Has Men's Rights been taken over by feminists? This is a men's forum, but the downvoting of posts that question feminist double standards, feminist theory or propaganda is very consistent.

2010-08-02T03:56:13+00:00

This sort of thing happens all over Reddit, it has nothing to do with gender equality. Whether it is r/Atheism being taken over by Christian apologists or r/Progressive being spammed by conservatives, it's just something that happens. Deal with it.

blargh9001 · 2010-08-01T08:53:29+00:00

might be nitpicking here, but I object to calling it a 'men's forum'... for it to be constructive women have to be included in the discussion, the same applies if you reverse the genders.

Link255 · 2010-08-01T11:47:51+00:00

I see a large amount of comments down voted because they are ignorantly pro-men or anti-women when it's not called for, are you thinking of those?

stemgang · 2010-08-01T16:29:14+00:00

The main problem with /MR/ is silent downvoters' viewpoint discrimination.

Very few people will argue a point with you. Instead, they merely downvote opinions they disagree with.

Most notably, any posts critical of feminism get downvoted.

Gareth321 · 2010-08-01T01:14:02+00:00

Make no mistake, the male image has been under attack by feminists for a very long time and that comment points it out.

Leprecon · 2010-08-01T10:01:55+00:00

Though many will find the idea laughable, I consider myself both a MRA and a feminist. I don't consider the two to be mutually exclusive. It is undeniable that in many parts of the world women are treated as lesser beings (I'm looking at you, Middle East) This has led to the belief that women are always the ones being discriminated against, which is again far from the truth. (Yes Europe and America, this one is for you)

Sometimes I downvote things I find inappropriate here and sometimes I upvote (or submit) stuff here.

In your title you say this is a men's forum, which I disagree with. Including women in our movement would be great and is almost necessary with the accusations of misogyny. (and there are women who genuinely support the cause) You also say that this subreddit has been taken over by feminists, which I disagree with. MRA's scour the feminism and 2x subreddit the same way that feminists look here to downvote. (don't pretend it is one sided, we all know it isn't) Downvotes never hurt anyone.

How about we do this: instead of whining about feminism downvote squads, post a link to the comment you think deserves upvotes or attention and say something like "This guy make an excellent point about X"

blargh9001 · 2010-08-01T09:12:04+00:00

I just read the thread you linked and it seems to me you're just whining about that people disagree with your particular opinion. I found it a genuinly interesting discussion, but I don't see that it's obvious that I as a male should take any particular stance. I don't think it's fair that you ascribe all the downvotes to rabid anti-man feminists. maybe you just have to clarify what downvotes you're referring to?

2010-08-01T10:08:40+00:00

The answer is yes. Harmless comments by mras get downvoted all the time almost as if they havent even been read, and i dont know if theres an answer for this except maybe that everyone should read the articles and ignore the rigged conversation

ristin · 2010-08-01T07:57:48+00:00

Yes, there's a very active group of man-haters downvoting pro-equality stories here. But that's nothing new.

likeawoman · 2010-08-01T19:50:49+00:00

both the basic premise of that post and the comment are completely unfounded in feminism or, for that matter, reality.

here's a tip. gender and sexuality are in two entirely different parts of your brain, so the idea that one is primarily nature and one is primarily nurture is IN NO WAY mutually exclusive. they're not synonymous at all. the idea that there are biological foundations for homosexuality are founded in good science and show that sexual orientation is housed in the "old brain" and can be impacted by a number of biological factors, some of which are unknown, some of which are genetic and some of which are developmental. you can't just conflate that with the much more complex issue of gender [expression], to try to make a larger statement about liberalism or feminism in general. it just doesn't work.

as far as feminists claiming that "innate" feminine characteristics are positive and "innate" male characteristic are negative, that just comes off as bunk. sure, some feminists, particularly those of the first [suffragette] wave have tried to play up the idea of the virtues of femininity (this kind of "positive" sexism got us the vote... and sadly, prohibition). that said, I don't know a whole lot of contemporary feminists who buy that stuff, with the exception of your occasional moon goddess type. academic feminism, sociologically based feminism, social justice feminism in my experience is of the mind that there aren't really innate feminine/masculine traits. of course, there are exceptions, but I wouldn't want to make an MRA cry by pointing out that... wait for it... NOT ALL FEMINISTS THINK THE SAME THINGS.

so maybe, in the case of that post, the problem isn't feminists conspiring to downvote, but people who understand the building consensus etiology/[ies] of homosexuality and/or gender and don't get what the hell the OP or the commentor are on about. surely knowing what you're talking about isn't mutually exclusive to MRA.

kloo2yoo · 2010-08-01T03:08:47+00:00

there's a meta for that.

there are trolls here. there are downvote brigades. if that's news to you, read the faq, because you must be new here.

corpseflower · 2010-08-01T07:19:08+00:00

Well, DUH.

We have spoken to Iggy and kloo, and they have opted to not try to modify anyone's behavior in any way, even if that behavior damages the functioning of the subreddit.

So yes, this forum has been overrun by women DESPERATELY trying to ensure that our ideas are not expressed. One method is by downvoting, thus ensuring that any non-feminist statement is expensive on the karma balance. The other, and more subtle method is dialog poisoning, which is the use of deliberate misunderstandings, straw men, and idea dilution to prevent any useful idea from being seriously discussed.

Thats why we made /malestudies. It is modded so that, if you troll long enough and hard enough, you actuallyget kicked out.

menareangrynow · 2010-08-01T16:56:47+00:00

[permanently deleted]

ch4os1337 · 2010-08-01T15:53:25+00:00

Feminists lie, cheat, and steal from men, women, and children for their own benefit.

They are anything but egalitarian.

An old quotation from my pal schopenbecq:

This is an example of why I referred to the Myth of Sex Trafficking as an act of premeditated violence against men.

It's not just the false accusations - of which there are thousands each day leading to countless poor unfortunate men like this guy. It's also the false sexual offences that feminists are adding to each week, such as laws criminilizing men for paying for sex with prostitutes or for looking at cartoon pictures - all justified by lies, emotional blackmail, and distorted statistics.

And it's not just the 'feminist' politicians or media commentators who are responsible for these laws and ultimately thousands of innocent men being up beaten and raped in prison. It's the MAJORITY of ordinary women who franchise the feminists power.

And this is why I cannot understand the arseholes here who waste so much time trying to 'root out the mysoginists'. Sorry, but women are doing bad, bad things to men, and if they hear the occasional bad word being said against them on reddit/mensrights, poor didums I say.

ristin on how feminism is sexism:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Equality/comments/aq2ts/im_a_staunch_feminist_but_my_god_look_at_what/c0iw9ny

The gender equality movement is interested in achieving gender equality.

The feminist movement is only interested in female rights and the status of females in society. If the objective were equal rights, there would be no problem. As we have seen repeatedly, this involves granting superior rights and legal privileges to females and inferior rights to males. Hence the problem.

In essence, it's like trying to claim that there is no difference between Martin Luther King and the KKK. But the KKK are not working towards equality, they are interested only in the rights and status of one race.

And as such your analogy is actually an insult to gender equality advocates such as myself. I am all for gender equality, but oppose sexism against women and sexism against men with equal zeal.

More from schop:

The fact that the patronage of female readers is so important to a modern newspaper that the editor HAS to be either female or a mangina illustrates perfectly the battle we are facing and also highlights the FALSE DISTINCTION that MRAs still make between feminazis, feminists, and the female population itself (when addressing points of ‘who the enemy is’, or who should we be holding responsible for our misandristic society).

Feminists only have power to inflict harm and misandry upon society and upon men because the vast majority of women readily grant them that power.

Worth pondering the next time the subject of ‘misogyny’ comes up in a men’s rights

Feminism is pro-rape (from an anonymous poster at the FRS):

"Fourthly, we need to stress that feminism is pro-rape. By refusing to recognize and oppose false accusations of rape, feminists take law enforcement and judicial resources away from real victims and put communities at risk. By defending false accusations, feminists undermine the credibility of all women. By elevating false accusers, they shame and silence actual victims. By telling women that they will not be believed and supported by the authorities, feminists discourage real victims from coming forward, allowing their assailants to commit more rape.

Yes, feminism is pro-rape. As paradoxical as that might seem, once one realizes that feminists want to vilify all men as a group, and have little concern for the welfare of individual women, it becomes obvious that not only increasing the perception of rape (by producing bogus statistics, expanding definitions, etc.) but increasing actual rape works towards that end."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqSASu1Qqrg&feature=related Jupiterconjunct:

You blame men for every problem and want to take away their basic human rights.

Throughout history there have been people like you. Nazis blamed every problem on Jews. The IRA blamed Protestants. Serbian blamed Croatians. The KKK blamed blacks. etc.

In each generation there have been hate groups to fight and defeat. In our generation, that hate group is radical feminists.

You hate mongers are like a broken record keeps spinning, until someone throws it into the garbage can.

Okay, I grow weary of combing through old comments for examples of why feminism is misandry, although I've got plenty more.

How about these links?

The Truth About Feminism

Feminism Exposed

Feminism FAQ

2010-08-01T11:03:17+00:00

That's funny, from what I can tell Men's Rights upvotes several over dramatic arguments for how men are being terribly opressed every day.

numb3rb0y · 2010-08-01T06:41:06+00:00

[permanently deleted]

Maschalismos · 2010-08-01T19:02:40+00:00

One of the main reasons I lost interest in reading/posting on the MR's reddit is that people here are much more interested in threads like this than actual MR's issues.

Boo fucking hoo your comment has a downvote, must be the evil feminists taking over your reddit - time to make a post about it! The 4th one this week!

This reddit would be much more useful if there wasn't so much worry about downvotes or how many "feminists" are currently lurking. Should change the name of this subreddit from "Men's Rights" to "Endless prattling about who's a troll, who's not, and how many feminists are downvoting" ---- it would be a Much more accurate name.

HIB0U · 2010-08-01T13:00:38+00:00

If you really want to make a difference in this area, don't waste your time on reddit. Don't waste your time upvoting and downvoting and then bitching when somebody else upvotes and downvotes in a direction you don't like.

Go organize protests out in the real world. Contact politicians with real letters. Create real petitions and get them signed. Do something constructive.

fishwish · 2010-08-01T01:21:46+00:00

That comment had a net 20 positive upvotes? What's your problem?

littlebabypoopydick · 2010-08-01T09:12:16+00:00

Disagree with MensRights?! FEMINISTS. FEMINISTS EVERYWHERE.

drinkingclub · 2010-08-01T12:11:44+00:00

I doubt it. Look at my negative karma. When did men become such whiners? Men's rights has not been taken over by feminists,i has been taken over by whiners. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper?

kasumi1190 · 2010-08-01T19:39:31+00:00

You guys know some really stupid women don't you? I think mens rights/feminism are both bs. The people who abuse the law, are ass holes, are fucking retarded, they are in both gender, including transgendered. There's horrible people every where and it has nothing to do with men's/women's rights. I'm a female and I hate feminists and men's rights idiots, most of the issues in here I've seen is just a simple case of dumb people being dumb people. Put your energy towards more important things like gay rights, the bs of the war on drugs, illegal immigration, etc etc.. You're not gonna get anywhere in this world being a white male complaining about how your being fucked over, because no one's gonna listen and you're just gonna look like a entitled pretentious ass hole.

MariaAntonia · 2010-08-02T12:17:33+00:00

considering the number, and the clout of feminists, it is actually encouraging to see that comments here don't get buried under 500 feminist downvotes against 10 men's right upvoters.

I reserve the right to downvote feminist themes, too. So occasional visits here are by feminists are ok. Maybe some feminists actually learn the truth when reading here!?

Title	Has Men's Rights been taken over by feminists? This is a men's forum, but the downvoting of posts that question feminist double standards, feminist theory or propaganda is very consistent.
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	96
Comments	111
Date	August 1, 2010 12:50 AM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/cvz2e/has_mens_rights_been_taken_over_by_feminists_this/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/has-mens-rights-been-taken-over-by-feminists-this.1048350 https://theredarchive.com/post/1048350

Comments