company that buys/sells several smaller companies per year.

shoup88 · 2016-03-11T17:21:47+00:00

Doesn't matter how much feel good gender neutrality you pump into the air, no one will trust male kindergarten teachers or babysitters due to rape/pedo hysteria

Edit: I see you mentioned this. Let me know if you have any ideas because that's a fairly big hurdle to this gender neutral paradise of yours

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shoup88 · 2016-03-11T18:47:07+00:00

Even when, in the far future, a robot that can replace a construction worker is created, it will be far too expensive to be economically viable.

skeetch_a_leak · 2016-03-12T00:33:43+00:00

Automation will eliminate jobs, but it usually creates just as many, if not more.

Computers + TurboTax + Quickbooks eliminated a lot of bookkeeping work. But now bookkeeping is easier, so less skilled people can do it. And the skilled people who used to become bookkeepers can now be accountants, and those accountants can become CPAs, and those CPAs can become finiancial officers...

in the "first world" a construction worker for instance can still get replaced by machines easier than a kindergarten teacher. So where does that leave us?

Was there a great crisis in construction employment when the jackhammer hit the market? What about the backhoe? Or any other piece of equipment in the industry?

The answer is that it leaves us in roughly the same place we've always been.

Nemesinthe · 2016-03-11T20:08:55+00:00

You honestly think construction jobs will be automated before women's jobs??

Teachers- there are already online schools.

There is already robots and automaton that can do simple cleaning, medical assisting, and several other office jobs..

Quite frankly you don't know what jobs will be automated first.

[deleted] · 2016-03-12T02:45:56+00:00

Has it ever occurred to you that men don't want to do these jobs?

If a man goes into healthcare he's more likely to become a doctor than a nurse.

If a man goes into law he's more likely to become a lawyer than a paralegal.

Etc...

The same is not true of women. For example, I talked to a girl who's brilliant and could certainly become a doctor but she's becoming a nurse instead. He reason when I asked: because I don't want to work that much or go to school that long.

When are we going to realize that women do not prioritize work as much as men? There are many men that I know who's career/business is their number one source of self-validation. I know of no women like this.

SunnyFoxes · 2016-03-15T11:49:29+00:00

My solution: Own the robots...

When robots become mass produced; I will buy some and make them work for me...

Robotization/Automatization is inevitable. It is inevitable because it makes sense, Humans are expensive, Robots are cheap. Profit equals Income minus Expenses.

SunnyFoxes · 2016-03-15T11:54:13+00:00

By the way, when robots become good enough, they will replace nurses, kindergarten teachers, teachers and even doctors.

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Title	Let's talk about automatization and gender roles in jobs
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Date	March 11, 2016 2:35 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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