Example: Thirsty Betas are artificially increasing SMV of Women

[deleted] · 2016-12-20T16:43:22+00:00

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Troll_Name · 2016-12-20T15:26:51+00:00

Example: Thirsty Betas are artificially increasing SMV of Women

This is what I've been saying for years, if not decades.

This is why Gatebox (AI virtual robot wife) is a good thing. This is why VR is a good thing, why increasingly enthralling videogames are a good thing, etc.

The problem was never women. The problem was always thirsty and gullible numales. Anything which contents them to cease participating will weaken the feminist empire.

mummersfarce_is_done · 2016-12-20T15:22:23+00:00

A real exception to the wall would be more like a 40 year old who is as attractive as a 20 year old (basically making the rule not apply at all). Not someone who is pushing it a bit further into her 30ies because of good genetics and/or nutrition. That's not an exception, that's just a person resisting the rule.

Talulah Riley looks good, but has already shows signs of aging. I mean she looks stunning, but her neotenous features have faded already. 20 year old riley > 31 year old riley.

Mosin_999 · 2016-12-20T21:00:18+00:00

Wow... she really looks the stereotypical feminist swamp donkey.

Thanks for proving everyone wrong and pretty much being a carbon copy of what everyone was imagining... really breaking the fucking mould.

PantsonFire1234 · 2016-12-20T17:10:44+00:00

Thirsty Betas are also a nice contrast to a man with High SMV who doesnt take shit from women and does as he pleases.

I am grateful to these pajama boys for highlighting all my hard work for me

RedditAdminsSuck_88 · 2016-12-20T17:08:42+00:00

The thing is, Talulah Riley might look good for a 31 year old, but the wall isn't meant to compare women with each other. The wall is meant to judge the condition of a woman.

I guarantee you Talulah Riley at 21 looked better than she does now at 31. Yes at 31 she may look better than women in their young-to-mid 20s, but the fact is, she has hit the wall and is on the decline.

A 2013 Porsche 911 may be a better car than a 2016 Chevy, but that doesn't mean that the 2013 Porsche 911 is past its prime and not as good as a 2016 Porsche 911. Same with women. Has the woman's looks begun to depreciate? If yes, she has hit the wall.

I think this is where women hamsters lose it. They think the wall is meant to compare women with each other, and because a woman at 33 still looks good, it means she hasn't hit the wall. WRONG. It just means that she has indeed hit the wall, however, the effects so far haven't been as damaging.

momosgarage · 2016-12-20T16:57:36+00:00

A while back I summed up what has happened to the broad North American SMP:

I predict grave cultural repercussions for the invention and mass adoption of "race to the bottom", digital dating and the current, over sensitized, female induced, mate screening trends

I'll clarify further.

The current batch of Millennial women are doomed and are actually, in a sort of "dead-woman-walking" scenario, that the general population and public health officials are completely unaware of. One day this situation will become a HUGE mental health crisis in the West and will cost billions in healthcare treatment, as government officials try to mitigate the fallout across ALL classes and income brackets

I noticed what I call a "nouveau-ho" trend developing a few years ago, for example, back in the 90's and prior, a female that had a "50+ notch count" was usually involved in a business where they could garner an unusual amount of attention, from higher status males, such as: stripper, model, stage entertainer or actress. Normal women, not performing those types of jobs, in those days, would have needed to constantly project their "availability" publicly, in order to garner a "50+ count". Most sane women, back then, did not do such because they would have been labeled a "slut" publicly, by their peers and family, so their "notch counts" were significantly lower as a result

So, what's changed in the last 15+ years? Due to social media, regular women, even ugly chicks, can now get the same volume of attention today, that ONLY a stripper, model or actress could have gotten in the pre-social media era (note, however, that the status of the males paying attention to these normal women is usually much lower as well)

In the 90's and prior, men had to put in a decent, but not a herculean, amount of effort to get laid, in general. So, for higher status males, pursuing ugly chicks was completely out of the question because that effort was better spent elsewhere (opportunity costs). But today, a high status male just needs to post a good Tinder profile and then waits for the "ugly chicks" to do all the work pursuing them instead. Essentially, the modern Alpha just sits back and "waits for the easy lays to roll in". Also, the digital world, allows these women to have somewhat better control over how much information is released about their "slut activities". At the end of the day, they can keep their "notch count" mostly a secret, by only seeing men that don't know each other, are not a part of their current circle of acquaintances, whom don't live in their localities and/or by "traveling the world" for sex tourism, etc

Back in the 90's and prior, not many men would have thought it was a good idea to marry a former stripper, stage entertainer, model or actress, nor do many men think so today either. However, none of the younger men today have fully realized that a majority of women available, under 35 years of age, are currently living lives that are not much different from a strippers life, back in the 90's and before. Its all disguised now because these women work in offices, at regular jobs and seem like normal people, on the surface, when in fact they are not because of the undue sexual attention that they are able to get via "social media"

The number of "high notch" women has exploded since 2008-2009, POST, the mainstream acceptance of smartphones and social media. Prior to that time, "high notch" women were typically limited to the abused, mentally ill, strippers and/or celebrities (i.e. Heidi Fleiss & Kim Kardashian types). Normal looking chicks, due to this now mainstream tech, have access to something that they did not have in previous decades, the focused attention, of large numbers, of thirsty men. In earlier times, that kind of attention was reserved for the best looking women only, particularly those that actually took the time to look good and put themselves out there, in public, in order to get noticed on a regular basis

The difference between today and the pre-smartphone/pre-social-media era, is that Ho-ing, used to be a LOT of HARD work. Women had to dress nice, flirt properly, going out of their way to find the best clubs, beaches, universities and bars, that they could actually get into, where higher status men hung out, etc. In contrast, today, average women simply get their phone out and wait for hits, choosing the men they like (and at the same time, NEVER learn how to gracefully turn away those men that they do not wish to interact with). When these "nouveau-ho's" meet up, with the "man-of-their-choice", the woman doesn't have to get dressed up, they give their selected men a hard time, shi*t testing both low and high status males and eventually still end up getting laid, without putting in any effort. If any woman had taken this route in the past, they would have been barred entry into the goods bars/clubs, ostracized from the various college party scenes and/or rebuked by their peers/family. In the past, "Ho-ing" was not for the timid, in the old "pre-smartphone world", that was based on face-to-face interactions, coupled with a REQUIRED penchant for good visual style and overt flirting, on the woman's part

"Ho-ing" is the EASIEST its ever been and the laziness of women is clearly shown, by how poorly they take care of their looks, yet still are able to find sex partners, whom in the past would have rejected them for better prospects (again, opportunity cost for the Alpha Males and even higher up Beta Males). Alphas typically aren't "thirsty", except now, they just aren't turning down "no effort lays". To my point, "no effort lays" in the pre-smartphone era required some effort on the part of the Alpha Male, so his time was better spent pursuing the best looking women he could get. This is no longer the situation today

Today those low grade women require almost nothing, in regard to effort, for the Chad's. So the Chad's are basically "taking a sip" from EVERY "public water fountain" that they walk by

The reason why I say, we will see a mental health crisis of untold magnitude, in the future, is because historically good looking, aging hoe's, could always pick up a Beta Bucks', even a good looking one. However, an average or ugly chick, with a high notch count, will most certainly not be so lucky and essentially will have a "Wine Coinsures" tastes buds, on a strictly "Beer Budget", perhaps even a "Water Budget" in some cases. Hence, no Beta or Gama that is willing to take them, will ever compare to the long line of Hot Chads that plowed through them via Tinder, OkCupid, etc.

I suspect that there is also a HUGE mental health crisis looming on the horizon for women that are currently aged 15-30. When the "Carousel Ride" ends for them, they will be far less capable of begrudgingly accepting a "Beta Bucks", for the sole purpose of securing a post-wall, survival position, in a stable nuclear family. I'd bet my house that suicide attempt rates for women, born in the early 1990's and thereafter, will skyrocket, when these single women hit their late 30's to early 40's, ALONE, due ENTIRELY to unmet, unreasonably high expectations

Also, the success of online dating sites has baffled me from the very beginning because you need BOTH men and women to believe they work. When these sites first came out, I wondered to myself, "how in the world does this process benefit any AVERAGE MAN using this new dating medium?" Note, I am assuming that most men, posting here, prefer to know in the first couple of minutes if they are wasting their time or not. In most cases that analysis can be done faster in person. Perhaps some of you somehow figure that out faster online, as opposed to doing it in person. I personally feel that finding positive hits online is much more time consuming and a sheer numbers game, as opposed to in person

Online dating is and always has been a "hamster wheel" for women, period. The BEST long term outcome would be for the number of males using these sites to drop off a cliff (the 80/20 rule, that we all know to be true, makes it impossible for the 80% to be successful at dating online). To a certain extent I believe that has already happened and is being kept a secret, to keep the gravy train rolling. Online dating has ALWAYS been geared toward the lowest common denominator, hence, we see all the "single mothers are great" articles posted on dating website sponsored blogs

For example, how many rejections does a man need to receive before he quits online dating cold turkey? 5, 50, 500, 5000? Note, I don't mean how a man gets back into online dating after one successful hook-up, or after a dry spell, I mean, how many continuous rejections are required, until they turn away from the method completely. We don't know what that number is, but OkCupid, Match.com, Tinder, etc CERTAINLY know what that number is and they are NEVER going to let the public know. If Ashley Madison had 5 million accounts with only 12,000 real women using the site, what is the REAL ratio of men to women using sites like Plenty of Fish, E-Harmony, Match.com etc.?

Since the "hamster" is easy to fool, I'd bet there are a LOT a male-bot profiles and male-sock-puppet accounts being managed by staff of the websites, in order to keep these women on the "hamster wheel". I can imagine these companies ALL have some kind protocol for dealing with female accounts that get no interest from real males, where the bot or employee run account sends them messages to keep them addicted to the chasing of "what-ifs". I'd wager they know the minimum number of message pings that will keep a woman on the site, even if they result in no face-to-face meetings. Note, I don't think these dating websites started out this way, but they have had a long time to monitor user behavior and most certainly know that female interest is the key to their survival, even though men may no longer be interested in participating in the online dating process

MrSnarf26 · 2016-12-20T17:01:27+00:00

uhh. Have you seen those celebrities without all the make up and dresses, the lighting and retouching? They look average as fuck. So many wannabe porn stars, cam girls look better than these hot 'celeb women'.

[deleted] · 2016-12-20T20:17:55+00:00

The reason why guys hit on girls that look like her (weird hair, piercings, probably tattoos) is that they are easy lays (attention seeking). She even has the 1000 cock stare.

modernform · 2016-12-20T17:50:45+00:00

In finance we call this the 'dead cat bounce'

MrSnarf26 · 2016-12-20T18:14:53+00:00

I've also noticed that thanks to Instagram filters mixed with skilled make up application, women are doing a much better job of making themselves appear young into their thirties- at least in photos. Back in my beta days I was chasing after some 32 year old mom that had these fantastic Facebook and Instagram selfies that to be quite honest looked pretty damn hot. However, seeing her wake up in the morning without make up or in person in general and suddenly that is absolutely shattered, she was a 5 maybe a 6 at best in person, but a 7 or 8 in photos. It was hard to believe the photos were her. Everyone of the popular Instagram-like filters softens skin, lightens skin tone, and blurs out wrinkles pretty well, while dulling the details. This mixed with the right angle can make some great pictures of some mediocre looking people. Then these pictures get 100+ likes from thirsty guys and viola- a 5 becomes an 8.

_Trigglypuff_ · 2016-12-20T18:15:15+00:00

Girls I know at about 24/25 are starting to hit the wall, their cheeks sag a bit and create that line where dimples normally would be. Why do you think anti-wrinkle cream is on of the biggest cosmetic sectors, and why all women in the adverts are 10/10 and with perfect skin. Women are terrified of the wall especially when it comes so soon than they were led to believe. Most women in their 30s just embrace the wrinkles as a fact, its the mid 20s chicks who are feared into parting with all their money.

Their eyes also sink a bit, bags appear more and their tits are probably feeling gravity.

Since women stop maturing beyond about 16 you can imaging what a solid decade of not looking after themselves does for them.

Trainwrecks.

[deleted] · 2016-12-20T16:13:42+00:00

She's just pretending to be humble bragging. You can't tell if it's real or imagery.

victurchen · 2016-12-20T20:24:52+00:00

At the same time, Betas artificially decrease the SMV of 9s and 10s because they don't even have the balls to talk to them.

FrgElder · 2016-12-20T23:47:21+00:00

Just because Talulah Riley is extremely hot at 31, doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer the 20 year old version of herself. Go look at pictures of her when she was younger, much more attractive than she is currently. Just because she is in the upper echelon of female attractiveness doesn't negate the fact that as women age they become less attractive and less desirable than the 20 year old versions of themselves. A 31 year old bomb shell being hotter than most 20 year olds doesn't negate that fact.

An ugly land whale at 20 will look like an even uglier land whale at 30. If she somehow manages to lose the weight and become attractive, she would still be less attractive than her potential attractiveness peak at 20 (if she was never a fatass to begin with).

Beta attention is in high supply, causing a temporary artificial raise in the demand for women. But the reality is that in the market there is a scarcity for high-value male attention. This cognitive disconnect that happens for women internally once they can no longer court the attention of high value males is what's known as "hitting the wall". Oddly enough this is when you see the outward cries of "I'm just as hot/valuable as my former self and by extension all new 20 year olds". The reason for this is their internal panic trying to rationalize that they still have value when having to face reality, it's simply an existencial crisis they are going through. You don't see 20 year old hotties that are just entering the sexual market openly talking about this crap, it's always the post wall hags who now have to deal with those 20 year olds as their new competition. They are simply attempting to differentiate themselves with marketing tactics in order to compete with the newly superior products continually entering the marketplace.

It's all just sexual strategy. It's not that these 3's/4's actually believe they are high value, they are simply driving up the price in order to appeal that way, but in reality have no bargaining power. It's all a bluff. Beta's fall for it, "enlightened beta's" argue about it, high-value males just laugh and ignore them while they find another hot 20 year old piece of ass.

Five_Decades · 2016-12-20T19:21:47+00:00

This is why Internet dating is a giant mistake. It lets elite SMV men get laid, but it artificially inflates women's perception of their own SMV.

HumanSockPuppet · 2016-12-20T21:04:13+00:00

As a man's quality of life improves and his enslavement to his own sex drive decreases, he becomes much more discerning about a woman's personality. He realizes that good social grooming is far more valuable that physical grooming, and that a woman can remain attractive and arousing to him if she maintains a feminine animus.

I personally find myself more inclined to continue a relationship with an older and more feminine woman than with a young, tiresomely masculine one.

whatdidweknow · 2016-12-21T06:06:18+00:00

Holy hell, this is the most alpha thread I've ever seen in my life. Nothing screams Chad quite like "I stalk and obsess over Internet strangers who disagree with me."

Good show, boys. Keep it up.

Equada · 2016-12-20T18:37:26+00:00

BP's are not "artificially" raising anyone's SMV.

Every time I see one of these style posts, I see an attitude of anger over perceived revenge denied, that this woman (or similar) have the BP hordes orbiting and as such denying the revenge of her "suffering" her post-wall fate. The problem with that is it's unhealthy, and completely misses what's actually happening.

Once again, the BP's are not artificially raising her or anyone's SMV. What's actually happening is her SMV has dropped to the point of being "affordable" to the BP's.

Put it in context of a $10,000 Rolex. High and Low earners alike both want the watch, but only the truly high earners can afford it. Then, something happens, and the price of the watch drops to $250. All of a sudden, hordes of low earners can afford the watch and line up to get it. Even though the number of people that are willing to buy it has increased dramatically, this doesn't actually increase the value of the watch. The guy that could afford it before no longer cares, the Rolex is now below him, and he moves on to another luxury brand worthy of his money and attention. As far as he's concerned, the masses can have his cast-off Rolex, he's not angry, just simply writes it off as a has-been brand.

The same is happening here. Her value has decreased (assuming it was ever high) and the guys that wanted her pre-wall simply just don't think about her any more. The guys that get upset she's getting attention from all the soft-bodied BP's are usually the guys that were turned down by her in the past and now that her SMV has dropped, are pissed they have to compete against other BP's vs. losing out to "Chad".

Purecorrupt · 2016-12-20T19:27:20+00:00

Off-topic - While I would totally be down to bang that Riley chick referenced I get the FAS vibe from her face. Her eyes look a little far apart.

Kfcpotatowedge666 · 2016-12-21T02:33:50+00:00

this post is fucking retarded

[deleted] · 2016-12-20T20:28:41+00:00

There is no artificial inflation of value in an open market, just a glut of fools who make bad choices.

Fast food isnt "artificially" more valuable because people who make bad choices like it. It just has a value in conflict with your (hopefully) perceived value of it.

[deleted] · 2016-12-20T20:54:57+00:00

Leave it to a woman to not use logic.

30 is not the wall! 30 is an age at which most women HIT the wall! The wall can be 40, even, for women who keep up themselves by eating healthy and working out, getting sun, being a good person etc. Some women stay attractive after or at 30 bc they haven't hit the wall yet by keeping off the inevitable. Lol but you know they're close

RedMoonAscendant · 2016-12-20T18:02:18+00:00

Am I living in Evil Star Trek universe or something? I read the comments how everyone goes on about this Talulip bitch being the hottest girl looking better than 21-yr olds. Finally I decide to click.

I see a fat woman wearing a bulky sweatshirt to hide her fatness, and she hasn't brushed her hair in weeks. She's wearing a clown's worth of makeup to hide the problems with her face, so she "looks good" in that department, but I'm older than 16 so I already know that trick.

She looks like a homeless bitch. You guys go for this?

ChrisBenRoy · 2016-12-20T18:52:06+00:00

I'm not one of those guys on the internet who say just about every girl is not attractive, in fact I'm quite the opposite, I'm not that picky at all really. But I honestly do not find that girl you link from Instagram attractive at all.

[deleted] · 2016-12-20T15:41:51+00:00

Wow, she looks exactly like I thought a blooper would..

PantsonFire1234 · 2016-12-20T19:41:27+00:00

she has posted picture of herself, and they could not be more stereotypically post-wall-feminist-ish (Pictures )

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This woman has to be kidding right? I've rejected girls hotter than her. What the fuck is this shit OP. Those retarded glasses, the fucked up hair cut, the weird anime green dye, alternative piercings, facial symmetry and structure I've not seen before. And we haven't even seen her body yet. What the fuck, she it looks like she actually tried to make herself look uglier. Does anyone have her reddit account name? The roll in me wants to wake up..

[deleted] · 2016-12-20T20:18:53+00:00

Not to get too heavy here, but I think a big part of this dynamic has to do with the distribution of the range of men in terms of overall value.

If we simplify things and use a 1-10 ranking system for men, I don't think it's the case that there are an equal number of 1s, 2s, 3s, 4s, etc. That is, if you were an 8, that doesn't mean that you're only better than 80 percent of men and that 20 percent are better than you. If you're an 8, then you're easily in the top 5 percent.

Related to this is that I've seen a study posted before (too lazy to find the link) that what women ranked as a 5-6 was really closer to the 80-85 percentile mark for men. This is illustrating the exact same thing.

Returnofthemack3 · 2016-12-20T20:35:02+00:00

Yeah, I mean some women have great genetics and provided they take care of themselves, can look pretty good, even into their 40s and 50s sometimes. Celebrities almost dont count, because they have access to well, everything, including but not limited to plastic surgery. So they're usually gonna have a leg up in the looks department

Redpillgawd · 2016-12-20T21:08:17+00:00

Don't worry once you become redpill most womens smv is around the same.

Fedor_Gavnyukov · 2016-12-20T21:27:56+00:00

it's like that with fat chicks. it's disgusting. I see it everyday. some poor schmuck hits on these broads and they automatically think they can act like entitled cunts to everyone like their shit don't stink. I hear these conversations constantly between these women that they should be getting dicked by gorgeous in shape dudes because they're real women and have meat on their bones. yea, they'd not meat, that's absurd amounts of lard.

Wollingwight · 2016-12-21T00:34:00+00:00

This is true, but birth controls Pill and hookup culture created a decrease in value of sex. So this is just the world reaching equallibreum and the betas are not actual potential mates for for most high value women so it's kind of a zero sum game if you are active and have success with women.

Luckyluke23 · 2016-12-21T01:54:43+00:00

why does every one of these women ALWAYS have neon hair, it's like the biggest sign to stay away.

Falkner1992 · 2016-12-20T17:28:41+00:00

You can laugh, but that girl has more SMV in her pinkie finger in her 30s, than most of us will have at any point in our lives.

newName543456 · 2016-12-20T19:56:52+00:00

That other sub is a salt mine in disguise.

Toussant · 2016-12-20T23:59:32+00:00

There was some online dating site that released data of guys of all ages finding early 20's women the most attractive, as measured by messaging activity. Thus, I've found that those women are swarmed practically irregardless of their looks, if not too obese. For example, I met a chick with an ok body but a freckle and zit-ridden face who had stories of guys married and single trying to hook up with her in public bathrooms.

Depending on where you live, this could be all women who aren't yet middle-aged. Have to be that sperm that emerges from the crowd.

bhouse114 · 2016-12-21T00:14:11+00:00

Betas don't matter. While she may get the validation and attention from betas she is still staved dir alpha attention. And an analogs will put her right where she belongs. You can try to pretend to be so hot and have confidence. Until you meet your equal or superior

mikazee · 2016-12-21T00:48:52+00:00

Do they really not realize that "the wall" isn't hard set at 30. "The wall" is when you pass your physical prime as a woman and start becoming less attractive.

vengefully_yours · 2016-12-21T00:50:18+00:00

Do you actually want a fat nasty bufforilla like that? If not who gives a fuck what the desperate fuckwits that will hit on her do. They're not in my league, that bitch had zero chance with me, and most desperate losers are afraid to even talk to girls I want to fuck.

If I wasn't too go hoggin all I have to do is neg them a bit, put them in their place, and the pussy gets wet. If anything the losers make it easier for me.

EveryNuance · 2016-12-21T02:01:36+00:00

She looked good in Westworld too..

Attentive1 · 2016-12-21T02:29:25+00:00

Is that Mimi from the Drew Carrie show? 😂

TheNoncaringMurse · 2016-12-21T02:35:52+00:00

Talulah Riley is not stunning, what happened to her ass, oh yeah she doesn't have one. She's a waif.

JohnIan101 · 2016-12-21T03:55:00+00:00

I call it the "Cameron Diaz Effect".

There was a point when it was accurate, she was hot.

But she continues to be propped up as the same market value when - she's not. Wishful dreaming.

As for Talulah Riley, she's an attractive woman. Not in the top tier of sexy. But still attractive.

And when you compare her to other women who demand 'fat' acceptance...

You get the idea.

iamneptuno · 2016-12-21T08:20:53+00:00

Oh fuck me, of course it's green to the hair.

FRedington · 2016-12-21T21:29:12+00:00

Some men will fuck anything that moves.

lmaotitle · 2016-12-20T17:15:24+00:00

The men on here only want one type of woman: slender, young, virgin, slender, and introverted. And slender. Oh, and white or Asian. Not fat, not out of her teens, no prior lovers or boyfriends, and not fat. Likes playing video games and reading/watching anime, dislikes partying. Did I mention she must be thin too?

You retards are hypocrites.

Title	Example: Thirsty Betas are artificially increasing SMV of Women
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Date	December 20, 2016 2:48 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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