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[–]Peter_Principle_ 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't know what feminists you speak with, but
These feminists.
[–]JayBopara 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice list of real-world feminists and the misandric policies they have enacted.
[–]crashing 90 points91 points92 points 12 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
Picking fights with random feminists on Facebook is not a productive way to stand up for men's rights, nor is it a productive way to raise awareness for actual plight.
The picture is effective, and the message is sound. The childish bickering detracts from the message.
[–]shinarit 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
While i agree with everything you wrote here, i can't go away without words. The ending message of the feminist, finishing with patriarchy and oppression... even if it was not productive and pointless, damn if it wasn't satisfying. That blabbering of the buzzwords...
[–]bsutansalt 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Sure it is. You're not arguing to change her mind, you're arguing so any 3rd parties reading the exchange can get exposed to our point of view for a change.
[–]xNOM 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
... Someone finally understands...
[–]Pecanpig 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He is The One.
[–]ArguablyTasty 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In which case the sarcasm, generalization and childishness in the argument from OPs side will lessen the number of people who take his comments seriously
[–]tjmburns 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know it's not productive but it can be a lot of fun on occasion. It can also help weed out the bigots that can find their way into your friends list under the radar.
[–]Lurker_IV 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree. Facebook isn't the place for those pictures. What do you think about taking those posters to the real world and putting them up in some public places such as buses and subways? You know, the same places all those "Don't Be That GUY" posters appear.
[–]SammichHeist[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And why do you assume I don't?
[–]SammichHeist[S] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
That's one way of seeing it. The way I see it is the calm, nice, well toned message from the MHRM that has been softly spoken since the 1970s has fallen on deaf ears, has been ignored.
It's only very recently that we started getting obnoxious and "in your face" that people have started paying attention. It only detracts from the message for people who don't want to hear the message in the first place and are looking for an excuse, which they will find to dismiss our arguments no matter what.
[–]kronox 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I actually agree with this for once. It's about time we stop dodging the non-pc topics and start actually addressing the issues.
[–]MrStinky 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women post feminist shit on their walls all day and nobody says a damn thing. But the moment you post something male friendly... the whole world blows up
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's only very recently that we started getting obnoxious and "in your face" that people have started paying attention.
Nope, not at all. I've been subscribed since the numbers here were a tiny fraction of what they are now, and at that time there was genuine concern about how to get taken seriously. The mods and community have always encouraged reasoned, civil discussion over petty name calling, and it has worked very well.
You will never change anybody's mind (and that importantly includes others viewing the conversation) by hurling insults.
[–]SammichHeist[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You were subscribed since the 1970s?
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[–]TheGDBatman 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
And no worse way than trying to placate the vagina-worshipers like a good little packhorse!
[–]double-happiness -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You don't have to placate anybody to get your point across.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance
Op's ad hominems will do nothing but give the other person in this exchange an excuse to write the MRM off completely. You simply can't educate people whilst insulting them.
You are a religious zealot [...] You need to start reading up...
Not going to happen is it?
[–]TheGDBatman 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Well, it worked for feminism.
[–]SammichHeist[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yes, it sure did, and while those Feminists were being loud, obnoxious and even violent (I do not approve of violence), the MRM for 40 years has been nice and polite and getting absolutely nowhere.
To the point where Feminism is the only voice being heard, and innocent men get grinded to pieces by the system while being ignored.
[–]TheGDBatman 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Exactly my point. If we want to be heard, we have to stop playing nice.
[–]Darkenmal 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
... AND MY AXE!
Too soon?
no, that's good timing. how else are you gonna get the girls? http://leahmarin.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/axe_body_spray_0.jpg
The idea isn't to educate the Zealot in question but to expose her bigotry and general stupidity to 3rd parties.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
So... calling her a "special snowflake princess" really got your point across?
You really didn't argue your point beyond acting childish.
You should've posted the image and let her act like the child... take the high road and shut your mouth. THEN this image would be admirable. As it stands, you through around rhetoric and whining opinions without a single fact provided to back it up.
You are as bad as they are.
[–]agiganticpanda 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Speaking intelligently and in a calm respectful manner is how you get a point across. Once and conversation devolves into insults, nobody is going to change their mind.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Then why bother continuing?
[–]agiganticpanda 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why do people continue? Ego? Feeling insulted? They like to watch people flail about? I'm guilty of it at times with people who obviously wouldn't change their minds with evidence right on front of them.
A couple of times I've had people separately talk about the discussion later and say how they agreed with me. I guess being able to change the minds of observers is a reason to engage those who won't have their minds changed.
It also strengthens my resolve or change my viewpoint or make my argument better for future discussions as long as I stay in the right by not devolving into insults.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
engage those who won't have their minds changed.
I don't think acting smug and throwing insults/rhetoric without any proof can be considered "engaging" in any useful sense of the word.
But hey, more power to you if you'd like to waste time arguing with idiots.
[–]agiganticpanda 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Uh, I'm not the same person you started with. I think you didn't read the whole comment. I don't think insulting the other person is a good idea, although continued discussion in the face of such abuse on a public forum can change the minds of observers.
[–]VolumeZero -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Upvoted comment for visibility. Downvoted OP for incorrect subreddit.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Everything that I could find said that women and men shoplift equally. So could someone give me a source please!?
even tho male shoppers and female shoppers shoplift equally, there being more female shoppers means there are more female shoplifters. Besides, the point is not statistical accuracy, just like the false sexual assault statistics used in the "don't be that guy" posters, in reality sexual assaut happens at the same rate for both men and women, and same number of perpetrators as well. It does not preclude the governements, educational institutions, and sexual assault organisation from painting a completely false picture.
The point is to show a swapped-gender version of their bigotery. If this poster is wrong, then their poster is wrong too. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.
[–]theQuandary 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I see two raging zealots.
You need to keep calm and speak politely, but unyieldingly. Avoid personal attacks and force the discussion to stick to the facts. Outside observers will be much more receptive to this kind of demeanor.
[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He did stick to the facts. Fact: rape culture is a mass hallucination. His image would not exist were it not for the "don't be that guy" crap.
[–]warspite88 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
the message is pretty good keep it up however i would avoid the emotionally charged name calling as it doesnt help your image, your message or welcome those who are on the fense.
put your message out, state the facts, challenge responses (no matter how asshole they are) with facts that either shut them up or make them post more angry rhetoric which shows that they are desperate and you are not.
proof and facts are on anti feminist mens rights side. feminism may have had some good intentions long ago but has become one of the most profound hate movements in history over the past 50 years. its easy to get the facts, its all over, use them to fight feminism and get more support for a true equal society.
[–]anonlymouse 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Any source on shoplifting stats by gender?
[–]SammichHeist[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
None more than the bogus sexual assault statistics they use for their anti-rape campaigns. If you look at shoplifting in drug stores and cosmetics then its mostly women, just like how feminists narrow things down until they get the statistical picture they are looking for, or just make shit up.
The point is show a mirror image of their "don't be that guy" poster campaign. Sexual assault has an equal number of female:male victims and female:male perpetrators.
The ones on child abuse however has plenty of statistics to back it up on the net.
[–]double-happiness 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
AFAIK it's going to be difficult to determine in most places because most countries / states don't have a specific law against shoplifting but rather general laws against theft. This 1983 US study found that the typical shoplifter was 'disproportionately young and female', however this article reports that a large study published in The American Journal of Psychiatry in 2008 found that men shoplifted more than women.
[–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Somewhat less suitable then. Of course given the stats that show women rape at the same level as men having conflicting stats doesn't negate the point, but it is less effective on those who have short attention spans.
[–]Big_Tubbz 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Any links to the actual photo? It looks nice and raises a good point.
[–]thisisnotatoaster 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yeah i appreciate this post, but not for readily apparent reasons. you've shed light on the fact that you have the same vengeful spirit as the feminists you claim to be irritating.
and i definitely am on board with not demonizing good men who did nothing wrong and aren't assholes.... but think about the statement in that picture.. "Sucks to have your gender demonized doesn't it?" Actually yes, yes it does - and i think women would know just as much about that feeling, if not slightly more as they've been wrestling with being demonized, dismissed and demeaned for quite a long time. vengeful attitudes aren't the solution, because then men who are good get caught up in crossfire who shouldn't. (same goes for women, no one gender should be demonized. period.) i mean i can spew out all the obvious statements in a sarcastic and inflammatory manner too...
Most women aren't whores. Most women are stronger than you think. Most women aren't inherently stupid. Most women are worth more than sex toys and maids. Most women think father figures are just as important. Most women are good.
See how easily that can be flipped around? but that still doesn't solve much.
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[–]DarkMaskElite -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Construct more pylons :)
You need more minerals!
[–]I_fight_demons 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
If you could stop being a grade A tool on Facebook, that'd be really good for the MRM as a whole. Leave the internet fights to the pre-teens and learn how to advocate a message in an inclusive way and you might find you have greater effect. The A Voice for Men style acrid rhetoric to get attention is a horrible and backwards long-term tactic.
Have you ever wondered why some people label the MRM a hate group? That'd be this kind of thing.
[–]Baulan 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly what I was about to say. It's okay to point out sexism and such but being a dickbag doesn't help at all.
[–]Ara854 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is the right idea. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar.
[–]SammichHeist[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Actually, fruit flies will happily rush to drown in vinegar, and if you want to catch regular flies, shit and garbage is what you need, not honey.
So, I guess the analogy works in my favor :P somewhat. Hahahaha
[–]Ara854 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ha, I never knew that! Well, you know what I meant. xD
[–]PortalesoONR 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
this shit was funny. why all the hate to op.
Because a lot of people think that being quiet like the MRM has been for the last 40 years is going to work. What's that saying about trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
The MRM has been around since the 1970s, all nice and polite and NOTHING has improved, while the feminists have been loudly man-bashing, lying, spreading hateful propaganda, false statistics, and very successfully affecting governement policies to the point where we ended up in this giant dungpile.
Being nice and polite has failed for the last 40 years.
We need people who will expose feminism's bigotery for what it is by reversing the genders.
Feminism's message is basically "shut up, back of the bus nigg men!" I'm exposing it for what it is.
Others can go and be polite and be the reasonable people. I am indeed playing the attention whore, the "slut walker", bringing attention to the cause and starting dialogue.
Plus having a good laugh at the same time.
You just have to do the same as Feminists do: "Not all MRAs are like that" it has worked for them marvelously, and it seem to be working VERY WELL for us, regardless of what other arm-chair MRAs say.
Like it or not, it's working.
[–]theboiledpeanuts 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
women earn less so they have to steal more
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[–]armadillo_armageddon 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stealing = shoplifting + power
It's only stealing when teh menz do it.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Sarcasm, right?
[–]theboiledpeanuts 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
for which part?
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This one.
[–]theboiledpeanuts -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was sarcastic about the stealing part.
[–]Your_Bacon_Counselor -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I died. Dead now. decomposing..
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Dude what the fuck are you doing? This is not how I would want MR to be represented. The pic puts MR in a bad light, its an attack add, not one of equality.
Have you seen the "don't be that guy" posters?
This is the same thing but with the female sex. If they have a problem with this poster, tell them to stop with their "don't be that guy" poster campaign and the white ribbon crap and other misandric BS.
Until then, if they are morally right with those posters, I am too. Two can play this game.
Original Feminist Bullshit: http://www.theviolencestopshere.ca/dbtg.php
[–]JJTheJetPlane5657 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Is this your own image? If so, I'd like to post it on my Facebook wall too if you could send the file my way =]
[–]Pecanpig 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I...I could actually see that poster being reasonably effective in malls and such.
[–]CaptainChewbacca 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What does 'removal of demise' mean?
[–]SammichHeist[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I think she meant my removal from society, and/or my demise.
Now, does this means my incarceration or my death, I don't know. Either way, she did not wish me well.
[–]Planner_Hammish 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My first thought when seeing that was "yeah, don't put your man's balls in your purse!"
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You both seem like terrible people.
[–]bednarowski 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Whether you make good point or not, insulting anyone loses your credibility.
And you know what, its all good by me, I'm fine with this.
You go and talk reasonably in public now that we've got people's attention. Go be the nice calm voice. Seriously, no sarcasm.
[–]Armageist 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fucking Awesome.
[–]veyron1001 -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a fact
Source: I worked retail. No woman needs a hand bag the size of a kindergarteners backpack.
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